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MaryH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:46 AM
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What Would A Nation Of Bible Believers Look Like?
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 09:55 AM by MaryH
I have lived in a theocracy - Salt Lake City. It wasn't really a very good environment for anyone - even the true believers. The only ones who won were the people with the power. The church was very wealthy and still is.

But what would a nation under complete control of the Evangelicals look like? Like the Puritans?

Woman would be subserviant to men. Of course!

Children would all go to Evangelical Schools - or the Public Schools would become the Evangelical Schools. All flags and Bible and prayers.

Science would get pushed back 200 years or more. Most of the science going would have to leave the US and go to other countries in order to proceed.

No smoking

And definitely no dope.

No alchol for drinking.

No swearing.

And movies and TV and vidio games would all become church related. Sermons and Church music and other approved, church and family approved stuff only.

Church three times a week. All day Sunday. And Wednesday nites.

And Church members visit each family at least one a week to be sure there are no forbidden things going on.

Huckleberry Finn and all sorts of other books will be banned.

No birth control. All birth control is a form of abortion.

Women will find their place in heaven through their husbands and through the children they have. The only approved sexual position is the missionary position. Sex is not for fun.

I could go on and on. But it mostly makes me nervous. This could really happen.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:48 AM
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1. they tried the no alchohol thing here once
during that period more alchohol than ever was made and sold, at insane prices
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:49 AM
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2. It would be a mirror image of the Isalm countries - except for
women's rights. Both religious groups want women covered up and shut up.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:49 AM
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3. The Handmaid's Tale
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 09:50 AM by iamjoy
or Afghanistan before we liberated it from the Taliban, pretty much the same thing.

If you haven't ready Margaret Atwood's novel, you must. Her style of writing is a little quirky, the narrator's thoughts jump around seemingly randomly, but what you do read will chill you more than anything Steven King has ever written
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:49 AM
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4. It would look like Saudi Arabia

only without the oil money and a lot more people.

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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:56 AM
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8. and more weapons
Christin fundamentalists do love to kill non believers, blacks, heathens, women and jews
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MaryH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:00 AM
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10. Yea - back to the Inquisition?
Just burn people at the stake after giving them a slightly tilted trial.
Or beheading. That seems to be becoming more popular again.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:31 AM
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23. more like constant war
genocidal are those who follow the corrupted teachings of yaweh
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:50 AM
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5. Salem Mass. during the witch hunts.n/t
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:53 AM
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6. Sex. No legal premarital or extramarital variety. And women
admonished about enjoying it even during the institution of marriage.

Stoning of unmarried un-virgins. Jail for adultorers. Tort reform allowing exception for lawsuits for "alienation of affection" for wronged spouses against their rivals.

Yeah, it's gonna be fun living in a theocracy.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:55 AM
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7. heres how a fundie country would be
Women would not allowed to show any "features" outside or they would be killed

Constant War to convert the heathens

No drinking or smoking, unless your a higher up in the church/goverment

Women would be killed for being raped, but the rapists would not be punished

Mandatory church attendance or execution, no medical eceptions other than child birth

child must be born from a family once every 2 years, if the wife is found infertile, she must be killed

No Dark skinned people fo they are the devil

the only jobs would be in the church, weapons and working in the fields or in the military
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MaryH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:59 AM
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9. I don't think it would end up like the Taliban but
anyone doing what is considered "unGodley" would end up being shunned. That's what happens in Salt Lake. People just act like you don't exist. It is a very wierd thing.

How about "Scarlet A" tee-shirts.

I sure hope we all don't end up looking like the characters on the 1950's TV shows. Dipped in Starch look.

It would certainly be "unGodly" to question. It is all direct from God through his Holy Word in the Bible.
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priscilla penwright Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:14 AM
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16. here's how a fundie country would be
It would look like Bob Boudelang's Daisy View trailer park. I think, rather than a nation of Puritans it would become a nation of drunks, liars and cheats. Ms. Esther, I think hit it on the nose. No one like Bob Boudelang should be trusted. They pretend they are hotsy totsy pure but just look at the mess they make in their own home.

I read his article on the "Dumborat Morans! You Are Doomded!" while I was washing dishes and I really think you people should speak their mind more against people that live that kind of life. In his world anyone that is not like him should be hunted down and strung up, I suppose, and I think that is what will happen to American if it becomes anything like the Daisy View trailer park.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:01 AM
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11. believing is different than imposing those beliefs on others
if you mean imposing those beliefs, read A Handmaid's Tale. That's the vision of AMerica that the religous right would love to impose on all of us.

And they have the means to do it. They've hijacked the republican party. For details on how they managed to do this, and the political platform they want to impose on us, check out this website: http://www.TheocracyWatch.org

Theocracy Now!
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:02 AM
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12. Actually, no
While the Christian Taliban might get some of its legislative agenda passed, its actual effect on the life of America will be much less powerful. When the Religious Right confronts the money changers in the temple (the folks that use sex to sell soda to kids) the Jesus-freaks will find out just how short their reach really is.

Money is this society's god and the churches will learn a hard lesson trying to impose some other God in its place.
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MaryH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:03 AM
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13. I think a lot of those money changers and the Pod People
are the same people. The money is what it is really all about.
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postie Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:10 AM
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14. Did anyone
see Jimmy Swaggart this morning? It was pretty wild.

He was talking about Iraq. At first, I thought he was going to denounce the war- he basically said that Bush seems not to have thought about the aftermath of the war and there are over a thousand american deaths and what does it mean. He kept showing maps of the middle east and a graphic that said we have spent over 100 billion dollars so far.

