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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:17 PM
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Announcement re: Black Box Voting investigations Sat. Nov 13
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 02:23 PM by BevHarris
(first, a note :)

We are under nonstop hack attack. We need mirrors, but ONLY with the following requirements:

1. Must put these two links at top of Black Box Voting mirror information. Part of the hackers' goal is to drive people away from our site, and to reduce fundraising ability, thereby cutting into our ability to purchase recounts (Florida) and FOIA papers (nationwide).

At top of mirror, must put this info:

This information is from Black Box Voting (http://www.blackboxvoting.org ). To donate, try this page: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/donate.html . If the site is temporarily unavailable, mail to: Black Box Voting - PO Box 25552 - Seattle WA 98165.

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Thank you for your offers to host. We are tracking the perpetrators of the hacking and are not switching hosts at the moment.

Now, for the news
Please mirror, we need your help on this. Use guidelines above.

CONSUMER PROTECTION FOR ELECTIONS
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

If you have signed up to volunteer for Help America Audit go to VOLUNTEER INSTRUCTIONS (http://www.blackboxvoting.org/volunteer.html ) for most current actions. To join the cleanup crew, e-mail crew@blackboxvoting.org

BREAKING -- SATURDAY NOV 13 2004: Black Box Voting has launched a fraud audit into Florida. Three investigators (Bev Harris, Andy Stephenson, and Kathleen Wynne) are in Florida right now. We will initiate hand counts on selected counties that have not fully complied with our Nov. 2 Freedom of Information request by Monday (Diebold counties) or Tuesday (other counties).

BREAKING -- SATURDAY NOV 13 2004: We have reports that both David Cobb (Green Party) and Michael Badnarik (Libertarian Party) will be filing for official recounts in Ohio. Black Box Voting is also launching a fraud audit in Ohio. Gotta be replaced: Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell. Please invoke the following name change on Blackwell immediately, as he is 2004's Katherine Harris. He should now be referred to at all times as "Katherine Blackwell." Please retain this moniker for any future runs for governor. Latest Katherine Blackwell outrage: Failure to properly account for provisional ballots, and refusing to allow citizens to see the pollbooks.

BREAKING -- SATURDAY NOV 13 2004: Black Box Voting is implementing fraud diagnostics on the state of New Mexico. Information we recently received is indicative of widespread vote manipulation. We are not going to publicize the specifics here.

BREAKING -- SATURDAY NOV 13 2004: Black Box Voting is requesting legal assistance for a specific county in Georgia. Indications of corrupt voting processes, with possible criminal actions by local officials.

BREAKING -- SATURDAY NOV 13 2004: Black Box Voting is launching a fraud investigation on Pima County Arizona.

BREAKING -- SATURDAY NOV 13 2004: Black Box Voting is launching a fraud investigation on the state of Nevada. Pro bono legal help certified to practice in Nevada, needed immediately. Multiple irregularities. Need people to take affidavits from election workers, statewide.

FRIDAY NOV 12 2004: Ralph Nader to audit Diebold machines in New Hampshire. According to Nader, the current situation with voting machines warrants investigation. Several elements make voting machines "probative" for investigation, according to Nader, a consumer affairs lawyer: proprietary ownership, secret code, vested interests, a high-value reward, and lack of any real consequences, or likelihood of getting caught, for vote manipulation. "We are told that shenanigans are just politics," said Nader at a press conference on Nov. 10. "Well, it's not politics. It's taking away people's votes."

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A note to the naysayers, from Bev: We have made a decision not to take documents public at this time. The reasons for this are explained below. So I'll save you the time: "BBV has nothing, where is it, it's a publicity stunt, they just want to get donations, etc. etc. etc."

Believe whatever you want. All I know is that we're here in Florida working our butts off, and citizen volunteers and whistleblowers working their butts off all over the country. Time is the greatest truth-teller of all. (Que sera, sera.)

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Here's today's article
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What is a fraud audit?

