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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:03 AM
Original message
BBV: Help America Audit -- 5 Things You Can Do Immediately
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:15 AM by BevHarris
I was tipped off by a person very high up in TV that the news has been locked down tight, and there will be no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2. Even the journalists are pretty horrified. My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time, and he was calling from somewhere else. He was trying to figure out how to get the real news out on vote fraud.

This is a person I've worked with off and on for nearly two years, and the voice was so somber it really bothered me.

At any rate -- and perhaps, especially important due to the tipoff above, there are things you can do to take back America.

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We have a different list for lawyers, computer people, statisticians. But if you are a regular person like most of us, and want to help, here's what to do.

Please distribute: If you have not done so already, sign up at Black Box Voting -- http://www.blackboxvoting.org -- to audit the election and deal with vote fraud.

HELP AMERICA AUDIT: 5 Things You Can Do Right Now to Reclaim Democracy

Youre our greatest hope. If you choose to accept it, your job is to spread the word in order to build a fast-growing grass roots movement -- a voting integrity project so powerful that it cannot be mowed down.

1. BE THE MEDIA -- See below.

2. CRUNCH THE NUMBERS: Discrepancies please, and hurry. E-mail them to tips@blackboxvoting.org . Pass the word. Need source documents, too. ASAP. Follow your nose, or join the Black Box Scavenger Hunt: Pick a county. Look at small counties, as we are seeing many discrepancies in those. Look in any state. Get the official number of registered voters, Dem and Republican. Get the number of votes cast on Nov. 2, Republican and Dem. Make a grid like this, filling in the right numbers:

# reg. voters % # votes cast %
Rep 100 33% 150 50%
Dem 200 67% 150 50%
Totl 300 100% 300 100%

We can find out a lot from this procedure, very hard data, that will make a real difference. As soon as you have finished a county, e-mail it to us. Do as many counties as you can.

3. HAVE A HOUSE PARTY: Show the film Votergate (the real one, which you can download for free at www.Votergate.tv .) Organize Be the media actions and set up investigative teams to help dig up information like you have in #2. Timeline is NOW, to get action before seating the electoral college.

4. HELP CONNECT THE WIRES: Hook Black Box Voting (.ORG) up with powerhitters you know, people who can make things happen.

5. DONATE to any of 3 organizations: Black Box Voting (.ORG), the consumer protection group for elections; or the new recount fund (information upcoming, contact DU's Hedda_Foil), or send contribution to Votergate.tv (The REAL Votergate film, by Russell Michaels, Robert Carrillo Cohen, and Simon Ardizzone. There is another by someone else, make sure you get the right one.) The real VOTERGATE is the most powerful investigative film on this topic, and consequently it has been attacked and blocked repeatedly. They deserve your support.

HOW TO BE THE MEDIA

Dont expect to see vote burglary on TV. To get the message out fast, youre going to have to become the underground railroad. Do it now. Take pictures of each other doing it. Have house parties to show others how to do it. Heres how to be the media.

BE YOUR OWN REPORTER: We will send you new information as we get it. We need your e-mail to get you on the list, so if a friend sent this to you, please shoot an email to crew@blackboxvoting.org to sign up.

Spread the information we send you to every blog, listserv, forum you know and throughout your personal network. Talk about it at work and to people you meet everywhere, lots, quickly, all the time.

SELF SERVE SOUND BITES: Frequent, very short messages to immediately increase public awareness. Assume you wont see it on TV.
Put vote fraud related messages on:
- Yard signs
- Car windows
- Write them on duct tape and wear them
- Print REMOVABLE stickers and stick them on things:
- Bathroom door at the gas station.
- On telephone poles in the dead of night
- At bus stops
- On the back of bus seats
- Stick them into your junk mail and send it back via return mail
- Slip them into menus at restaurants
- Leave them in books at the bookstore
- Share new self serve sound bite ideas with us and well send them out with new messages.

