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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:46 PM
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CIA defections/firings: Will they lead to repression or impeachment?
Certainly the CIA has the goods on Bushco, and the good guys (who'd have thunk there were any good guys in CIA in the 60's?) are leaving in droves. Does this mean exposure of the crimes of the last four years or a tightening of the noose on dissenters, or should I say patriots?

I'm a bit nervous about what's going on in the CIA. especially with the 911 commission's directive to consolidate intelligence and Gonzolaz replacing Ashcroft. This is scary stuff, but if the outgoing CIA talks we could bring the Bush agenda down. Personally I'm too cynical to think that this will come to a good end.
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:48 PM
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1. Repression of Impeachment!!!
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Skarbrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:57 PM
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5. No one in this administration will be found guilty of anything.

There is already so much out there. It appears that * and his goons will get away with everything, including taking the country down the toilet.

There will be a lot of noise and I don't mean to suggest that we shouldn't keep trying to go after the "Untouchables", I've just the gut feeling that they control too much.

eh
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:53 PM
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2. Not immediately. Neither did Watergate.
But this administration is so filthy, so utterly, completely dirty....

It's a smorgasbord of corruption. It's just hard to know what will finally cause sufficient indigestion.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:04 PM
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8. Watergate comparisons don't wash. Nixon had strong Dem majorities
in the House and Senate throughout his First and Second incomplete term.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:56 PM
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3. I vote for IMPEACHMENT! NOW!
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:57 PM
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4. I want to know WHERE is the CIA 9-11 Report
The one that "names names", and was suppressed until "after the election"!!!!

Not a freakin peep about it from the media since election.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:59 PM
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6. They will lead to the consolidation of Bu$h's American Gestapo/KGB.
The FBI has already been quietly purged.

Only neocon republican loyalists will be permitted in intelligence.

God Help America.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:02 PM
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7. There are a large group of people who have got Bush's back. Some
wealthy people -mainly new money, come to his rescue to sweep things under the rug when - economic news gets bad or looks unfavorable. Count Fed chairman Greenspan as a Bush ally. On the intelligence front- he has allies among the strident pro Israel forces in the intellgence community see Woolsey and others some are in CIA now some are out. Don't forget that Poppy Bush was a CIA guy- as in head of of the CIA, so there are many allies that will cover his ass all the way to falling on a sword for him- we have already seen it. Don't bet on impeachment. Even if Dems, by a miracle of some sort regain control of the House and Senate in 2006, they will be very conservative in there use of power, they would want a scandal cloud hanging around until 2008. Prehaps this is what they did when Iran/Contra broke. They might have thought it would help them get the White house in 88. Didn't work, and they are dumb enough to repeat it. Reagan was trading arms with the enemy- caught red handed- anything happen..no.
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:09 PM
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9. I was hoping someone would dispell my fears.
But it seems that we are toast.

That being said, there must be something, some action we can take to turn this around. I will not go silently into the night. If kicking and screaming is all I can do, I'll kick and scream like hell!
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:28 PM
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10. me too, baby
when you begin to comprehend who's all inside the inside, and then contemplate how much co operation was necessary, it is hard to imagine a way out of this horrific state. apathy led us here, now what?
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:40 PM
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11. Revolution
If it's not too late.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:50 PM
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12. Oh, are you folks getting discouraged?
Well, stop! When one door closes, another one opens up. And some of the doors that have opened up in the last week at CI may leave gaping holes in the cover stories of some of the administration officials. What has happened is not going to help the administration. Not at all.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:53 PM
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13. PS:
please read my essay "Go Tell It On The Mountain" on GD. It has sections on Scheuer.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:58 PM
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14. okeydokey
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:14 PM
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15. Thanks H2O
These are troubling times and I was confident Kerry would win. At times I am disheartened by the "news." I also believe that the cia will be intstrumental in helping solve the crisis we face as they have the dirt. So when the good ones leave it causes me to question who will end up on top. It also feels a bit odd to think that the CIA is on the good side. Growing up in the 60's they were enemy #1, but now they may hold the key to saving our democracy!

Here's to the right door opening! Thanks for your positive outlook.

:toast:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:22 PM
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16. Well, you were right.
Remember this is coming from a person who tends to not believe "conspiracy theories" : Kerry won the election.

LBJ used to say about certain influences in the nation's agencies, "I'd rather have them in the tent pissing out, that outside the tent pissing in." Bush is going to learn the meaning of that little Texas saying.

The CIA of the 1960s, much like the FBI, is not the same agency that exists today. People who grew up in the '60s and '70s are serving. They have a different world-view. I can say this: the majority of them believe in the United States Constitution. They are dedicated professionals.

Are there dangerous people, left over from a by-gone era? Sure. Goss is the single best example.

But it is an ironic twist that these agencies might be more in favor of much of the democratic party's agenda .... they know who were serious about defense, and they know who cuts the benefits for the patriotic men and women who put it on the line.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:03 PM
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17. Another option: ex-CIA veterans sell their knowledge to the highest
bidder in other countries where ongoing subsersive campaigns by the U.S. are still being carried on. Naming names. Where the bank accounts are with passwords. Who, what, when, & where.

Remember the movie Hopscotch with Walter Matthau and Glenda Jackson (& Ned Beatty) in 1980? Matthau was fired from the CIA and he got his rocks off by persecuting his ex-boss and by writing an expose about his years at the CIA, sent it to all the major players (Russia, China, etc.), and the book became a bestseller. Life could imitate art.

On the other hand, these ex-CIA employees might better change their identities and move somewhere else as they could be targets for "hits".
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