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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:10 AM
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shall we pray for the dead in Fallujah, or just say Fuck em?
as good christians, should we pray for the souls lost in iraq, over 100,000 and counting? did they deserve our prayers or pity? or did they get what they deserved because they dared to ignore christ?

do the innocent mothers holding their children go to paradise or to hell when they blow up?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:31 AM
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1. We should pray for them, if we believe in anything Jesus said. eom
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:33 AM
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2. see, in this situation
I'd have to vote for the innocent civillians, rather than the person who whacked'em.

It's funny (in a very tragic way) that these people wear their religion on their sleeve (and ask that everyone else do as well), but yet they ignore commandment one of their beloved 10.

THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

Seems pretty straight forward to me, but I guess these christians must not understand the meaning of the word 'kill'.

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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:35 AM
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3. you didn't read the fine print, there's lots of loopholes
i mean, you can't just take the bible literally
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:48 AM
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4. yeah, silly me... I forgot
it's a fairytale. :+
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:53 AM
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5. Their argument is that...
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 06:54 AM by teach1st
..that particular commandment should be interpreted as "thou shalt not murder." So killing is OK as long as it isn't murder. And we can easily twist intentions in our little minds so that our murdering becomes killing.

After all, those innocent civilians in Iraq shouldn't have flown the 9/11 airplanes and built all those WMDs. Then we wouldn't have had to kill all 100,000 of them.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:41 AM
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20. right... it's not killing
because we don't call it that. :eyes:

Even if you were able to make the semantic distinction between killing and murder (self defense being the only truly viable path there) how is it that one can say that putting a rifle slug into an unarmed human who has not chosen to be killed not murder?

Just curious. :evilgrin:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:20 AM
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6. "Christians" who support the war
would probably be wiser to pray for their own souls as Jesus will probably say 'depart from me, I know you not'..
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:25 AM
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7. CNN International had this special programme
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 07:27 AM by paagal kutta
about right wing christians in america. the presenter interviewed this kid of 10, who was asked- "What happens to people who do not believe in Jesus?"
and the kid says, without missing a beat- "they go to hell."
so whatever you, mopaul, may wanna do, the 51% majority in your country have a resounding "fuck em" message to any non-christian dying in iraq.
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Cornedwine Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:29 AM
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8. I am a grown man...
and I have cried every day since the election.

I cry everytime I watch the news....


I am thinking of something drastic.

I don't want to be here anymore!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:40 AM
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10. historically
arrogance has almost always led to the undoing and downfall of 'leaders'. Being that these people rank at the top of the list of history's most arrogant, they may still be in for a major fall.
At least we can hope.
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oldlady Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:47 AM
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17. why we need you
the biggest part of this "battle" is that so many people are blinded to the simplest truths right now. Whether that's by government leaders, the media, churches, friends, neighbors, personally held biases, or even Jon Stewart and fake news ---- for whatever reason-- our fellow citizens are NOT aware, don't understand what they are seeing/hearing, do not have the facts/truth. YOU are in pain because you DO see what's happening. Don't check out--our hope rests on the truth spreading & EVERY awake person MUST wake up someone else!

peace

I'm sorry you are in pain because it hurts so much, but I'm not sorry your pain exists-- it is proof that you have a heart and soul.
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:48 AM
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19. Cornewine
I know how you're feeling as I am in the same boat. ((hugs) to you..
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:30 AM
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9. According to the church in which I was raised...
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 07:31 AM by theHandpuppet
... the one which sported a big neon cross saying, "Temple Baptist Church, Saved By The Blood" it was a sin for a baby to cry, since the baby was selfish for only thinking of its own needs. I still remember that hateful comment from Sunday School over forty years ago, which is probably why I'm so fed up with it all. Man, I also remember that when my sister asked if babies who had never heard of Jesus would go to hell our Sunday School teacher said yes they would, that their lack of salvation wasn't God's fault, it was ours for not having more missionaries.

My sis is still a fundie but luckily I was booted out of the church in High School for leading a walk-out protest during the Vietnam War. Never looked back. No regrets.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:58 AM
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11. Whichever. Won't help either way.
They're dead, and our government killed them. I won't say "we" killed them, because i don't know anyone who voted to continue this insanity. Oh, sure over 53 million voted for it, but I won't associate with those mouthbreathers.

Anyway, go ahead and pray if it makes you feel better. They're dead.

Times like this I wish there really WAS a "Hell", just so the whole BFEE could go there.
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:59 AM
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12. Depends whether we think God sent us there to murder them (n/t)
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:04 AM
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13. Yes we should pray for the dead and I am
I have repeatedly. It sickens me what we are doing over there in the name of *. Certainly not in the name of anything or Anyone Holy.

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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:09 AM
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14. The dead? Why.. their TERRORISTS,don't you watch FOX?!??
Terrorists,terrorists,terra.

Murdoch...there is one really special corner of HELL just waiting for you....

David
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:37 AM
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15. Purgitory.
God so loves the world that He allows the dead from Iraq to go to Purgitory, unless they have committed mortal sins such as being anti-freedom. But for the majority of the ones you are talking about, specifically the little children, Jesus (God's Son) taught lessons that if little children are killed for freedom, and they haven't been baptised, they go to Purgitory. Their mothers often do, too, as God doesn't like to separate families or have abortions. The fathers are judged a bit differently. If they were carrying roses and palm leaves to welcome our troops, they too go to Purgitory, although they stay in a men's dorm. If they carried a sword that was not beat to a plowshare, it's Hell.

Purgitory allows them the opportunity to learn a trade that will be useful in serving Americans in Heaven. It also grants them the oppportunity to renounce everything that was once sacred to them, and to join the One True Faith. Think of Purgitory as kind of a high school detention and extra-study program for those souls who, not from being really bad, just aren't passing the Lord's Moral SAT's.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:40 AM
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16. 100,000 is a very conservative estimate....
More likely well over 200,000 and counting. Then there are the poor babies who don't die but just suffer like this fellow.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:48 AM
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18. WE are the dead in Falluja.
We just don't know it yet.

:freak:
dbt
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