ELECTION TRUTH TOURETTES. Please excuse the political incorrectness, as it is not meant to be hurtful. It is for a good purpose. This the antidote to watch what you say. It is a good icebreaker at a party. Have your guests make up truths, like those below, and mix them into the conversation at surprise times throughout the party. Unexpectedly and urgently blurt them out:

Recount!
Electile Dysfunction!
Gotta audit-Gotta audit-Gotta audit
Florida!
--mathmatically impossible!--
Count all the votes! Count all the votes! Count all the votes!
Votefraud.
Paperballots! Handcounts!
--wheres my vote?--
Wheres the paper?
Feel free to interchange and mix it up, or even try a game where different people have to interject with different truths.
- WHO REALLY WON -- I DUNNO -- GOTTA AUDIT!

Also, here are more ideas.
- Magnetic signs for your car
- If you know a trucker, have them put a message in the window as they drive across the county.
- Make a patch and put it on the front of your baseball cap
- Carry a sign and stand in the window outside the Today Show

If we have to be our own media, so be it. We will not sacrifice democracy just because TV executive producers have a problem with this issue.

# # # # #

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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:06 AM
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1. I've got your back, Bev!
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:06 AM by NightTrain
Last night I donated to BBV. And I host a political talk show on college radio. My next show is dedicated entirely to a post-mortem on the "election."

I'll do one more thing right now. Bev, if you'd like to be interviewed on my show some time, drop me a P.M. People need to know about this bullshit, the sooner the better!
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:06 AM
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2. I fucking like it.
Here we go!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #2
25. You Do Say Fuck Alot.... LOL!
someone noticed that in another thread and it true :D
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #25
31. Not really.
It's about the goddamn same as everyone else.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #31
79. Oh yes
...you fucking do. It's a trademark. I'm really beginning to like it.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #31
203. Randi Listener
just discovered cussing,like a 4 year old does, and wants to brag about the new words he's learned.

GO BEV HARRIS! This rocks, and funny enough, I put over 20 stickers up 2 days before the elections in very "interesting" places, over half of them are still up.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #203
220. Then you may want to study its many uses...
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #203
268. fuckin' A
:hi:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #25
166. These are fucked times
I find myself using this word and it's variations an awful lot since November 2nd and I've noticed others doing it too. It's a form of truth telling.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:08 AM
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3. Pooter folks on the way, Bev.
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:09 AM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
Real ones. With reps. Cred. Degrees. Track records. Understand scientific method.

On edit: It took one email. Just one.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:10 AM
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4. Sent money yesterday
sent offer to you on waht I can do

And sent this to my email friends
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:14 AM
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5. Just The Fact That The Media Has Been "Locked Down" Is Proof
Enough for me that the election was stolen and the "powers that be" are running scared!
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #5
90. My thoughts exactly!
WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #5
101. You bet your sweet ass.
:mad:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:16 AM
Response to Original message
6. Nominate this thread for the front page!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. Done, thanks for that very simple reminder
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:20 AM
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8. What has the journalists horrified?
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:20 AM by Cobalt Violet
The obvious Fraud or being locked down? :(
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #8
12. The lockdown.
And I heard this, from a 20-year veteran journalist:

"This needs a recall. An impeachment. It's got to be stopped."

Bev
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #12
27. Whoa! I know some journalists and...
That is a rare occurrance, when they are on the job. Not easy to get a rise out of them like that.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #27
30. Yup. Others are concerned also
A reporter for a large newspaper said to me, "so it's really true. I knew it was true. God, I've been living in a bubble." And then he just said, "Well, it is what it is. It's just the state of media today."

That wasn't a glib last line. It was said in sort of a shellshocked way.

I have never, NEVER had journalists from the big media outlets express anything like this to me before.

Bev
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #30
37. Ladies and Gentlemen:
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:48 AM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
The State of The America Media Union. In one line. By what may be the guy Diogenes was running around with that lamp about.

THAT is all you really need to know.

On edit: And you can lay some of the blame for this at the feet of the phrase they are whipsawed with: "Liberal Media". They have flinched one too many times.
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #37
49. Can the musicians get this out into the mainstream?
If the media won't do it can the musicians do it at concerts or will the promoters cancel their shows?

I don't remember living in a time that we had no media coverage at all.

Something has to be done and Bush and his minions all need to be locked up and put in jail over in Iraq.

I can't believe that we are living in the movie 1984 :cry:

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #49
172. My sig line shares a similar sentiment, sort of

It's not 2004, it's not even 1984, it's 1934 and I am NOT a good German.

