If you honestly think the election was stolen

[Mick Knox]

out from under the noses of the Kerry campaign, or more likely, if true, with their help...

What on earth makes you think you can do something about it goofing around on the internet playing with blogs?

Well I guess if it makes you feel better - do it - why not? Its an outlet.

But there WILL be 4 more years of death, and there aint a damn thing you or Michael Moore or anyone else can do about it.

If there was any power in that mix, we would have won.

[JohnnyCougar]

1. Investigations are now pending because od the stink we raised.

Olbermann is talking about it, AAR is talking about it, Nader is requesting a recount in NH and getting money from us, Cobb is trying to recount Ohio, a Rep from FL is going to the FBI, Bev Harris is working on BBV....

You sound too defeatist for comfort to me.

[Ducks In A Row]

2. so maybe you should enlist in the army, go to Iraq, show us how it's done

[aquart]

3. "With their help"??????????????????????????????????????

Could we be snider or smarmier?

Oh, and why are YOU here btw? Got lost on your way someplace else?

[Mick Knox]

5. Thats right, if it was stolen, DNC Helped

Because they are sure quiet.

Kerry sure did quit quick and we had thousands of people THOUSANDS monitoring this election.

How else do you explain it?

Oh yeah, Kerry is planning a top secret coup and is going to ride in like a knight in shinning armor.

:eyes:

This election is over - anything else will just seem like sour grapes.

Hell they got away with it when they lost the PV - this - this is a done deal.

[merh]

8. see below

ElizabethEdwards (8 posts) Sun Nov-07-04 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #123

588. Trust is hard to come by, I know


Thanks for your best wishes. And it really is me. I posted in response to a post from someone who graduated from the high school I graduated from -- and I don't think that high school is mentioned in anything published about me, to confirm that it is me.

And I signed up the regular way, because I am just a regular poster -- I had signed up some time ago and posted, before the recent "fame" under my first screen name, but felt that I shouldn't hide when posting during the campaign. But the campaign got hectic so fast, and when I had access to a computer I posted on the Kerry blog first, and though I usually read DU, I didn't post then.

I do think someone from DU confirmed with the campaign that this is me.

And as for voter fraud, we are still piecing together the same stuff you are piecing together. I know that the two candidates had been assured that everything was in place -- and there was certainly a lot of visibility. I can't yet blame the people in the field who I believe were working hard to stop the election from being stolen. I don't think -- even in our frustration (and no one is more frustrated than we are) -- that we can say "the Democratic leaders did NOTHING to prevent the election being stolen."

[Old and In the Way]

4. Kerry complicit in his own defeat....good one.

Waste 2 years of his life, mortgage his house, take all this SBL BS, so he can conspire with Bush to do himself in. Edwards had to be in on it to, I think.

[hlthe2b]

6. and your answer is............................?

Sanctimoneous posts like this are nothing more than self-serving crap, IMO. What exactly do YOU have to offer that is remotely constructive, pray tell?

[Gelliebeans]

7. Can I just ask you a question?

You don't think the election was stolen or you don't think votes were tampered with?
The reason I ask is because I believe the votes were tampered with. As to whether the election was stolen would depend on proof of voter tampering.
I personally am not just goofing around on the internet, I have been busy writing letters to my congressmen and women and writing letters to NASED (National Association of State Election Directors) these people certified voting machines without testing them for penetration analysis. If you have tried to hack into the GEMS system it's pretty easy to manipulate have a go at http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
its in zip format

[Ann Arbor Dem]

9. How condescending...

Do you understand that this "goofing around on the internet playing with blogs" is exactly how the voter fraud is getting noticed? Welcome to the 21st century.

What is it with all of these defeatist posters? :eyes:

[Mick Knox]

10. Kerry Really Won!!!!

there I've contributed.

I'm just sick of the tin hat crap personnally.

People need to get real and start looking at our platform and party and message and stop fucking around with shit like this, that WILL NOT help.. thats just my .02, probably worth less - but no one wants to talk about the real stuff.

We'll keep on talking about voter fraud. It worked so well the last 4 years.

[Senior citizen]

21. Come off it.

You mean our candidate wasn't pro-war enough, or enough of a religious zealot to appeal to the nonexistent voters that BBV magically produced out of thin air to vote for the chimp? That we should stop talking about unauditable voting machines and nonexistent voters, and try shoving Cheney and Franco and Mussolini and Hitler out of the way so we can move further to the right?

Or maybe we should "get real" and stick to the right wing talking points that the mass media wants us to think are mainstream?

The FRAUD is the real stuff. And we're on it.

As for the nonexistent voters and the media-manufactured consent--that's the stuff that's not real, so it is a waste of time to try to cater to it, placate it, or pretend that it's important. The Democrats should not have run a pro-war candidate. The pro-war people already had a candidate. Trying to outpuke the pukes is the real waste of time. By running a pro-war candidate, the Democrats said that they weren't going to give us a real choice, so we busted our butts working for a choice we should have known wasn't real, and guess what? It turned out not to be real.

In addition to supporting Bev & Andy and the whole BBV crew, I'm reregistering Green and going to put as much energy as I can into local Green Party politics. I don't care if they don't appeal to pro-war voters. I'm against the war, the Greens are against the war, and I'm not wasting my energy supporting pro-war parties or candidates again.

[Ann Arbor Dem]

23. We'll talk about voter fraud right now because it's time to...

take the election officials et al. to task for the unconscionable way the election was handled. Who said we will be talking about it for the next four years? The immediate issue is fraudulent voting in the U.S., whether you like it or not. This IS the "real stuff" at this point in time.

