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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:54 AM
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Where is Kerry?
I may be a bit impatient in this quagmire of coup #3, after all I'm just a useless eater like most.

How could this be happening? Why are people like BBV working so hard and he appears to be not for his lost votes?. I am so disheartened, so absolutely numbed. There are no heros for us.
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lucabrasi Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:03 AM
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1. My theory...
It seems to me that had Kerry come out to fight this it would be a repeat of 2000. We have the same Supreme Court and more republican/conservative players this time around. Logically, we could expect the same outcome from 2000 and things would be much harder to counter. With thousands of lawyers and with both Kerry and Edwards being lawyers it seems like the smart move is to concede and then fly under the radar.

I hope this is what is going on, it's what I would do and I'm no lawyer.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:44 AM
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5. That's what a lot of us are hoping he would do...
...and if in fact that is what Kerry is doing, it would be brilliant...let the little emperor George strut around and let down his guard...

Electoral college hasn't met yet...and if the lil emperor is coronated Jan 20th, that doesn't exempt him and his cabal from impeachment if it ever came out that there was deliberate fraud in the elections tying up to the White House...that ofcourse doesn't include the war crimes they are guilty of....

:grr:
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:04 AM
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2. Even if the Repukes...
Manage to slide by in this election, I don't see it as a defeat for our side. They are going to have to defend themselves against ourside which will continue to be united. The situaiton in Iraq and the economy is not going to improve for sometime. Shrub made this mess let him clean it up, I am gonna pop the popcorn and enjoy the show....
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:38 AM
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4. No way have they defeated us...
Its a major setback, but I for one am more committed to ever to fight and expose this administration...I'm with you...there is going to be quite a show, and it ain't going to be pretty..pass the popcorn Physio! :hi:

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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:47 AM
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6. Hiya Mama..
Long time no hear. :hi: I said this mama, but unfortunately this election was about finding out the boiling point of america and just how much they can stomach. Unfortnately they are going to learn the hard way, I say we let them.....
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:58 AM
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7. Sadly, Americans have been slow cooked the last 4 years that
...they don't even realize its already starting to boil...I fear your right and we haven't seen the worst...I saw a great quote from Frederick Douglass in reference to how a tyranny will push and push to see how far they can go until those being oppressed can take no more...At what point do Americans wake up and realize that their country and democracy has been hijacked? When will they realize the Neo-cons have teamed up with the religious right wing evangelical whackjobs? How much bloodshed is there going to be?

A revolution and attack has been declared on America and yet most cannot see it....My biggest concern is the future of my pachababies and keeping them safe....

Yeah, longtime physio...how's Seattle? I was busy the last 3 months trying to save the world and get Kerry elected...now I'm doing the same still but figuring out what next...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:15 AM
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3. jeez
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 03:16 AM by bigtree
I think folks are worn out pointing to several news stories posted here about Kerry dispatching lawyers to Ohio and elsewhere. Does he have to make himself into a media spectacle to get folks to acknowledge that he is fighting for votes? When he and the hundreds, thousands of citizens find enough votes before the electoral college meets then he will be out with it. Also there is no reason to believe that he wouldn't get behind any effort that uncovers fraud, and I would be surprised to find the former prosecutor is'nt leading many of those fights. He doesn't need to make himself the issue now. We need ground workers and citizens more than we need polarizing politicians.

Try a search of DU for the Kerry article if you are a contributor.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:11 AM
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8. I hate to throw cold water on the theories here
about how Kerry is waiting to see what happens, etc.

But I don't think so.

The vote was hacked... and in such a way that it will never be
proved. There simply isn't any audit trail. It was designed that
way on purpose. Oh sure, we can point to the more obvious voter
suppression things that happened, and maybe even to a few instances
of 6000 votes here or there, but to come up with even 150,000
votes in Ohio... or the 3 million needed to contradict a Bush
"mandate"... you have to prove that people voted one way, and the
votes were tallied another... and on a fairly massive scale (but
not more than +/- %5 percent!). But massive scale of 100s of
thousands of votes (personally, I think KKKarl engineered a vote of
at least 10 million more for Bush than actuals). Proving it
without a complete revote (at least in Ohio and Florida), this time
on paper ballots and manual counts, would be impossible. Proving
much of anything before the electoral college meets is unlikely.

Kerry realized this on Nov 3, some time in the early morning.

Nothing we can do about it but try to remove these MF'ing machines
OR we hack the vote ourselves next time (immoral, but we ARE smarter
than these clowns).
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:11 PM
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9. I think you are right...
That the vote was definitely hacked, and both sides know it.

But the enormous risk in exposing election fraud is just too big - If it is proven that elections are rigged, maybe we the sheeple won't be so willing to pay our taxes to a government we didn't elect. They Are afraid of us, you know.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:24 PM
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10. CNN said Kerry was going to make sure that all of the votes were coutnted
But didn't believe that they would make the difference. Those of you who suggest he is keeping it quiet to keep the Repuke lawyers out of Ohio may be correct.
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