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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:58 PM
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So we flattened Falujja t o save it. Deja vu.
We have ignited the east. Did you see the mosques being bblown up.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:03 AM
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1. What kinda AS*HOLE logic is that?
We KILL people to SAVE them?
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:09 AM
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2. Read your history.
We flatten villes to save them.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:23 AM
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5. Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki...
I think I missed the latest on Fallujah. Doesn't sound good though.

Holy war? Youbetcha. :cry:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:45 AM
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9. We liberated and Saved the American Indians!
Haave you forgotten?
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R3dD0g Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:11 AM
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3. We killed all the insurgents that remained in Falluja
And while we were getting permission from Allawi to attack the God forsaken town, the leaders of the insurgency were slipping away to Mosul.

It's like squeezing Jello.

Did anyone ever consider the similarity to Allawi's giving us permission to Kerry's 'international test'?

What a putz our leader is.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:14 AM
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4. Your dragging Kerry into this context is an attrocity,
Bush is your fucking leader.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:27 AM
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7. She (he?) was pointing out the hypocrisy. Remember how * harped
on Kerry wanting and "international test" and implying that Kerry would let other countries determine our security. Then, * turned right around and let the pretend Iraqi ruler call all the shots on this. That's all this person was saying.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:26 AM
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6. Satan?
He's clever, not smart. There is a difference.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:42 AM
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8. And Our Kids Keep on Dying
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 12:43 AM by Erika
for a war without a reason.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:50 AM
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10. I Wonder How Much It Will Cost Us .........
to rebuild Falujja??? And how many more cities in Iraq will we have to flatten?
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:59 AM
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11. That's my question too. How many more cities and how many more
lives? AARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
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sr_pacifica Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:24 AM
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12. I get your drift
But did the U.S. actually say it wanted to save Fallujah? I think the so-called mission was to drive out insurgents.

I think the idea here is more along the lines of some cities will have to be sacrificed to save Iraq. :(
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:28 AM
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13. You don't get "it" . Bush is bringing democracy to a hole in the ground!!
The survivors will hate America forever. FOREVER.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:45 AM
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14. We rationalized destroying villages in order to save them.
Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement by John Kerry:

"We rationalized destroying villages in order to save them. We saw America lose her sense of morality as she accepted very coolly a My Lai and refused to give up the image of American soldiers who hand out chocolate bars and chewing gum.

We learned the meaning of free fire zones, shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of orientals.

We watched the United States falsification of body counts, in fact the glorification of body counts. We listened while month after month we were told the back of the enemy was about to break. We fought using weapons against "oriental human beings." We fought using weapons against those people which I do not believe this country would dream of using were we fighting in the European theater. We watched while men charged up hills because a general said that hill has to be taken, and after losing one platoon or two platoons they marched away to leave the hill for reoccupation by the North Vietnamese. We watched pride allow the most unimportant battles to be blown into extravaganzas, because we couldn't lose, and we couldn't retreat, and because it didn't matter how many American bodies were lost to prove that point, and so there were Hamburger Hills and Khe Sanhs and Hill 81s and Fire Base 6s, and so many others.

Now we are told that the men who fought there must watch quietly while American lives are lost so that we can exercise the incredible arrogance of Vietnamizing the Vietnamese.

Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam someone has to give up his life so that the United States doesn't have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say that we have made a mistake. Someone has to die so that President Nixon won't be, and these are his words, "the first President to lose a war."

We are asking Americans to think about that because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?....We are here in Washington to say that the problem of this war is not just a question of war and diplomacy. It is part and parcel of everything that we are trying as human beings to communicate to people in this country - the question of racism which is rampant in the military, and so many other questions such as the use of weapons; the hypocrisy in our taking umbrage at the Geneva Conventions and using that as justification for a continuation of this war when we are more guilty than any other body of violations of those Geneva Conventions; in the use of free fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search and destroy missions, the bombings, the torture of prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam. That is what we are trying to say. It is part and parcel of everything.

An American Indian friend of mine who lives in the Indian Nation of Alcatraz put it to me very succinctly. He told me how as a boy on an Indian reservation he had watched television and he used to cheer the cowboys when they came in and shot the Indians, and then suddenly one day he stopped in Vietnam and he said, "my God, I am doing to these people the very same thing that was done to my people," and he stopped. And that is what we are trying to say, that we think this thing has to end.

We are here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We're here to ask where are McNamara, Rostow, Bundy, Gilpatrick, and so many others? Where are they now that we, the men they sent off to war, have returned? These are the commanders who have deserted their troops. And there is no more serious crime in the laws of war. The Army says they never leave their wounded. The marines say they never even leave their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They've left the real stuff of their reputations bleaching behind them in the sun in this country....

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