Terri (2004)
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:01 AM
Response to Reply #37
103. What I don't get is what is so wrong with reporting the truth?
I ran into a lady today who actually thinks Bill Clinton was a mass murderer. Do you remember those rumors? I was a Republican at the time and I didn't even buy them then. I picked up David Brock's book and couldn't get through it. It made me physically ill when I learned what had been done to Clinton by the far right. He still isn't my favorite president, but JESUS!
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signmike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #103
222. and worse
I heard a woman complaining about how the Clintons had stolen original artwork out of the White House and defecated on Abe Lincoln's desk. Imagine -- she votes!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #30
39. Print media has been locked down, too?
If so, we need the BBC, the CBC, and all the foreign print media we can get. The Mirror, the Toronto papers, all of them. Think we have a chance with them?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #39
48. Print media is a bit muffled, but not locked down. Radio alive and well
In fact, copy the "5 things you can do" and fax it to your local radio stations. Radio is turning into a bastion of freedom on this issue.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #48
54. Will do
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 01:00 AM by txindy
I'll go after all the print media I can locate in the US, Canada, UK, Australia, and other countries. Radio, too.

Thanks, Bev. I knew those talking heads (with several exceptions, esp. Keith!) on TV were useless, but this is amazing. It does make it more of a challenge, though, and I LOVE a challenge! :evilgrin:
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:28 AM
Response to Reply #54
93. Any Howard Stern listeners out there?
He would be LIVID.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #54
105. Maybe a LTTE would work?
That's what I'll do!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #105
153. A letter like that would be wonderful
Don't just send it to your local paper, though, also BCC: it to all of the major newspapers and foreign press. Point them to our links, the collective links. We can't let this story slow down, not for a moment.

Sy Hersh is the one we need. The man who broke the Abu Ghraib story is the man who would break this one open in a heartbeat. We need to find a way to get this info. to him today.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #153
284. I've been so busy with my CD that I forgot about the LTTE
I'm planning on re-doing the ISO of my CD soon. As information flows in, I'm finding some good things to add.

http://ladyhawk.landmarkwebhosting.com
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rmf Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #54
295. The Economist/ Respected
The Economist might be interested in this story. Even though
they are a conservative magazine based out of England, they
are non-partisan and very well respected. 

http://www.economist.com/countries/ 

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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:02 AM
Response to Reply #48
104. Local radio is nothing but right-wing bluster. Sorry. :(
nt
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:03 AM
Response to Reply #48
125. I don't care for him but you might consider contacting Howard Stern
RC
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #39
63. Exactly! The US media has been given their 'marching orders" per se...
so go to the foreign media in Canada and elsewhere! Send what you have to the following re Canadian media, programs which have covered bush's history, the facts on the patriot missile, the truth about Abu Graib, etc.:

CTV's WFive - an excellent investigative program
http://www.ctv.ca/wfive

CBC's The Fifth Estate - EXCELLENT investigative programming, if you have the facts, they will look at them I have little doubt!

http://www.cbc.ca/programguide/program/index.jsp?progra...
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #63
70. Well, thank you, Canada!
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 01:15 AM by txindy
I went to university in Canada and, although that was many years ago, I remember how good the media was there, both print and television. Even the university paper put most MSM here to shame.

Thanks for the links! If you can find any others (e.g., Toronto papers, Vancouver papers, etc.), I would greatly appreciate it. :hi:
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #70
72. Try this source for foreign media information....
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #72
74. Oh, that link is GREAT! Thanks!
:toast:

:hi:
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ballcap1776 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #39
195. They have been reporting it a bit
But they've had trouble getting information out of anyone...it's that Bushbot rhetoric that that them dang ferriners are bad news. So even the BBC is having a time getting answers and numbers to crunch. A friend of mine at the Beeb said they just can't get a grip on the story, even though they know it is there.
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RuleofLaw Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #39
209. Yes it has
The day after the election, the St. Pete Times's editorial stated that we had no election problems! Since then there has been not one mention of election problems in the paper.
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #30
67. So there is something that will hit a nerve
too bad they don't have the guts to do something about it.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #30
73. What the hell are these people thinking?
This is our Democracy. They are stealing it. Won't somebody stand up for it? (Besides Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy?)
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:04 AM
Response to Reply #73
106. It's like they think our tinfoil hats are too tight or something...sigh nt
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #30
80. Do they not realize their combined power and strength?
Individually they don't have much of a chance but if these bigger media people would just band together they can't fire em all. Or kill em all.

