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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:15 PM
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you won't be able to stay in your chair after reading this - Fallujah

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/111304Chin...

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While the US corporate media continues to broadcast and publish Pentagon/CIA-sanitized, jingoistic and violent Bush administration propaganda, front-line dispatches of independent reporter Dahr Jamail (also available at Flashpoints (Pacifica Radio), and the coverage of Al-Jazeera, The New Standard News, Occupation Watch, Empire Notes, and media outside of the US confirm that violence is spiraling out of control across Iraq.

Code named "Operation Phantom Fury" by the sadistic and demented war criminal Donald Rumsfeld (who undoubtedly realized knew that the "fury" that would be inflicted upon Iraq would be anything but "phantom"), the genocidal Fallujah rampage begun by the Bush administration and its Allawi puppet government is already a war crime of immense proportions.

Following aerial bombardment with (among other things) 1,000-pound and 500-pound "bunker busters," depleted uranium, "fleshette" shrapnel bombs, chemical weapons, napalm, cluster bombs, and artillery fire, 10,000 US troops swarmed into Fallujah for street by street, house by house, person by person slaughter. Iraq under martial law, with its borders closed, is a "turkey shoot." In a final insult to add to the humiliation, the Bush regime has delivered this gift of death, horror and atrocities during the holy period of Ramadan.

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"Marine commander Major General John Sattler dehumanised Fallujah's defenders as 'mugs, thugs, murderers and intimidators.' Colonel Michael Shupp ordered his troops to shoot Iraqis attempting to surrender, 'because of the threat of suicide bombers." Army Colonel Pete Newell declared: "We're going to start at one end of the city and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it.'"

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An untold number of Iraqi civilians have been butchered by brainwashed and trigger-happy American teenagers, whipped into a frenzy of bloodlust and fanaticism by their superiors. Soldiers are being sent into the meat grinder with evangelical Christian rites, Christian rock music, and heavy metal, and told by officers that they are battling "the face of Satan", and "saving Iraq from rape, torture, and murder".

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The disregard for human life being displayed by American troops has been widely reported outside of the USand the atrocities of Abu Ghraib were just the tip of the iceberg. Sadism is operational policy, approved by the highest levels of the "moral" Bush administration.
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we will pay for murdering Iraq

we tried our best to stop this invasion from happening. our best wasn't good enough.


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oldlady Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:19 PM
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1. our best wasn't good enough
is getting to be a mantra for us...ok, maybe I spent too much time on the sorryeverybody.com website..

maybe there just ISN'T anyone on the other end of the phone we are TRYING to communicate through

*sigh*
peace
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Dzimbowicz Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:19 PM
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2. You stated: "we will pay for murdering Iraq"
I agree. But, what will be the price? I am really afraid of what the answer will be.
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firebee Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:59 PM
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18. Well....
We have no cooperation from foreign intelligence, Bush and friends are totally out of the loop with foreign relations, our military has thinned out severely due to Bush's ideological world conquest and Bush is now... decimating our intelligence community by purging operatives and restructuring our chain of command in the intelligence community.

In other words... The world could be planning a military buildup for a strike on the United States right now and we wouldn't have a clue because our government's just that far out of touch with foreign relations.

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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:20 PM
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3. If only more Americans could read that story.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 12:21 PM by Ripley
This is a very accurate description of what is happening.

Yet most Americans say "Huh? I thought we already won Fallujah a month ago. Oh well, I guess the bad guys keep coming in from Syria."

Thanks for posting this.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:26 PM
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4. This is truly horrifying
We are going to regret this until the 12th of Never.

To think I contribute financially to this with my tax $ makes me ill.

Julie
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Thoth Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:27 PM
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5. Great essay! n/t
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camby Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:27 PM
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6. Check out this Link - Fallujah Photos
Here are some of the future insurgents we are neutralizing:
<http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com />
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taxismom Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:19 AM
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26. I saw these
A couple of days ago. I'm printing a bunch of them up and every
time I am anywhere near a pole at a crosswalk or a bulletin board
by a grocery story or walking down main street by the lampposts, I slapping one or two up.
We are damned.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:28 PM
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7. tried our best and failed
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 12:29 PM by bigtree
I am killing innocents in Iraq because of my continuing tribute paid to this fascist infected government of ours. I'm desperate to de-throne the counterfeit king so that I can stop killing innocents abroad. I've taken on this language to remind myself that I can't seperate myself from the actions of my government unless, of course, I relinquish my citizenship or refuse to pay my tribute. The taxes we pay go to more than the war machine and I don't believe for a minute that they would stop killing to preserve the more benign expenditures like education, health, etc. But I am painfully aware that the country I love and support, and our democraticlly elected government must be brought out of their denial that the product of American's work and sacrifice goes mainly to support their killing spree in Iraq and elsewhere abroad.