A fraud audit is not the same as a recount. It does not presume innocence. It does not make the assumption that if there is an anomaly with a benign explanation, it's okay to stop investigating. Any embezzler (or vote manipulator) worth his salt will build in an explanation that makes it sound like it could be an honest mistake, or a "glitch." Any investigator worth his salt knows you have to look deeper.

Forensic auditing begins with indicators, like oddball statistics, mismatched records, or secretive, obstructive behavior. The next step is to obtain diagnostic documents. Later steps may include pulling all the ballots for hand recounts.

Bev Harris, founder of Black Box Voting, has interfaced with law enforcement, including the FBI, state attorneys-general, the IRS, local police, and banking authorities, in several previous investigations during her work as an investigative writer. Her methods for isolating fraud have resulted in convictions or settlements from embezzlers and financial fraudsters. Black Box Voting is the first publicly funded, independent consumer protection group to investigate this election using forensic auditing methods.

Irresponsible media

You may have seen recent stories in the media, and at other voting integrity Web sites, telling you there is no reason to believe suspicions of fraud in the 2004 election. In fact, no member of the media nor any organization has done any real forensic auditing to determine whether there was or was not fraud. Trust in our electoral process is critical to our democracy. We need the right kind of investigation into anomalies, using appropriate methods.

"Feel-good" statements, dismissive of real concerns into voting integrity, are not responsible. The truth is what it is. We might see something very uncomfortable unfold during these investigations. Or, maybe not. It's still too early to tell, but the evidence is mounting.

Snoopy 50-year-old women

Think of this like an assets investigation in a bad divorce: One party may have things to hide, the other party (we, the voters) wants to find out the truth. If you are looking for hidden assets owned by your ex, you don't call in a computer scientist from a university. You enlist the help of private investigators, accountants, lawyers, and your plain old common sense. In fact, snoopy 50-year-old women have proved invaluable in investigating voting machines.

This is not a computer problem. It is not something a reporter who spends four hours researching a story can pronounce judgment on. We have been surprised to see prominent scientists announcing "results" before the data is in. We don't know what happened on Nov. 2. We will find out.

Here's what Black Box Voting is doing to investigate appropriately:

We are doing forensic analysis of the available evidence. We are targeting specific locations based on criteria indicative of fraud.

Why we can't disclose our documents yet

Initially, we hoped to have everything public all the time. This resulted in butt-covering behavior on the part of public officials, which hampered our investigations. Therefore, we adjusted our methods to keep critical investigations under wraps. That's just the way it has to be right now.

Isn't it too late?

We are dealing with well financed people who are trying to run out the clock. They probably will succeed in that. However, we probably will succeed in proving fraud. What we have going for us is this:

- Public outrage: We read your letters and hear your anguish on the phone. Do not let go of those emotions. Your job is to focus those emotions into stubborn, relentless, nonstop pressure to make sure that there will be consequences for any and all electoral fraud.

- Law enforcement. There are still plenty of honest cops. Also, in our experience, different law enforcement agencies don't always get along, and where one fails us, another may not.

- We have the courts. (Somewhat.) Not all judges are unfriendly. They vote too. We can follow the example of tobacco industry lawsuits, launching many lawsuits, then sharing discovery and strategy until at last, we prevail.

- We have the media (barely). Network TV has not yet been able to get its brain around the story of electoral betrayal in a 2-minute news byte. For the time being, you must be your own "network TV." Don't count on TV to spread the word. Instead count on America's spirit of self reliance. We will prevail. Be the media.

- We have the Internet. Use it to share information at every level -- instant messaging, e-mailing, listservs, blogs, forums, Web sites, announcements, online media, online documents, film and video clips, audio clips, and any way that you can imagine to use it effectively. The Internet allows us to respond without boundaries, quickly, in unpredictable ways.

- We have truth.

# # # # #

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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:22 PM
Response to Original message
1. We can do this ourselves essentially.....
Of course, I don't mean to discount the Greens and Libertarians with whom this could not occur. I thank them for their wisdom and team work.

