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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:50 PM
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UPDATE ON FALLUJAH: Mujahideen Reject Ceasefire, Wipe Out US Column
This was locked in LBN but I think the information is valuable so I'm re-posting in General Discussion. ~TYY

UPDATE ON FALLUJAH: Mujahideen Reject Ceasefire, Wipe Out US Column
Nov 14, 2004
By Omar al-Faris, JUS

In a report in early this morning, Fallujah Mujahideen have rejected the US request for cease fire and have wiped the besieged American column on Al-Hadhrah street. After the American occupation forces made several military attempts to break the siege around their battalion that had been encircled by Mujahideen on Al-Hadhrah street for several days, they were unable to dislodge it. When those military attempts failed, they resorted to peaceful solution by requesting cease fire- using loud speakers to make sure that their plea is heard. Mujahideen subsequently rejected the American request and proceeded to wipe out the entire American column on Hadhrah street. Details of American casualties are currently being evaluated, verified, and will be forth coming;

Americans Loosen Their Grip On Fallujah Perimeters

In an attempt to show good faith towards the citizens of Fallujah, the American occupiers have reopened Al-Azraqiah pass to allow families to leave. Many vacating families were seen having with obvious signs of weakness, malnutrition, torn up clothes, injuries and dust from being under rubbles. Children showed unmistakable signs of weakness, lack of food, dehydration, and lack of medical care as a result of cutting off all food and medical supplies to the city by American occupiers. The occupiers were savage towards the citizens of Fallujah during the initial siege to the extent of positioning snipers at the river banks to fire at anyone coming neat the river for a drink.

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?artic...


This from yesterday . . .

US Forces Have NOT Taken Fallujah

Nov 13, 2004
by Omar Al-Faris, JUS and Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice

While JUS normally publishes articles and editorial comments on the weekend, the decisive battle that is raging in Fallujah cant be ignored. Consequently we are filing this special bulletin and will keep you updated as news comes in from the city over the weekend.

US forces that remain inside Fallujah are now surrounded. The American were forced to move troops out of the city as the conflict widened and is now raging throughout the Sunni triangle and in the capital city.

In a bait and switch maneuver, Mujahideen in the city Friday allowed US aggressor troops into several areas of the city and then encircled them. This allowed the Mujahideen to wage the battle on their own terms. The US military has been mobbing along the main roads and avoiding the side-streets. The soldiers do not leave their armored vehicles and tanks. If they get fired on, they fire back from their tanks or call in air-strikes. By convincing the Americans that the Mujahideen had left, the fighters were able to attack and fight the US troops in areas where their aircraft and heavy weapons can not help them.

According to plan, US troops proceeded down as-Sirdar Street in the al-Jawlan and ash-Shurtah neighborhoods. They also entered the al-Askari neighborhood from the direction of the First and Second ad-Dubbat neighborhoods on the street that runs between the ash-Shurtah neighborhood to the north and the al-Askari neighborhood to the south, bringing the US troops to the heart of the main street. There the attacks on the US forces began in earnest.

The Mujahideen mounted several ambushes on the US troops and managed to cut some units off from the others, splitting up the attackers and enabling them to inflict damage on the American forces in men and materiel. The Mujahideen totally purged the industrial zone of American invader troops from the southeast. The an-Nazal and ash-Shuhada areas were also cleared of American forces. As of 10 pm local time Friday night, fighting was limited to the edges of those districts. At that time an entire US column was surrounded on al-Hadrah Street which is located between the ash-Shurtah neighborhood and the ad-Dubbat neighborhood.

Mujahideen forces ambushed the Americans in those areas by posting sharpshooters along the path where the US troops were to come, enabling them to shoot down numerous foot soldiers that had been dropped from the air in Festival Square . At the same time the narrow lanes pressed the forces of the two sides close together, preventing the Americans from making use of their airpower. US snipers on rooftops in Al-Jawlan have proven to be useless as the streets are too narrow to allow them to shoot with any kind of accuracy.

At the time of filing, the Mujahideen was in a strong position thanks to its decision to adopt the strategy of street fighting that allowed for attracting the enemy into those streets and then hunting down their advance guards.

Much more: http://www.jihadunspun.com/index-side_internal.php?arti...

TYY
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:54 PM
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1. What an Absolute
FUCKING disaster!

We have fucked this country up for the next 50 years.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:59 PM
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2. I think I'll wait for official word ...
... before believing what sounds to be a Tokyo Rose broadcast.
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will work 4 food Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:59 PM
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3. I am as against this war as anyone, but did
Baghdad Bob write this crap? This is not Black Hawk down in Faloooja. This is a division of modern soldiers against amateurs. I really doubt the accuracy of anything from a website called "jihadunspun".
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:07 PM
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9. Yes, it's probably prudent to wait for other confirmation t know whether
or not this story is true. But let me ask you this, who's credible enough to confirm or deny this story? Got any ideas on who we can really believe? I sure as hell don't believe the US military or any of the 'embedded' sources, so what do I do?

During Viet Nam there were leaks that things weren't going as peachy keen hunky dory as our fearless leaders at the time were making them out to be. And of course, the public pooh-poohed those articles and news leaks then as well. Only bad thing was it turned out that it was the truth and our government was lying it's collective ass off.

So, who and what do we believe? Is the Arab media any more or any less reliable then ours?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:14 PM
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11. Amateurs?
Never underestimate a talented amateur with --how many tons is it?--firepower.

And something else to keep in mind: THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR HOMES, FAMILIES, COUNTRY. We aren't.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:40 PM
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17. first rule in warfare
never underestimate your enemy. these guys are not amateurs
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:14 PM
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26. This is a division of modern soldiers against amateurs
First of all, welcome to DU. I haven't read any of your previous work but I gotta tell ya, that one statement was the funniest I have ever read at DU.