But then he started up with some weird shit about how babylon represented satan and jerusalem represented god and how the current war is about something much bigger. At the end of his little speech he got this pained, deadly serious look on his face and said this battle represented the beginning of the end.

He also threw in some stuff about the antichrst- apparently the antichrist will be arriving soon and he will be a jewish male from either Syria or Iraq.

Then they switched to him playing piano and singing. He actually kind of rocked out a little, bouncing his leg and really sweating.

:headbang:
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hollywood926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:16 AM
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17. Those religious shows are very entertaining...
Kirk Cameron's is my favorite. He goes around town with this other guy and accosts people on the street and calls them liars and tells them they are going to hell if they don't find Jesus.

I'm telling you, if it weren't for that sexy democrat Leonardo DiCaprio, that whole Growing Pains cast would a lost cause.
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postie Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:20 AM
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20. Yeah,
I heard Kirk Cameron got super-religious at the height of his popularity.

They had a Growing Pains reunion recently but unfortunately I missed it.
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hollywood926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:12 AM
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15. The day I am subservient to a man will be the day I die!!!!!!
No offense to men. I love men. I would just rather walk beside them so I can hold their hands and talk to them. It always strikes me as odd when a man doesn't want that, too.

And the missionary position? What man wants that? Is another planet we're talking about?

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:17 AM
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18. Hey, man, I'm a Bible believer
We're not all Fundamentalist, dude! Please don't lump all the religious together. Some of us are quite cute (bats eyelashes).
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:17 AM
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19. One sci-fi book told this story
but I forgot which author and what book. Anyone recall it? It ended up with a revolution and a hard fought battle against the top preacher in his citadel.

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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:21 AM
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21. Thou Shalt Not Dance, one of the commandments
Oh what a charming place that nation would.
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groundpilot Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:31 AM
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22. I assume you are referring to biblical literalists...
and if that's the case, we're in for a tough shlog... because most things in the bible are irreconcilable when read literally, and we would be living in a society based on constantly conflicting idiologies of what is right... hmmm... sounds strangely familiar...
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:48 AM
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24. Here's a glimpse: article "The Godless Must Be Crazy"
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 10:50 AM by JudyM
I can't recommend this article highly enough - it should be on the front page of papers nationally. Please forward far and wide if you agree. Excerpts follow.
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...Many Christian fundamentalists feel that concern for the future of our planet is irrelevant, because it has no future. They believe we are living in the End Time, when the son of God will return, the righteous will enter heaven, and sinners will be condemned to eternal hellfire. They may also believe, along with millions of other Christian fundamentalists, that environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed -- even hastened -- as a sign of the coming Apocalypse.

... We are not talking about a handful of fringe lawmakers who hold or are beholden to these beliefs. The 231 legislators (all but five of them Republicans) who received an average 80 percent approval rating or higher from the leading religious-right organizations make up more than 40 percent of the U.S. Congress. These politicians include some of the most powerful figures in the U.S. government, as well as key environmental decision makers: Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Senate Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, Senate Republican Conference Chair Rick Santorum, Senate Republican Policy Chair Jon Kyl, House Speaker Dennis Hastert, House Majority Whip Roy Blunt, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, and quite possibly President Bush.

...Like it or not, faith in the Apocalypse is a powerful driving force in modern American politics...While there are many divergent End-Time theologies and sects, the most politically influential are the dispensationalists and reconstructionists...The social and environmental crises of our times, dispensationalists say, are portents of the Rapture, when born-again Christians, living and dead, will be taken up into heaven....The reconstructionists (also known as dominionists)...believe that Christ will only make his Second Coming when the world has prepared a place for Him, and that the first step in readying His arrival is to Christianize America.... DeLay, who has considerable control over the agenda in the House, has called for "march forward with a Biblical worldview" in U.S. politics.

... In the past, it was not deemed politically correct to ask probing questions about a lawmaker's intimate religious beliefs. But when those beliefs play a crucial role in shaping public policy, it becomes necessary for the people to know and understand them. It sounds startling, but the great unasked questions that need to be posed to the 231 U.S. legislators backed by the Christian right, and to President Bush himself, are not the kind of softballs about faith lobbed at the candidates during the recent presidential debates. They are, instead, tough, specific inquiries about the details of that faith: Do you believe we are in the End Time? Are the governmental policies you support based on your faith in the imminent Second Coming of Christ? It's not an exaggeration to say that the fate of our planet depends on our asking these questions, and on our ability to reshape environmental strategy in light of the answers.

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/12982.php
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ConcernedNonpartisan Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:49 AM
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25. Let me see.
Hummmmmm.

There would be Crusades to impose our will upon the world. (Iraq)

We would make "unholy" alliances to further our goals. (Saudi Arabia)

Widen the gap between the rich and the poor. (Outsource employment)

Press the poor into indebted servitude. (Credit cards)

One by one, undermine all the "rights" outlined in the Constitution. (Homeland Security Act)

Fill all government positions with "right wing ultra-ists" (Upcoming Supreme Court appointments)

Keep the poor under educated (Down grading of public schools and up grading private schools)

Move retirement funds to the public arena where it can be stolen. (Privatization of Social Security)

Degrade available medical care and protect the incompetent services they provide. (Tort reforms)

Oh. Sorry. I forgot the question was "What if" not "What is". So, I won't go further. I'm sure most of you are aware of what is happening.

This is where we are at right now! I can't imagine where we would be if we lived in a theocracy.

I used to believe that good and evil was about equally divided between both major parties (hence the "nonpartisan" name) but it appears that the evil has taken a "right" turn and it is time for us all to be aware and active.

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