I don't get why they don't do that :shrug: They know what's going is wrong and in the end, they'll suffer the just same as us common folk, or worse.
:-(

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #80
85. yep
The irony is that the Bushes despise the press. Despise.

And yet Rove cracks his whip and screams a little bit and they capitulate.

Don't they know that they will be the first to be eliminated as the regime clamps down?
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:41 AM
Response to Reply #85
97. A sad and SICK irony
They are fools not to realize their combined power. Add the tens of millions upon millions of people, not only here in the US but globaly, that would completely be supportive of their efforts and there's nothing the ruling elites could do to stop them.

It's like battered wife syndrome or stockholm syndrome or something. It's sick :-(
And it's frustrating as Hell :grr:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #85
189. The Corporate Media Doesn't Care
They will consolidate into one, huge, propaganda machine instead of the 5 or 6 they are now.

The corporate leaders DON'T CARE. They will get their huge salaries and the people employed will be let go. They will even dare to outsouce the offices and technical part of it because in this day and age, they can.

They are not, "The Liberal Media" and they never really have been. That's all a crafted campagin to push people into thinking that, so they can skew the message ever more to the right, instead of airing objective journalism. When they rant against the "Liberal Media," they are doing it to kill objective journalism.

And they are doing it by hijacking the publics' airwaves. All of those TV channels belong to the public. The public is being denied any access at all.

The "act" against the media is part of the ploy. If it wasn't an act, the media would have tarred and feathered the beast long ago.

The "journalists" take their marching orders. Some of them, like some in the CIA and military, are not happy about it.

At the point they are unhappy enough to buck the current system is when you'll see some change- until the Bush-friendly corporate machine clamps down on them.

Be your own media and use what's left night and day to get the message out.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #85
299. The media are owned by Conservatives
They're part of the same group that stole the election. They've been in cahoots with these thieves ever since the beginning. Haven't you ever wondered WHY Dub, inarguably the worst president we've ever had, could get away with the shenanigans, blunders, crappy policy decisions, in short, the fleecing of us Americans with impunity?? Remember how the press hammered Clinton and Nixon?? Remember what a scandal Watergate was?? Now we have a team of crooks in charge and not one peep out of the media. Go to www.mediamatters.org (run by David Brock, a former right-winger turned liberal) if you want to get the real stories about the outrageous bias that exists in the mainstream media.

They're lying now-- acting as if the Dem party is on its last legs, saying how much we blew it, etc. WRONG!!! They want us to fold up and go away!! Dub "won" by one of the (if not the) narrowest margins in history for an incumbent president!! It was no landslide and those bastards are acting as if it were!! They create their own reality, then try to pound it into us. Don't let them!!
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illuminaughty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #30
91. We were at a party at a theatre election night
they had 3 screens going. Everyone I've talked to has noted the faces of the journalists on CNN and MSNBC. Right wing radio said it looked as though they were going to get sick...you know because they're sooo liberal and they didn't want to call the states for Bush

What we saw were nervous journalists who were rendered almost speechless. I wish I had taped it because there's a point when the numbers changed and they knew something was up.

It's a coup. And we need to be the military to overthrow it.
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #91
266. i noticed it too...
I went in reading the web thinking much like I had been leading up to Tuesday..then something changed with the reporting of the states and I could tell something was different in the tones of the voices...I had a bad feeling..

I was up ALL night...and when my husband woke up to go to work he said "he lost huh" I said "it was stolen" and he just rolled his eyes and thought I was paranoid...but now...I don't feel like that...THIS needs to be reported on..Keith Olberman will be a hero...can you believe it? I LOVE him but with all the media we have...one guy stands up and starts the ball...and nobody else will touch it..I keep waiting..for the story to break..and it doesn't.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #91
282. Me, three...
I was watching MSNBC and the networks and noticed that the anchors and reporters looked shocked (and almost scared). I found that infuriating, because they were the ones that helped create those results by shilling for BushCo for four years. Really, how could they be surprised? Don't they have a clue about the influence they have? Those were the natural consequences of reinforcing BushCo lies and ignoring national and world events that were truly important.