I'm gonna guess that you are either
a. a young person with a long path of discovery ahead of himself
or
b. an older person who stepped off that path long ago, which is OK too.

Have you ever been completely dependent on a computer? I bet you have. What's the feeling you get? Complete panic, right? Anyway, the US "modern military" consists of youngsters who are not fighting for a cause. All the technology in the world cannot make up for the fact that when one fight without a purpose, against someone who has a very clear purpose, the fight may last a loooooong time, but the side fighting for a reason always wins.

Why do you find it so incredible that poor, brown, people with dishrags on their heads are somehow not able to match wits? They've been doing this all their lives. The western world, France, UK, US have been fucking with people for many decades.

Do you knestly think that they are unable to defend themselves?
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:55 PM
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27. iraq is a nation of veterans...
they've seen a lot of war and had full conscription under saddam. they all know how to fight.

now are they as good as our troops? i'd like to think not. but i'd prefer that neither of them to be fighting. because no matter how good either side is there will be casualties. it all could've been avoided, and that's the point. it's all unnecessary. unnecessary casualties.

both sides spit propaganda, that's expected. but war ain't no picnic. i'm sure the truth holds that both sides are chewing themselves up -- and all for someone else's profit. sick
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:03 PM
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4. This looks like as big a pile of bullcrap as US claiming to own the city.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:04 PM
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5. This reminds me of Black Hawk down--the book.
on a larger scale.
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UNIXcock Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:05 PM
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6. I'd take this "news" from that website with a grain of salt
If it smells of BS ...

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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:06 PM
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7. Thank You for the repost..I agree that this is more of what should be
told to the American people. Its truth.
And its more telling of what Bush is really accomplishing in Iraq.
Bush is not concerned for our troops nor the Iraqi citizens.

I believe any and all will be sacrificed as a means to the Bush/Binladen end to their wet dream of World Oil domination.

I believe that Bush and Saudi Royals have had this plan in the making for some time.
Bush could give a rats ass about the future of America. Show me some proof that he gives a shit?? Where's his focus been since his plan to takeover our government four years ago? Fixed elections, propagandized media, aggressive invasion of a Nation based on lies to gain authorization, draining the American economic and monetary safety nets for years to come, to further his agenda..
Bush and the BinLaden close family ties to oil power is their goal, at all cost.
That is their new world order.

Posts like yours should be kept on "top".
tks again.

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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:46 PM
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25. And Still The People Sleep!!
:boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:07 PM
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8. any news source with "jihad" in its title is highly suspect
This smells like propaganda to me.

I've got a pretty good nose
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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:35 PM
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14. What does your nose tell you
about AP, Reuters etc., repeating the lies from Centcom and their Baghdad Bob puppets? Can you really smell propaganda, or are you just indoctrinated into the corporate mediocracy of the information era?
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:55 PM
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19. oh give me a break. there's propaganda on both sides
and if you think there's no propaganda on the muslim side just because they're the ones on the losing end of this shit, then you're sadly naive.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:10 PM
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10. The truth lies somewhere in between this
pile of crap and fox's pile of crap

You know both smell to high heaven
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exJW Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:26 PM
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12. Website registered to one "Baghdad Bob"
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:26 PM
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13. The U.S. ASKED for a cease fire???
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 01:32 PM by rocknation
Is that what you do when you're winning? You might offer to let the other side lay down their arms and surrender. But you don't ask if they wouldn't mind easing up on defending themselves against you. And how many troops are in a column?

:headbang:
rocknation
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firebee Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:39 PM
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16. That is an undeniable fact...
We did ask for a cease fire, which lends credibility to this article. However, I'm not sure their was an American slaughter as this article suggests. However, it wouldn't surprise me.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:37 PM
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15. fairly accurate from all the other sources
i have read yesterday and today. the column of us vehicles were trapped in a street somewhere in the city and yes several other reports confirm this. jihadunspun isn`t the best source -they tend to be as accurate as the us army press releases
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:49 PM
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18. Jihadunspun???
I'm going to dispense with the niceties.... wtf?
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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:02 PM
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20. UPDATE ON FALLUJAH: Mujahideen Breathe Fire, Lift Heavy Things
nt
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:16 PM
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23. You forgot shooting lightning from their eyes and removing tough stains
:eyes:
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:42 PM
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21. Collaborating source? US column drive into an ambush
Despite a day of steady US tank and artillery fire that rumbled across Fallujah like a thunderstorm ready to pour, insurgents began their work.

One armored unit was ambushed in the south center of the city by militants who struck with rocket-propelled grenades. Separately, another vehicle was hit with gunfire, wounding a marine.

Those involved in the ambush said a trap had been laid, and that the area was marked with earth berms in defensive posture, and metal-box firing positions. Shortly after the firefight, US-fired artillery rounds crashed into the area.

"They have been working on it, an L-shaped ambush," said one corporal, whose face was blackened by smoke from the attack. "It looks like something out of Mad Maxx."

"We walked right into a hornet's nest today," said a sergeant with the worn look of a survivor. Their names and units involved could not be released, in line with military rules that prevent such details until the wounded's next of kin have been notified. "They were probing us and fired six RPGs before we went for it. They lassoed us right in."


Is that what we're talking about? It looks like this unit walked dead into a wall of fire.

Article found here.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:10 PM
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22. Link is broken . . .
. . . but I was able to google it. Looks like the same story from a different perspective. Thanks Selatius.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1112/p01s02-woiq.htm

TYY

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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:20 PM
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24. I think comical ali himself couldn't do any better
This is a 'news source'? :eyes:
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