I specifically mean the DNC....."We the People" will make a difference. It's our country....these thugs in the Whitehorse are thieves who think they were hired for the job......We the People shall proceed to fire their asses.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. A technicality in Ohio
We have been encouraging the candidates to file for recounts because Ohio law indicates that they may be the only ones who get to examine candidate counts. The Ohio law that permits any 5 Ohioans to recount seems to be interpreted to mean they can recount an issue, not a candidate count.

That, too, is of great value and should be done. Here's why:

Many of the worst Ohio anomalies have to do with apparent poll-book fraud, provisional ballot fraud, and getting rid of ballots altogether. Thus, the number of voters, ballots, etc. is of equal relevance whether you are looking at a candidate recount or an issue recount.

And yeah. Love your spirit and your message. Do not trust to others what we can do for ourselves.

Bev
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #7
24. If you have any work that needs done....
Here in Ohio, central and southwestern area's ....I will be available. You may need to spoon feed me with start-up directions but I can kick butt with the task....I'm a quick study.

You name it. I'm ready.

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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Please e-mail
and our own Kathleen Wynne, who is from Ohio, will get you into the system

crew@blackboxvoting.org

I'll just lose your information -- the way to make sure we don't lose track of you is to email your contact info.

We definitely need OHioans to do some specific actions.

Bev
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Okay....
As soon as I'm done making meatballs and sauce.......I am a multi-tasker you see.

O8)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
10. When you see the DNC doing something, anything, let me know.
But tell me to sit down first so I don't hit the floor hard.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:22 PM
Response to Original message
2. Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The work you are doing is so important. Godspeed!
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:24 PM
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3. KICK
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:24 PM
Response to Original message
4. Bev you are a true patriot. My heart is full of gratitude for you.
:yourock:

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:25 PM
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5. Bev
I wanted to make sure you have seen this data from North Carolina -- very persuasive:

***** Unofficial Audit of NC Election: Comprehensive Case for Fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

***** More North Carolina info!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Also wanted to make sure you're aware of this (unfortunately, a lot of gold buried under some not-so-gold, but still it might be worth some of your people checking through it -- ESP for those areas where you're going to be working):

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

VOTE FRAUD Links Compendium - Thread #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. Thanks, Eloriel. North Carolina is percolating up
We will be having a meeting on North Carolina, and Colorado, and Minnesota District 6, and a couple other locations. I've got Andy and Kathleen taking a short R&R break right now, as they (and I) have worked 12-15 hours a day 7 days a week for four weeks straight. I did two coast-to-coast red-eye flights in three days this week, and they did one, with a 15-hour investigation yesterday driving all over Florida.

We are doing triage, of course. We isolated the most obvious problems that can result in a court decision and spin over to other locations, with the shortest amount of time invested.

It's overwhelming.

Bev
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #14
38. It looks like you need helpers on the ground.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:26 PM
Response to Original message
6. Thanks so much for the update Bev
does BBV activism and announcements need it's own group on DU? There are so many threads spread across so many forums that it's hard to keep track of them all (I've been e-mailing a lot of them to friends, co-workers and family). Would consolidating them all in one forum help?
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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
8. Bless you!
:yourock: :bounce: :yourock: :bounce: :yourock: :bounce: :yourock: :bounce:
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:31 PM
Response to Original message
9. I'm in South Florida and willing to help in any way I can, but
I'm leaving town tomorrow for Tallahassee. Need anything done there? I'll be there until Wed. Nov. 17

Thank you so much for everything you are doing to save our democracy!
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. ROCK!
I'm in Delray, and lemme tell y'all, my precinct had THREE voting machine to use (I live in a predominately MINORITY community) meanwhile, another precinct that mine shares the same voting place with had at least a DOZEN voting machine, and the people in that line were hardly minorites. SOMETHING REEKS TO HIGH HEAVEN AND BACK HERE FOLKS.

Lu
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:36 PM
Response to Original message
11. Bev, Kathleen and Andy: heroic - you go!
The three musketeers gallop into town...
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JohnGideon Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:38 PM
Response to Original message
13. Correction
"Ralph Nader to audit Diebold machines in New Hampshire."

