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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:16 AM
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democrats new strategy, say yes to everything
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 11:17 AM by whirlygigspin
scrap social security,
end welfare,
farm subsidies,
the whole enchilada,
let the pukes have it all and watch the 'Morally superior'
red states people react,as they are, oh so much better than the rest of us, they don't need social security or welfare or abortions anyway.

So let them have they're Alabamistan, fuck it.



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NJ_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:25 AM
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1. I was thinking say NO to everything...

for the next four years... I was thinking Dems should just vote NO to everything for the next four years... That way when the country falls to shit, which we know is only a matter of time, they can't point to us and say we agreed...

We would then be able to say: "Hey, we voted NO, remember"?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:34 AM
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2. Alabamistan
perfect
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:36 AM
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3. Why not? Our Pink Tutu leadership has always laid down and died
I'm at the point I want OUT. I'm in California and I'm ready to secede. Who is with me?
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:38 AM
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4. No
Then when things fall apart in a horrible way, the Dems are as much to blame.

If you want to make the Greens the only progressive party, sure. But this ploy will hurt the Dems far more than being an oppositions party.
We will be hard pressed to stop much as it is, but that does not mean the dems should not resist.

As a former Dem, I think resistance is the only thing that might get them back as a unified party, instead of a bunch of mice.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:40 AM
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5. So, where's the "new" strategy?
Thanks to the "we have to get the moderate votes" that's been the strategy since 1992.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:42 AM
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6. That's what I was thinking, too.
This isn't new. They've been playing that game for years.
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Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:08 PM
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7. Re:democrats new strategy, say yes to everything
This is a new strategy?

If the democrats would once again simply follow the principles of liberalism, it would be on a winning team always.

Gandhi was a follower of liberalism and Gandhi made India into the largest democracy in the world.

Here is a list of accomplishments of Liberalism. This list is just in the USA. The list is even bigger for accomplishments of Liberalism overseas such as the fall of the Soviet Union.


Interstate Highway System

era: 1950's-present
Proposed by Roosevelt and erected by Eisenhower (a Republican), the Interstate system was a big government project. As much as anything else in the post WWII era, the Interstate is responsible for tremendous economic growth, prosperity, and has spawned an entire culture.


GI Bill

era: 1950's
This act of Congress enabled millions upon millions of Americans to get college educations, something that most Americans had never had the opportunity to do previously. An entire generation of leaders, scientists, and business people owe their education to the GI Bill.


Labor Laws

era: 1930's-present
An end to child labor, 40 hour work weeks, the right of employees to collectively bargain, overtime pay, workplace safety, all of the things we take for granted today are thanks to liberal laws passed in the first half of this century. It was the conservatives who fought tooth and nail against the end of sweatshops and exploitation.


Marshall Plan

era: late 1940's-1950's
Foreign aid is a popular scapegoat these days. Those who would cut it should look back at the Marshall Plan, which rebuilt Europe, and is the major reason that Communism never made it past East Berlin.


Environmental Laws

era: 1970's-present
The environment has gotten much better in the last 30 years thanks to liberals. Bald Eagles fly once again thanks to endangered species laws, most rivers and lakes are clean again due to anti-pollution laws, and frequent smog days are a thing of the past in most big American cities.


Food safety laws

era: 1910's-present
Ever read Sinclair's "The Jungle?" That's what things were really like before food purity laws were on the books. Today cases of food poisoning are rare, and consumers know that whatever they buy is safe to eat.


Workplace safety laws

era: 1930's-present
Long hours in unsafe conditions are much rarer today than in the past. Tragedies such as the Triangle Shirtwaist fire and child labor have been eliminated by liberal and progressive legislation.


Social Security

era: 1930's-1970's
This program has provided three generations of Americans retirement benefits, and nearly eliminated poverty among the elderly. The program is weakening now, but for 50 years it did its job to a T.


Economic Growth

era: 1950's-1960's
Liberalism and economic prosperity go hand-in-hand. Unlike the pseudo-boom of the 1980's, the 1950's and 1960's were a period of sustained and real growth for all sectors of the economy and all social classes. Taxes were fair, government worked, and America prospered under both Democratic and Republican administrations


Space Program

era: 1950's-present
It was Kennedy who challenged us to make it to the moon, and it is under his and Johnson's administrations that the space program took off, with numerous benefits to American industry and peoples' standard of living, not to mention national pride. If you are reading this on a computer, thank the space program and the liberals who got it going.


Peace corps

era: 1960's-present
Kennedy inspired thousands of Americans to ask what they could do for their country, and the Peace Corps is his most visible and effective legacy


Civil rights movement

era: 1950's-present
Liberal ideals drove the biggest change in American society since the Civil War, the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. All Americans who believe in freedom and opportunity cannot help but be inspired by the valiant struggles of MLK and others. Also recall if you will that the major opponents of civil rights were conservatives.


The fight against Totalitarianism

era: always
World War II was fought by all Americans; liberals and conservatives fought together the evil of Nazism. The ideal we fought for was freedom and the dignity of the individual against totalitarianism. Under the leadership of Roosevelt and Truman, we won. But the battle is never over, so we must remain vigilant.


