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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:24 PM
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Demands for loyalty to the president = American fascism?
Suddenly, all things Republican seem to require personal loyalty to Bush. There were the loyalty oaths we kept hearing about in connection with campaign rallies. Now Frist is saying Spector isn't good enough to be chairman of the Judiciary Committee because he puts what he thinks is right ahead of loyalty to the president. And the CIA is apparently in the throes of a Nazi-style purge of everyone who isn't a Bush loyalist.

What the hell is going on here? Americans have always expected that their representatives in Congress would be loyal to their constituents' interests and to their own consciences -- not to any president. And the civil service was created in large part to create a staff of public servants with no party affiliations.

Are the Bushies deliberately trying to set up a fascist system, or can they just not help themselves?

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:25 PM
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1. it's just the real them
leaking out ina puddle of slime on Murka's clean carpet.
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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:26 PM
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2. We are ALREADY a FASCIST STATE
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:26 PM
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3. Hitler must be been Bush's idol.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 01:43 PM by Jack Schitt
With the way this country is turning out, it wouldn't suprise me.

How come the pukes didn't show loyalty to Clinton during his 8 years as president? They're being hypocrites, that's why.

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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:42 PM
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12. That's what I'd like to know.
They tell us that in order to be a patriotic, true American you must stand behind and support your president no matter what.

Unless, of course, he gets a blowjob from an intern in the Oval Office. Then he must be denigrated, smeared, investigated, and impeached.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:29 PM
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4. It's their primitive mindset.
They took a legal oath to the Constitution.

--IMM
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:29 PM
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18. Not to the Constitution
Far from it. To locksteppedness. To Bush. Who doesn't know the first thing about the Constitution.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:31 PM
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5. they started with the flag lapel pins - required for all neocon toadies
I don't know what is next - perhaps tattooing a permanent 'mark' (of these beasts!) on the top of your hand or behind your ear, for easy display. Maybe, I don't know, a "W."

I think they have a good start on the framework for their own version of fascism, we're just now seeing the overt symptoms.

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haele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:32 PM
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6. At the very least, it's the destruction of Democracy...
I've made up a new bumpersticker - a bit wordy, but haven't gotten keyed yet.

"My Public Loyalty Oath is to the Constitution of the United States
Not some political businessman pretending to be a "Higher Power".

Don't know how many people will get it, and if someone else has a better way of saying it without pissing off the church people, feel free to pass it on.

Haele
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:32 PM
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7. You better believe they are! And, You better believe that makes POPPY Bush
o, SO HAPPY!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:33 PM
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8. ALL Right Wingers believe that Bush is a dictator.
Republicans are Nazis, NO QUESTIONS!!!

:mad:
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:08 PM
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14. Someone told me a long time ago, a dictatorship is fine...
as long as you agree with the dictator. I'm trying to keep the faith, in the midst of this madness and my own personal pit of despair, that the day will soon come when the Right Wing will splinter as those within its ranks begin to understand that they do not agree with this dictator after all. It's a carte blanche thing, you see-they would have to agree with everything, and that's pretty hard to do when so many diverse points of view will be jockeying for supremacy. So little by little, it will all begin to unravel and many in their ranks will retreat and scatter. That's my hope. Mostly, I hope it will not be too late for all of us when many RWs comprehend what they have wrought.

Like the poet said--hope springs eternal.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:38 PM
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9. Yes -- Rove and the Right have created a monster...
in the person of George W. Bush, whom many Americans, I believe, would gladly salute, if instructed, with some kind of special salute, and who would strut proudly as they did. God help us --
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:39 PM
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10. Reeks of Paranoia.. Stalinist purges of liberal Democrats in the CIA
Those people are highly trained at great expense to the TAX PAYERS in a time of war..Irreplacable !!

The President needs to have his physical and an in depth mental evaluation.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:40 PM
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11. Absolutely.
Throughout Junior's first term, we were constantly told to "stand behind" or "support" our president.

I wrote to my worthelss sycophantic senators asking that they support an investigation into the "intelligence" that was being used to drag us into this ill-advised war, and the replies I received back were tantamount to a pat on the head and an admonition to "support our President during these difficult times."

I've been told that dissent, protest, and criticism - especially where the invasion of Iraq is concerned - are unpatriotic and un-American.

Funny, that. I'd always thought that dissent and freedom of speech were the cornerstones of this country, and that it was actually *fascism* that is un-American. I guess I was wrong.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:47 PM
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13. What you are seeing is exactly what you think you are seeing
the rise of a fascist state. The next stage will be a special oath from officers and enlisted in the Armed Forces, to replace the one they took... to defend the Constitution against enemies, both foreign and domestic
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oldlady Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:21 PM
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16. with domestic foreigners going first
and foreign domestics....well, gotta have those for the aristocracy

gag
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:14 PM
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15. From Rove's "Bible"
On Bush's demand for loyalty:

"Men have less hesitation about offending one who makes himself loved than one who makes himself feared, for love is held together by a chain of obligation which, because men are sadly wicked, is broken at every opportunity to serve their self-interest, but fear is maintained by a dread of punishment which never abandons you."

from, The Prince, by Machiavelli
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:23 PM
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17. The questions that need to be asked now...
When will America wake up and stop all this? If they really do want to...


How quickly will they destroy the bill of Rights?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:32 PM
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19. To me, Bu$h is America's Hitler. How could I possibly be loyal to this
corrupt, destructive, murdering monster?
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