The only news programs I have continued to watch since then, are Countdown, C-Span, NOW and Frontline.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #30
95. Keith Olbermann said on his blog today (yesterday now) that he was
going to discuss election fraud Monday and Tuesday on Countdown. I've already given the link to many people.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240
<snip>
Keith Olbermann blog Nov. 7, 2004

This is mentioned because there is a small but blood-curdling set of news stories that right now exists somewhere between the world of investigative journalism, and the world of the Reynolds Wrap Hat. And while the groups ultimate home remains unclear - so might our election of just a week ago.
Stories like these have filled the web since the tide turned against John Kerry late Tuesday night. But not until Friday did they begin to spill into the more conventional news media. Thats when the Cincinnati Enquirer reported that officials in Warren County, Ohio, had locked down its administration building to prevent anybody from observing the vote count there.Thus the majority of the media has yet to touch the other stories of Ohio (the amazing Bush Times Ten voting machine in Gahanna) or the sagas of Ohio South: huge margins for Bush in Florida counties in which registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans 2-1, places where the optical scanning of precinct totals seems to have turned results from perfect matches for the pro-Kerry exit poll data, to Bush sweeps.
We will be endeavoring to pull those stories, along with the Warren County farce, into the mainstream Monday and/or Tuesday nights on Countdown.


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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:41 AM
Response to Reply #95
128. More like going to DIScount voter fraud on Mon-Tues

The media is laughing about it, not giving it any serious scrutiny. MSNBC wrote a story on my intial post and said it was tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. They aren't even performing cursory investigative work.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:53 AM
Response to Reply #128
130. If you look at Olberman's blog entry...
...it sure doesn't sound like he's discounting it.

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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #30
267. B.S.
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 11:17 PM by slutticus
These "reporters" need to grow a sac, with all due respect, and do their FUCKING JOBS!!!!!!!

This is a disgrace. Don't they have any dignity?

Please...beg them to do their jobs.......

Please?
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BernieBear Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:33 AM
Response to Reply #12
94. Bev, it's time for journalists to reclaim themselves
They've all made enough money -- now it's time for them to reclaim the integrity they've lost during the "infotainmentizing" of the news. They must all as one, stand up and tell this story. Together we must all take back Democracy and they are supposed to be at the forefront of Democracy. That's there role. Getting that which is hidden out into the light of day.

They must find the courage that led them to this field. Today could be each of their finest hours. They must come forward now.

BernieB
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #12
155. There were THREE stories in the Charlotte Observer
on computer voting snafus Friday, one took the top half of the front page, then there was another front page on one of the sub-sections then a great article explaing why there were 4000 more votes than voters (which the repukes caught Thursday, which tells me they are watching the computer results like a hawk, ready to pounce if results are not in their favor). It turns out that the early voting results were all downloaded from their respective machines to a central computer and the boe thinks some results were downloaded twice. How's that for a new scheme, download results from a 'certain' precinct into the computer an extra time or too to get the results you need...however since dems swept the commissioners race the repukes were crunching the #'s,which tells me they damn well know all about this...they got the results over-turned, and got a repuke back out in front.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #155
163. I read those stories too, jdjkkse
Where are you? I'm in Harrisburg, near the track.
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AlexHamilton Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #12
237. Check out this site Bev
I am administrator of the site Impeachment by the People, and am hosting a petition to Impeach Bush. I encourage everyone to link us and sign the petition. We need more signatures before we can present it to anyone. We could always change the petition slightly to incorporate any voting fraud found. Would love to hear some feedback.

Alex Hamilton
Impeachment by the People
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:23 AM
Response to Original message
9. graphic artists?
Can you make an address label page of stickers for us?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #9
22. see my post ----- plus cd labels
you don`t need a graphic artist simple words repeated over and over for the next few years...going on a trip? sticker every where you stop....
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #22
207. I was asking for a file with the address labels made up
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 01:15 PM by deek
My software doesn't work right and I despise Office.