The Internet

era: 1960's-present
Not a liberal program per se, but rather a government one, which many equate as the same thing. The internet is a good example of what a government program can do when allowed to work.


The Tennessee Valley project

era: 1930's
The Depression-era government program bought electricity to thousands of impoverished families in Appalachia, prevented floods, and created thousands of new jobs.


Women's right to vote

era: 1920's-present
Before 1920, half of America's population could not exercise the essential duty of citizenship.


Universal Public Education

era: 1890's-present
The reason America is so strong economically is because we have a well-educated citizenry. Public schooling is the true melting pot of America, where every student, regardless of economic background can be taught the basics of citizenship. It is no coincidence that in the last 20 years, as conservatives have greatly weakened the public school system, that American students have scored lower on tests and our civic society has started to unravel.


National Weather Service

era: 1930's-present
This is one of those things you never think about, but you are glad its there. Far from just forecasting the weather, the NWS also provides vital data to pilots and sailors, and the NWS satellites and observation posts provide the raw data that all other weather forecasting services (private ones too!) depend on.


Scientific Research

era: 1940's-present
Much of the great discoveries in science have come about through grants from the government. This is not to say that scientific genius depends on Washington, but the fact remains that pure science is expensive, and private industry will often not fund experiments which don't have a direct commercial potential. From Salk's polio vaccine to todays Human Genome Project and Hubble Space Telescope, the government is an important partner in scientific discovery.


Product Labeling/Truth in Advertising Laws

era: 1910's-present
"We take it for granted that if a claim is made publicly for a product, it's reasonable to assume it's true. Plus, every time we check the ingredients on a can or package of food, we should mentally call down blessings on the liberals who passed the necessary legislation over the anguished howls of the conservatives, who were convinced such info would be prohibitively expensive, and too big a burden on business."


Public Health

era: 1910's-present
Government funded water and sewage systems are an important part of modernity. In addition, organizations such as the National Institute of Health and the Center for Disease Control play an important part in maintaining the national health and preventing epidemics through research, vaccination programs, etc.


Morrill Land Grant Act

era: late 1800's
This act is the reason why nearly every state in the Union has a large public university. These centers of learning have educated untold millions of Americans. If you went to a school with a state name in it, then you were helped by liberalism.


Rural Electrification

era: 1930's-1960's
This allowed remote, rural areas of the country the basic convinience of electricity. I am sure that those of us using computers on the internet, sitting in our air conditioned homes, under our electric lights consider electricity a basic necessity - one that the pure market would never have found profitable to provide to isolated farming communities.


Public Universities

era: 1890's-present day
Put a college education within the reach of nearly every American. In addition to education, many of these institutions have played key roles in all kinds of scientific research and been a strong influence on our entire society.


Bank Deposit Insurance

era: 1930's-present day
About 1934, as part of extensive New Deal banking legislation, Congress created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) to provide federal insurance for bank deposits. This was instrumental in restoring confidence in our nation's banks, and remains so to this day.


Earned Income Tax Credit

era: 1970's-present day
Reduces the tax burden for working families who make under $28,500.00 You have to earn income to get it. It is not a handout. It's a great incentive for families to stay off welfare. But the atmosphere has changed in Washington, and Republicans had to find a way to pay for their capital-gains tax cut, and EITC was their ticket to success. So, the Republicans voted to cut this program by $29 billion over a certain time frame. Well guess what? They just raised the taxes on lower income working families.


Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

era: 1940's-present day
The world's foremost authority and defense against infectious disease and epidemic is a department of the United States government.


Family and Medical Leave Act

era: 1993-present day
This is a program which mandates that you have the right to job leave to take care of sick family members, or to have a child. Many conservatives were opposed to this valuable piece of legislation. Perhaps they were opposed to family values?


Consumer Product Safety Commission

era: 1972-present day
These guys regulate consumer products for safety. Everything from sharp (and edible) baby toys to flammable pjamas have been taken off the market due to the work of this commission.


Public Broadcasting

era: 1930's-present day
Millions of our children have learned from shows like Sesame Street, 3-2-1 Contact, and Mister Rogers (and so many more). Millions of adults continue to learn from shows like Nova. Also, the best broadcast journalism is by far National Public Radio. PBS and NPR have served to enrich our national culture.


Americans With Disabilities Act

era: 1990-present day
Civil rights for disabled citizens. It is fair, just, and it is the law of the land. Credit where credit is due, former Senator Bob Dole helped push this through, a rare nod in favor of liberalism from Mr. Dole.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:14 PM
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9. kick
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RyomaSakamoto Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:36 PM
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10. excellent post
thanks for sharing that :toast:
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RyomaSakamoto Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:11 PM
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8. thats the current startegy
doesn't seem to be working, though one could argue they aren't counting our votes so who can tell :crazy:
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:21 PM
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11. i like that yes to
porter goof,,,,goose step practice at 3 sharp
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