This statement is not correct. They are not just auditing the Diebold optical scan machines. In fact townships that will be checked in the first stage of recounts are also ES&S optical scan users.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI...

This article states that recounts have been asked for in only 8 communities, including Litchfield and Pelham. One of those communities is Diebold and the other ES&S. Some of the other communities may be hand-count also. Hand-counted ballots are found in a large part of the state.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #13
19. Yes. Thanks, John.
There is a specific strategy at work for New Hampshire with the Nader people.

I spent part of the day with Ralph Nader on Wednesday. Obviously not a politician in personal style, just says it like it is. Very sharp guy, and with his background in consumer protection law, has really hit the ground running with this. There's more under the radar on this.

Bev
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
61. Bev, one thing that concerns me about the NH recount. I've sent Ida a
PM, but she hasn't gotten back to me yet. The recount is scheduled a day before Thanksgiving. What has Nader done to secure those ballots? I mean, I do not want any Repuketards "breaking in" those precincts and adding ballots and manipulating the ballots to make the Chimp look like he got that many votes before the recount. This is the only thing that makes me nervous. Does Nader feel confident that the ballots will be secure, or has he already taken measures? Someone on DU mentioned that he knows the Secretary of State and doesn't feel like it would be a problem. I just don't put anything past these cheating bastards! Thanks!
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Smirking_Chimp Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:39 PM
Response to Original message
15. Go Bev!
You are doing a great job. Inspirational. Please don't ever give up, we got your back.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:40 PM
Response to Original message
16. did somebody say the 'F' word???
btw, Bev or Andy.... Guy was hoping to get you on the show today. if you're seeing this btw 3-6, call in! (888-602-7500,7501,7502,7503,7504

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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:43 PM
Response to Original message
17. Go Bev!!!
:loveya:
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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:43 PM
Response to Original message
18. Go Bev!!!
:loveya:
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sweetladybug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Thanks Bev!!!!
God bless you! God protect you!
gayle
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:52 PM
Response to Original message
20. Bev -- Please call me --- URGENT!!
Love your report. Gotta talk to you ASAP. Won't take long. Please call. Will be available from 5 pm EST.

hugs,
hedda
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ispeculate Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:53 PM
Response to Original message
21. Getting the word out...
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 02:54 PM by ispeculate
I had a vinyl sign maker make this for me (url to bbv.org) YOU CAN TOO!

Check out my car!

http://www.members.aol.com/ispeculate/car1
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #21
52. You Rock!
LOVE IT

:yourock:
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Calvinist Basset Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:00 PM
Response to Original message
23. Fantastic!
As Jesus Christ declared, "The truth shall set you free." And we'll do all we can to help you uncover the truth!

Any possibility that GWB may not have his coveted second term?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. Re: GWB and second term
I can't tell you that. But I found this in the Bible today, liked it:

"Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil." -- 1 Peter 2:16
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:05 PM
Response to Original message
26. great news
What a wonderful woman! Fight on , Bev.
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shib Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. Thanks Bev!
Great work. Let me know if you need any local help with Minnesota District 6, I'm in Saint Paul.

Thanks.
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oregonjen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:11 PM
Response to Original message
28. Thank you for your hard, hard work!
Any time table as to when all your hard work will end? We are all hoping for a speedy process!!

I know it's a question that likely will not have an answer, but I keep on wishing that we can kick Bush's a** out the door!
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:15 PM
Response to Original message
29. are you getting the donations that have gone through? i've donated
twice to BBV.org in the last 7 days and i got confirmation that it went through but i'm just worried about you getting it now.
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ispeculate Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. If you got a confirmation
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 03:28 PM by ispeculate
you don't have to worry about it. Most likely they are trying to bring the site down with an overwhelming amount of "traffic" all at the same time. They are just try to exceed the server's capability.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #29
37. Yes, we are getting them.
Making a list and checking it twice. Thanks, and it is your donations that allow us to muscle county officials into behaving better. (It's hard to get them to do anything if they know you can't pay for the next step, which is a hand audit).