I remember from the 2000 selection finding a fabulous file that had the address labels (six different designs) on a standard Avery sheet.

I was hoping to find something similar. Actually, they are probably still appropriate........I'm sure I saved them.
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Baja Margie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:23 AM
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10. Thank You !!!
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:24 AM
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11. Thanks, Bev.
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:33 AM by Ladyhawk
I got my CD done and I'm going to hand it out at the Dem Club meeting in a couple of days. It includes VoterGate. I'm going to have a really hard time if the speaker doesn't address this issue. I think I'll plead stomach upset--it will be true--and just leave.

Nothing he says means a thing unless we get rid of voter fraud. It's a total waste of time.

Perhaps you could look at it once it's ready to distribute and give me ideas on how to produce a non-partisan version. I'm so pissed I can't be non-partisan right now. My family and I aren't speaking.

P.S. I bet I'm your woman for my county. I'll sign up at your site.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:26 AM
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13. Thank you, Bev for the update...
God, hearing your comments on media lockdown is chilling. Heaven help us.... we HAVE to succeed in exposing whatever truly happened!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:27 AM
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14. I've always suspected such media lockdowns
especially earlier in the year when it came out the CBS was told to hold a story for a few days.

But this really scares me.

Thanks for the info Bev. I've got an email group I've maintained throughout the election and it's about to double in size.

And please be careful out there.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. They said this is the worst lockdown since the war in Iraq started
Nevertheless, we will out this vote fraud.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:28 AM
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15. This has been forwarded to my list
and they will forward this "to do" list to their friends and so on and so on.

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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:28 AM
Response to Original message
16. I have a good idea who your source is..
But I won't say, out of respect for you. :)
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #16
32. Am sending it out. Thanks Bev*
n/t
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:28 AM
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17. Keith Olbermann plans to talk about it on his MSNBC show Countdown
It will be interesting to see if he has to back out of it.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #17
21. They backed out of it. Unless they just rescheduled it.
I got a call from his producer yesterday about their sudden change of plans. I hope they have the stones to do the story, but I guess we'll see.

Bev
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #21
62. Hmm, I wonder what he think of all the lead-pipe cinch nonsense ...
from his blog entry. That the news is more reliable than blogs. I guess he won't be so smug now.

Too bad he isn't going to stand up for what is right in this country. Well I guess there's no reason to break my boycott of tv news channels just to watch him.

I hoped he'd be different. :sigh:
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #21
78. that's sickening
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 01:30 AM by Nordic
If that's true, I'm gonna go nuts on them
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:15 AM
Response to Reply #21
87. Olberman's blog, posted at 6:55 ET Today
says that he's still gonna do the story on both Monday and Tuesday... maybe it will be watered down? or maybe he will come on and tell us he was nixed? I dunno... but here's a link to his blog article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240 / Let's hope...
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:41 AM
Response to Reply #87
96. Gawd! I hope his producers don't make him spin it for the dark side!!
Holding my breath, but a little nervous at this point!

:kick: :kick:
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BernieBear Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #87
206. KOlberman is asking who Fixed the EXIT POLLS??? WRONG QUESTION
On his blog he's saying that the exit polls were screwed not the voting. I don't believe that. that's a new Repug way to spin it. Help, help, help........ The question is how did the results get screwed..... He doesn't seem to "get" it......
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:30 AM
Response to Original message
19. sound bite things are very good..
all ya need is a printer and ink jet label paper. smaller label makers start at 50 bucks and are portable...you could sticker the country for a few bucks....
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #19
24. Watch the stickering -- they need to be removable
we don't want provide any excuse for arrests or fines, and a sticker that gets stuck too tight might be considered defacing property.

You can get post-it style stuff that will go through a printer. This is the type of thing that will work well if your group can make a whole bunch for others near you, and distribute batches of them.

Bev
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OctOct1 Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:59 AM
Response to Reply #24
142. It take courage
And that , I see little of
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #24
192. we have started to
put website addresses on dollar bills. I noticed that whenever there was a little message on a bill I would wonder about it, etc. So we started to put du address, bartcop, etc. What web address would be the most effective?
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:31 AM
Response to Original message
20. It's time to cancel Cable and your Newspaper subscriptions
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:31 AM by Bushneedstogo
We have to and we need to print 500 flyer's per week and leave them in as many places as we can.