I will continue to work to stop killing innocents abroad. I am deeply sorry for my inability to stop killing.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:29 PM
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8. "Sadism is operational policy"
of GW Bush and associates.
And in their version of "Christianity", sadism is the operational policy of Jesus also.



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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:34 PM
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9. Depleted Uranium shells is scarry shit
I heard that birth defects and cancer is off the charts in Bosnia and Iraq after we used them there in the 90's. There's a movie about it on the internet somewhere. It's just really disturbing.
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camby Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:39 PM
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11. DEPLETED URANIUM - check out this link
<http://www.kucinich.us/dkdu.html >
please watch the whole thing, it starts out as a Dennis Kucinich ad but you have to click on the link AFTER the ad stops.
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lefthandedskyhook Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:24 PM
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14. And the righties say it's no more harmful than lead
This is a real moral issue
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:28 AM
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19. They are noticing problems with Italian vets too
http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?doc=200410191947-1213...

According to the Italian Military Health Observatory a total of 109 Italian soldiers have died thus far due to exposure to depleted uranium. The observatory stressed the fact that 41 pct of active personnel casualties relate to disease. According to Domenico Leggiero at the Military Health Observatory, "The total of 109 casualties exceeds the total number of persons dying as a consequence of road accidents.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:45 AM
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21. There is no way depleted uranium was used in Fallujah
Depleted uranium is used primarily in the 120mm armor-piercing rounds fired by the M1A1 Abrams tank, and in the 30mm armor-piercing rounds fired by the A10 Warthog tank-killer plane. Since there were no tanks or other armored vehicles to destroy in Fallujah, standard high-explosive rounds would have been used instead, because these are far more effective at destroying buildings than armor-piercing rounds. There is NO depleted uranium in bombs either, because it would serve no purpose and actually make the bombs less powerful. Basically, we didn't employ any weapons in Fallujah that would have used depleted uranium.

There have been enough real atrocities committed in Fallujah for us to not have to start making stuff up.
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camby Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:23 PM
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22. Thanks for pointing that out - you're quite right.
the depleted uranium topic was a sidebar, but it's important to note that it has a specific use, and is mainly used for penetrating tank armor.
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signmike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:34 PM
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10. This fits in
with what I saw on TV news the other night. The same day they showed us attacking the big mosque with the twin minarets, they showed some Iraqis walking, carrying white flags. There was a smiling marine who said to the camera; "We have them right where we want them. They're coming to us with their white flags and we're killing them."

another vote for The Smirk
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:53 PM
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12. this is propaganda just like Fox is
use terms like "demented" and its hard to consider the rest of it objectively.

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camby Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:56 PM
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13. Get used to it.
That's what happens when the country gets polarized. Remember the 60's?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:32 PM
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15. Interesting that you mention the 60's, IE Vietnam...
I'm not sure how true any of this shit is anymore. What we do know, though, as people like John Kerry and others attested to, is that US troops were basically ordered to commit war crimes. I don't believe everything that I read, but photos and numbers do indicate that a shitload of innocent civilians have been killed. I would not be surprised if we are doing the same this time around.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:36 PM
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16. what I would not give for a liberal news station
C-span could do this, just run foreign press clips instead of running AEI forums
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:44 PM
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17. How can so many of our fellow countrymen think this is GOOD?!
:cry:
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:33 AM
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20. The Rape of Fallujah.
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:30 PM
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23. We tried our hardest, not our best.
We gave blood, sweat, toil and tears to the cause. But our leadership couldn't pull this off. We were outplayed by Rove. We can fight smarter than them--Rove isn't a god. We can't fight harder, but we can fight better.

Before you ask how, please make sure you've read Don't Think of an Elephant and Moral Politics by Lakoff.
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:53 AM
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24. When we reap the whirlwind the Reds will be asking why. No,
scratch that, they won't ask why, they'll just start killing more innocent people.
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slowroll Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:04 AM
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25. I quit reading right here-
Following aerial bombardment with (among other things) 1,000-pound and 500-pound "bunker busters," depleted uranium, "fleshette" shrapnel bombs, chemical weapons, napalm, cluster bombs,

When did we start making a 500lb bunker buster? Who's using DU? What's a "'fleshette' shrapnel bomb"? Who brought the Sarin? Where'd we drop the napalm and the CBUs?

Somebody else said it-there's enough horror to be had in war without these kinds of nonsensical screeds.
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