Bev
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. I'd be happy to donate...
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 04:51 PM by valis
But how can I verify how the money is getting spent if I donate to bbv.org? I mean, for what I know most of the money is spent on 1st class plane trips and Hilton stays (not saying that it is, just that it might)... Sorry, I trust but only if I can verify. Thanks.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #41
53. Let me tell ya about last red eye...
We were in seats that did not recline so there was no rest for the weary. Now the flight was after a 14 hour day spent working the phones doing email and generally kicking ass to protect your right to vote and to have it counted. Motel 6 is not exactly the hilton the beds are comfortable and you have a clean toilet. Now there have been a few minor incidents at Motel 6 namely the shooting in the parking lot and the odd unexplained stain in the carpet. The good news is most of the vendors have a motel 6 literally 2 block away. Very handy for investigation I must say.



BTW Welcome to DU
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. I want to know more about the stain!
:D
Ok, I'll see what my budget is and how to split it, given that there are multiple groups working on this! Thanks for the clarification regarding my question.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #57
68. Well, there was the stain, and then there was the stink
Well actually there was the stink in McKinney, as we sorted through 20 bags of garbage, the unshredded inside secrets carelessly left out, that got Diebold Elections System president Bob Urosevich fired (heh! Kathleen! You go!)

And then there was the stink in Oakland, in the Motel 6 by Sequoia. That was done before we got there, and Andy had to get another room.

Bev
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:48 PM
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33. For what it's worth, Jonathan Turley's commentary
on this type situation is that if one could prove election irregularity, the literal deadline to prevent a candidate from assuming the Office of the President is Inauguration Day. Once that oath is taken, the rules for removing that person would be the ones stipulated in the Constitution. In other words, if one literally finalized the legitimate proof of vote tampering or fixing, say January 25, 2005, one would have to follow the impeachment procedure for removing that candidate. It would not be enough to prove the person holding the office was there illegitimately.

The one exception to this would be if one could prove the literal office-holder was an accomplice (or had previous knowledge of) the fraud. I am sure that would be near to impossible to prove in this case.

I am going to mail a contribution to your PO Box. I will also try emailing the info in your thread to a couple of attorneys. Perhaps someone can recommend some qualified legal assistance in Nevada.

Thank you for all that you are doing. Perhaps eventually we can at least know the truth.
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ispeculate Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:48 PM
Response to Original message
34. Hardball on MSNBC just announced..
they are going to talk about Ohio voting irregularities. 4:48pm EST FYI
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 04:22 PM
Response to Original message
35. Great news! Congratulations to all hardworking activists!
I'll wait a little before getting too excited though. Talk of hard evidence is different from having hard evidence.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 04:22 PM
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36. And of course George Bush*s friend Alberto Gonzales will be at DOJ
replacing Asscroft, if Dems allow him to be confirmed. How much harder will this investigation and any subsequent lawsuits become? Bush* will have at the top of his internal legal team, his loyal friend Gonzales, which on a national level is the same as Harris was at the state level in 2000. The legal cards will be stacked against an open, honest investigation.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/11/10/mercer_reynol...

"Bush has already appointed White House counsel Alberto Gonzales to succeed Attorney General John Ashcroft.

"Gonzalez would become the first Hispanic to hold that cabinet position.

"He has also been at the center of developing Bush's positions on balancing civil liberties with waging the war on terrorism."

Just something for us to keep in mind. Of all of the lawsuits which the DOJ had to decide whether or not to pursue from the 2000 election debacle, it was Ashcroft who narrowed the list down to a mere 3 or 4. How many will Gonzales narrow the list down to?




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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 04:48 PM
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39. I MAILED you some money Bev
I hope it helps in some small way.

More power to you!!!

:kick:

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juliewolf Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 04:48 PM
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40. Mirror Site
I'm a web designer, but I've never done a mirror site before. I am, however, glad to create one. What do you need for specs?

