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FullCountNotRecount Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:54 PM
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Kerry, Soros, MM, Moveon, STAY OUT! We citizens will audit vote...
with our pennies and nickels. We don't need the media focusing this on you. This is about grassroots democracy. We don't need a millionaire or billionaire coming to our rescue.
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mairceridwen Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:02 PM
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1. fuck you!
I say we need all the help we can get.

do you have any idea how FEW citizens care about this?

Besides it is really unfair to lump moveon in with Kerry and Soros since it's an organization that helps me, and others, with little money and time on our hands to participate in the political process.


Go on and have your bakesale and lemonade stand but don't you speak for me. I welcome the rich and powerful using their resources responsibly.
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FullCountNotRecount Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:10 PM
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3. Kind sir, I think it helps our democracy if we do this on our own...
and we always speak for ourselves. The media can call us conspiracy theorists but the paper trail doesn't lie. It only costs 110,000 to count the votes in Ohio...we can come up with that. Why bring phony distractions into this controversy?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:14 PM
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4. Gotta love it
First Kerry's a bitch because he's not visible. Now he's a bitch if he tries to step in, however discreetly.

No respect, I tell ya!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:51 PM
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7. Just remember, y'all...
No good deed goes unpunished.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:53 PM
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10. Did he try to step in??
That would give me a bit of hope. I welcome help from anyone right now.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:45 PM
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19. Well, his lawyers are on the prowl in Ohio
I don't know if they'll find anything useful in a court of law, but the fact that they are there looking over a few shoulders can't hurt.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:09 PM
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2. We "citizens" have no power.
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FullCountNotRecount Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:17 PM
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5. It only costs $10 and 5 citizens to request a OH Recount.
So you say we have no power. We can stand by the vote counters in NM and make sure they are doing their job correctly. That is power.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:57 PM
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11. Not true.
That is for propositions only. Read the law. Only a losing candidate can request a recount.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:55 PM
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16. Can a "conceded" candidate request a recount?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:26 PM
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17. Probably, If they lost!
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:53 AM
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22. Concession has no legal ramifications
n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:51 PM
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8. Full on mass boycotting the repukes is our power.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 04:51 PM by Zorra
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:35 PM
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6. Like #1 above, I think we need all the help we can get
for all the obvious reasons.
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lucabrasi Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:53 PM
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9. that's just silly
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:52 PM
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14. Not silly, obstructionist. We need all attention we can get.
This is a government accountability problem - not some who gets the credit beauty pageant - and depriving us of visibility won't help. Bye-bye elections!
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lucabrasi Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:08 AM
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24. I meant telling MoveOn, Soros, et. al. to stay out is silly.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:21 PM
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12. Er- arent those people you listed citizens? Many DUers are Move on members
They are at least partially funded by citizens...
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:53 PM
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15. Ha!ha! Bingo - agenda is showing - Soros, Moveon - only MM is missing
from this "Trifecta of evil" freeper BS!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:24 PM
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13. Sure, let's let Nader& shady characters make hey out of this
It's not like it's a national emergency that a 3rd election in a row is stolen....
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:55 PM
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18. Are you against MoveOn.org putting "Investigate the Vote"
on its frontpage?

www.moveon.org

From MoveOn:

Questions are swirling around whether the election was conducted honestly or not. We need to know was it or wasn't it? If people were wrongly prevented from voting, or if legitimate votes were mis-counted or not counted at all, we need to know so the wrongdoers can be held accountable, and so we can prevent this from happening again.

Members of Congress are demanding an investigation to answer this question. The decision on whether or not there will be an investigation could come as soon as Monday. Join us in supporting the call for one now.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:51 PM
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20. Without them, we will be relegated to the same corner
as UFO researchers, Elvis-sighting witnesses and miscellaneous conspiracy nuts.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:55 PM
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21. I'm left with newbie angst again
someone who hasn't been here long telling us not to see resources that we will likely need on the basis of some sort of ideal of grassroots purity.

Stranger and stranger.
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Ann Arbor Dem Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:59 AM
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23. Sounds like cutting one's nose off to spite one's face...
If they want to help, more power to them!
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