The next step is to examine the party and figure out what needs to be changed.

You are projecting.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

18. I wonder the same thing ...

[alittlelark]

11. Nixon was impeached due to the Watergate debacle

that occurred prior to his re-election. This is bigger than Watergate BY FAR!

And, do you really want a congressional SUPERMAJORITY? They will have one in 2006 w/ BBV - unless WE DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!

[IdaBriggs]

12. I'm doing something. Want to help? I'm SWAMPED!

The Nader campaign has agreed to request recounts (MANUAL, thank you very much!) every where he has standings. One of the other third party candidates is filing for Ohio. Lawsuit challenging Nevada will be filed (I think) tomorrow. Deadlines this week (so far as I understand them) are:

TUES Alaska By Candidate or 10 Voters
TUES Maine By Candidate
TUES Montana By Candidate
WED New Mexico By Candidate
THUR Missouri (Maybe Court Challenge Req?)
THUR Utah By 10 Voters Per Precinct?

As for Kerry, he's a flip-flopper and I'm okay with that; he'd better flip his floppy ass out soon to come help with this effort, too! (I'm hoping he just needed a bit of a breather -- its been a rough couple of weeks!)

In the meantime, ITS NOT OVER UNTIL *I* SAY ITS OVER, AND I SAY ITS NOT OVER YET. :)

Best, Ida
EFDAT Coordinator
(That means Election Fraud Data Analysis Team)

[Mick Knox]

13. Let the candidate challenge it

If he wants too.

wouldnt that be easier?

Whats the deal.

If E. Edwards suspects fraud why arent they screaming to high heaven?

Why are they quitting after 1 day?

[Carolab]

14. Bitching won't help

why not see what you can do that's actually productive instead

[IdaBriggs]

24. What part of MY VOTE didn't you get?

Did I mistakenly give you the idea that I've been getting one iota of help from anything resembling this Democratic Party Leadership of which you speak? NOT! The stuff I listed in my earlier message has come from MY hard work -- done while I've been suffering from bronchitis, on no sleep for two days -- with the help of other grass roots people, working to convince anyone who will listen that I'm making sense while the politicians are off recovering from what they think is a sound ego thrashing.

And you know something? I'm okay with that! While the DNC and the "leaders" of the team are busy ignoring the problem (yes, there is fraud, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a tin-foil hat thing unless you don't want to believe we programmers are capable of making mistakes) I'M DOING SOMETHING! I've got their back, and when they have recovered, I expect them to get back to work again since I don't want to do the political bullshit myself. In the meantime, I just had a polite shout down with one of the party people where I explained to them it didn't matter if Kerry doesn't want a recount -- I DO!

You seem to forget who the REAL boss of this situation is, because its NOT Kerry or Bush -- its that whole "We the People" and I'M THE PEOPLE.

Any other complaints you want everyone else to do something about while you put forth zero effort because you're done now? Its okay if you need a break, but just be aware you're expected back on the job of helping to run the country again pretty quick!

[Mick Knox]

25. DAAAAAAAAMN!!!!

Good post.. I'll retreat to my hole now.

I know when I've been whupped.

Best of luck!

[IdaBriggs]

27. Thank you. I'm serious about the help, though.

With your writing skills, you make an excellent advocate, so please get to work sending stuff out about the New Hampshire recount, and how its the tip of the iceberg, blah, blah, blah. I do NOT trust these machines (probably because I am a programmer), and I want a nationwide hand recount so NO ONE EVER tries to pull this paperless crap EVER again! :) Best, Ida

[Carolab]

15. What do you need?

I'm not much with stats but I can research--give me an assignment

[IdaBriggs]

26. Money & Publicity & Pressure -- What DU does best!

1 - Money for the Nader campaign in every way possible that you can think of to talk it up. New Hampshire raised the cost of doing a statewide recount from $1K Friday morning to $80-100K Friday evening. 50 States is going to take a lot of cash (Nader only has standings in 34, but I think the other 3rd parties are going to help out).

2 - Publicity for the New Hampshire recount; the whole 4:59 thing was a mad scramble like you wouldn't believe. We're appealing to their patriotism like crazy, plus there is a legal challenge, and everybody agreed to talk Monday morning because it was just plain crazy with the fax machine stuff. The more people are petitioning the New Hampshire Attorney General and the New Hampshire Secretary of State to let this happen, the quicker we can get the numbers done there. Call, fax, write, e-mail everyone and anyone -- honest to God, its working! Bev said there's a media lockdown in another thread, but I'm hoping we can still get this out there....

3 - Start beating up on the Dem leadership for them to support the recount / fraud investigation effort. They've got the money and, unless they are all off in Tijuana spending it, it will help pay for the resources we need.

Remember when everyone said "this is the most important election of my life?" Its not over yet. I know its pretty dark right now, but I haven't given up yet! (I'm kind of stubborn.) Spread the word! :)

[pacalo]

16. LOL! You go, girl! :)

[Carolab]

19. GO Ida, Ralph and David

You're AWESOME

[mountainvue]

17. People who tell me I can't do it

only drive me harder to make me prove I'm wrong.

[Mick Knox]

20. Keep up the good work

Its a good start.

[ConsAreLiars]

22. You retain your credentials

in opposing progressives, science and the search for truth. Any other words of wisdom? Maybe a favorite quote from Strauss?

I, for one, can not gloat in the prospect of four more years of slaughter, nor denounce efforts to combat this likely outcome of the election. You may choose to revel in the victory of th4e neocon-fundie alliance. I will fight it and support those like Moore who do the same.

Your implication that the Democratic Party needs to become more like the cons is repulsive.