--julie
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straw_citizen Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 04:51 PM
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42. Bev, will you tell someone at DU this post was per your request?
The suspicion raised by removal of last night's post by Meg Bergen http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... is still negatively affecting my email inbox and raising questions on the BBV site among concerned volunteers.

Furthermore, I emailed all contacts listed here http://www.democraticunderground.com/contact.html and SoCalDem. I even included my phone#. No one has contacted me about this at all. I realize you are swamped to the eyeballs, but volunteers need clarification immediately. A quick response here should do the job at your earliest convenience.

Next time we're asked to post an urgent request here, I'll be more pressing for supporting reasons to avoid being cut off at the knees ;.)
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wildflowergardener Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 05:35 PM
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47. I tried to get it unlocked - to explain
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 05:36 PM by mbergen
Thank you for posting. I have also tried emailing moderators here, but it's still locked. They said in the post they were locking it pending further inquiry, but since it was locked I was not able to post to answer any of the questions people had.

Well I was able to get it up in the Common Ground Common Dreams forum, so hopefully you will get some people to help from there.

Meg
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straw_citizen Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:19 PM
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50. I emailed Bev a screenshot of the original post with a link to it
That way anyone involved knows exactly what is being discussed. It is truly surprising no one called or emailed me. If I thought something was suspicious, I'd follow up every way possible.

To anyone else following this, as for why the request was not put on the front of www.blackboxvoting.org first, that was Bev's decision and not up to us. Only Bev has access to the main page. Bev will or won't see this and will find time to respond or not.

However, locking an urgent request based on unfounded suspicion and not following up is actually hurting BBV with volunteers. It would be very appreciated if someone at DU would take a few minutes to check with Bev about that request.

Thanks
Catherine
aka straw_citizen
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:02 PM
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59. I did not authorize that. Please contact me. We need to talk.
There is and has been only one authorized way to sign up for Black Box Voting, and that is the method on the front page.

Please e-mail me ALL volunteer information immediately. E-mail to crew@blackboxvoting.org . We don't need anyone building their private armies or confusing the issue.

Let's get to the bottom of this. I will send you a private email and you can share with me what you know about this.

Bev
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:09 PM
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60. Again, I do not know who that email goes to. It was not authorized.
Whoever knows anything about it, please call me immediatedly on my cell phone - 206-335-7747.

Bev Harris
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wildflowergardener Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:02 PM
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62. Well I am really confused now.
Bev,
I tried to email you in response to your message to me, but it said mailbox full, so I will try to explain here.

I posted that message based on a request by someone named Andy, which was given to your moderator Catherine. The different email addresses were used, because there was some confusion as to whether the email was getting through or not, and they wanted to make sure they could get the information to you as quickly as possible - because they were told it was an urgent request from you.

I apologize for any confusion. All I am is someone who offered to volunteer to help, and was extremely confused trying to figure out what help was needed as far as counties to be analyzed (based on the email you sent out - I didn't know where to look to see what had already been done). I contacted the only person that I'd actually gotten a response from at BBV about volunteering questions, Catherine, and while attempting to figure out what counties to type in, (I did do missouri cause I couldn't figure out what else was needed)I was asked to do this and believed it was your request - so I did it.

I will make sure that anyplace that I posted what I thought was your request, knows it is not.

Catherine said she had just talked to you, so I won't attempt to call you. That's really all I know about the whole situation anyway.
Meg Bergen
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:21 PM
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64. Zow! We are all confused here. Hope the entire operation is not like this!
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. OK. Have tracked this down. A note to volunteers --
It is true that our communication system was overwhelmed last week, in part due to a hack of our database and rapid communication system, which we have now rebuilt.

We had too much happening at once, and some internal wires may have been crossed too. Just a note, though: Volunteers, it is important not to set up email accounts in order to help us, without express written permission from Bev Harris only. Also, despite the password, which has now been given to me, I still can't get into either that account or the blackboxvoting@hotmail.com account. I need full access to both.

Catherine, email me all the account information, including setup and information on how to set new passwords for both accounts.