We can't give up.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:07 AM
Response to Reply #20
108. I've decided not to get cable at my new place.
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 03:08 AM by Ladyhawk
I'll do Netflix or something else. We need to make some sign-up threads.

I, ________, solemnly swear to boycott cable until democracy is restored to America.

I, ________, solemnly swear to boycott (Wal-Mart, General Mills, Outback, Curves, etc.)

A thread for each.
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:39 AM
Response to Reply #108
127. We need a boycott date
It has to be massive and it has to get out so that when we cut things off they are going to feel the burn in their wallets.

They want there own media then we have to speak by the way of taking money out of their pockets. Let's get together and do this but it has to be done in such a large way that the corporations feel it and it hits them hard.

I like Netflix and I am a member of Netflix it's a shame that Walmart and Blockbuster are trying to take over their business.

How are we going to do this?
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #127
286. Someone has to organize it. Someone has to be the leader.
I feel like we've been deserted by our leadership. We have to make new leaders, apparently.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #286
287. Olbermann says he didn't get the "memo" on media blackout.
I guess that means he believes it doesn't exist.

What I know is that more media personalities should be jumping all over this.
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Nightwing Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:15 AM
Response to Reply #20
144. Could not agree more!!
Hit these bastards where it hurts the most; Tune them out and stop purchasing any products of sponsors for their programs. Write letters to the sponsors and let them know you will not watch any program shoving the right wing philosophy down our throats and thus will not purchase a damn thing they're selling.

The almighty dollar is all they understand!! Hit em where it hurts and let them know why!
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #20
156. absolutely right
since they only poison minds and murder trees its a win-win
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fidgeting wildly Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:34 AM
Response to Original message
23. Thanks for your work, Bev.
I'm out to sea in a red state, dying for something, ANYTHING I can do to help, and you just delivered me the handbook. Now I can get to work. Thanks.

:yourock:
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:35 AM
Response to Original message
26. Yes, FINALLY something good to do with that junk mail!
I'm with you all the way. :)
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:38 AM
Response to Original message
28. Big Picture Question.
What are the real possibilities here? It seems to me that there are three possible outcomes if we succeed:

1) We get this story out and have a real chance of changing things by December 11th -- i.e. in Kerry's favor.

2) We get this story out and don't change the election, but we do succeed in rendering Bush's "mandate" meaningless by eliminating all semblance of legitimacy.

3) We have no effect at all on the 2004 results, but we do manage to make things better for 2006 and beyond.

Look, I'm going to do what I can REGARDLESS of which of these three is more likely. I just want to know where this is all going.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #28
43. There is a sliver of a chance for a recount in Ohio
and I heard something quite disgusting this morning there, regarding their apparent failure to account for provisional ballots. I knew this was going to happen -- they put in a law for provisional ballots without putting in auditing controls and some states can't seem to tell anyone how many there were.

In Ohio, the estimate is between 150,000 and 500,000. At 150k, exclusive of all the other fraud there, Bush wins. At 300k, Kerry wins. While I have heard reports of how many provisionals were received, no one can seem to specify where the records are, the source documents that back up the figures.

One political operative said "they are still coming in." (?!?!?)

Provisional ballots are cast on Election Day. There is absolutely no excuse not to know how many were cast, precinct by precinct, as of Election Night. For the secretary of state to do this kind of stonewalling is bad.

. Add that to anomalies in Franklin, Perry, Cuyahoga, Youngstown, Gahanna, and where was it the ES&S guy was dinking around with the computer for the weekend, name escapes me now.

Add that to Greg Palast's blistering expose on the Ohio punch cards.

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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #43
61. Wow, Thanks!
And not just for the info, but for replying to my post. You're a rock star in bloggerland -so this made my night.

And as I said, I would fight just as hard even if there was no chance this year. So keep up the good work and THANK YOU!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #43
77. Name of ES&S guy is JOE McGINNIS
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #28
168. Exactly how I feel. nt
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #28
301. Doubtful it will turn anything around
I hate to be a downer but, from what I've heard (on Air America) and read (in The Nation and on Kos), it's doubtful that anything will come of it... certainly the chances of it turning the election around are practically nil. Think about it-- they've got it rigged so that the entire government is theirs!! They're certainly not going to allow any kind of official investigation. Think of all the crap they've pulled for the last four years-- awful as this is (and this is, literally, treason), it's just business as usual for them.