There should be no emails going to accounts that have not been expressly authorized by me. Thanks.

Bev
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:05 PM
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54. I will send you something and you Go Girl
Go!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 04:57 PM
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43. Kick ass Bev!
:kick:
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Applan Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 05:04 PM
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44. Please keep updating your website Bev
Bev,
Thankyou so much for the work you are doing, I am absolutely convinced that you are doing the right thing and lots of good is going to come of it.
I would like to make one comment and I know you have been extremely busy so please don't take this as a criticism. Your website is obviously drawing lots of attention, even my brother in England had heard of it and a I'm sure a ton of people are going there seeking information.
Can you please keep it up to date. If I were more computer savvy, I would volunteer to help.
Thanks for the latest news, the tide is turning.
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 05:12 PM
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45. One thing stands out
to me.

If the voters went so far "right" in those critical states why did this phenomenon not happen in ultra right wing West Michigan. Why did the Dems match or increase their votes in conservative Grand Rapids, East Grand Rapids and other areas where there are more churches per square mile than any other place in the nation?

If this was truly a mandate on morals then it should have shown up in the votes in Calvinist West Michigan. It didn't. Even though there were long lines and plenty of Republican challengers (white) in African American polling locations why did Dems do better in 2004 than in 2000. If this was the answer in Florida, Ohio and other must win states then why not here.

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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:28 PM
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65. I'd be interestd in the type of machinery used.
go to verifiedvoting.org and search by county, if I knew the counties these towns were in I would do it myself.

The discrepancies and deviations from exit polls and party affiliation have been shown by various people here to be linked to DREs and optical scans. At verified voting, click on maps, then pick and state and then pick your counties, a click on each one will show you the machinery.
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 05:15 PM
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46. Nader said it well
Currently the reward for cheating is extremely high, there is no easy way to verify that cheating did not take place, and bad consequences for cheating are very unlikely (and so perceived as minimal).
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Be Brave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 05:36 PM
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48. Kick. Thank you Bev! n/t
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shib Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:01 PM
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49. Regarding Ohio
Are the GP/Lib Party requesting a hand recount?
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:45 PM
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56. Yes...however
the Ohio SoS office gets to choose the recount method.
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:52 PM
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58. What? you mean they could simply rerun them through the scanners
and just compare the final results ? That's ridiculous... At minimum, the recount should be done on different machines that do not rely on centralized software counting...
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kristndem Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:37 PM
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51. You Go!!!!
made my donation, Hope it helps!
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:25 PM
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55. All replies for volunteers should be routed through
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:14 PM
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63. Thank you SO much! & small idea
As soon as my check clears the bank tomorrow, you will see a donation.
Idea: bumperstickers that say :BE THE MEDIA
already out there?

"In order to live freely and happily, you must sacrifice boredom.It is not always an easy sacrifice"--Richard Bach
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:07 PM
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67. A note: Black Box Voting Inc. is a 501c(3) nonprofit.
It is the ONLY "Black Box Voting Cleanup Crew" or "BBV Cleanup Crew."

We're the ones in Florida setting up recounts. One has to wonder why other individuals have decided to give themselves an identical name, if their motives are as pure as they say.

I would hope that Democratic Underground does not sanction this type of behavior.

Groups should do whatever they want, but under their own trade names. You cannot believe how much work has gone into setting up Black Box Voting, building a trade name, and establishing a volunteer base of over 10,000 people. It sickens me to see others come in to confuse the issue in this way. We all need to work on cleaning up elections, and these types of turf wars are profoundly inappropriate.

Bev Harris
Executive Director
Black Box Voting (the real one)
Cleanup Crew (the real one)
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
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Northwestmom4Kerry Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:53 AM
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69. You're a true heroine!
Bev, I am new to the DU site, but I do want to express my gratitude and admiration for what you are doing. It's because of you and the work you are doing, that so many of us feel hopeful about the future. I have donated to your site and will do so again. You are amazing! Once you get this vote thing squared away, I hope you consider a run for the Senate!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:47 AM
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70. .
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