Al Franken had a computer specialist from MIT on his show and the guy said that most of the anomalies can be explained.

But I refuse to believe a majority of Americans voted that moron back in.

Go to
https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapNation&...

and check out a map of the US, broken down by reported instances of "irregularities"-- it's up to 31,534 incidents, most of them in California (yes), Ohio, Florida, Arizona, Colorado, Texas, PA, NY, and Illinois. Actually, not one state was free from complaints!!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:40 AM
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29. Can we get started on sound bites? I need some guidance
I want to get stickers tomorrow and get started on that.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #29
33. Peter Werbe just got a call about this from someone here!
Peter gave out the url for DU and the blackboxvotng.org!

Peter's streaming link http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com/solon/media/tuner/Laun...
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:18 AM
Response to Reply #33
89. That Be Me - I Thought It Important To Spread The News Of Bev's
Media announcement.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #29
45. Just make sure they are removable stickers
By all means, get started. Folks, suggest your favorite sound bites.

Another suggestion is to ask Nostamj to start a sound byte thread. Those always come up with great stuff.

Bev
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:43 AM
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34. freeway blogging
we need a freeway blogging campaign here.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:34 AM
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175. Is the freeway blogger on this list?
Today is my day for contacting a lot of these people. I'll check at his/her website.

I have another project I'm working on as well, though this one will get the bulk of my time from here on out. My other project, which I will be posting elsewhere starting today is a morale booster but could be combined with this issue nicely. That being, it's time to get the kids together and motivated again (as if most of us aren't already LOL). We need to have a symbolic protest in Washington DC during the inauguration.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:44 AM
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35. Bev PLEASE Be Careful
You and Andy should check in here at regular intervals?
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:44 AM
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36. We have dozens of Colleges in my area (God Bless you Bev Harris)
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:45 AM by Bushneedstogo
I go to College and I am willing to walk to each campus and hand out as many flyer's and whatever is needed.

I am so sick over this situationn and fraudulent election that I am on medication for depression for a few more days.

I want my country back and I want our freedom to be the same as it was years ago.

The Bush Crime family and the fraudulent media has to be held accountable for what they have done.

They all need to be kicked off of the air and Ruppert Murdoch should be put in prison along with all of the others that have fed the people a load of crap for several years now.

Tell me how I can help and I will spend all of my free time dedicated to doing whatever you need.

God Bless you Bev Harris. :loveya:
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seraph Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:46 AM
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38. KICK


Thank You Bev.

:kick: :yourock: :thumbsup:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:48 AM
Response to Original message
40. The Foriegn press is the answer
it will 'trickle down' to our press - the lapdogs that they are.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #40
41. Good thought, lark.
Do we have a foreign press list here?

NGU.


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BushSpeak Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #41
291. The Press in France
I'll take care of France for you, but we're going to need a bit more hard evidence. The kind you risk your neck on.

We'll give it a couple more days to see where we're at.

Keep on crunchin' mama,

BushSpeak
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #40
46. I think we need to put together a foreign press list.
Like the national one Skinner has posted in the other forum.
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jambojonusa Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #46
250. I Need Specific Info: There's TONS of useable info scattered all over DU
...I am attempting to track, collect and USE it. Big job.

I'm new here and don't have search capabilities yet. Could you point me to where this National Media List is?

Thanks :)

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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:50 AM
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42. KERRY WON!!
Turn off the corporate owned news media that is on your TV set..

Call every person you know that voted for KERRY and tell them we are fighting mad and this election is not over yet!! KERRY WON must be heard loud and clear over the fascist noise machine!!

KERRY WON must be the battle cry of freedom loving people everywhere!!


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seraph Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:52 AM
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44. Put it everywhere - FRAUD





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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:55 AM
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47. Bev, thanks this is super! can you post list of completed counties
so we don't waste time on counties whose analysis has already been done?

Also, am I right in assuming we get the scavenger info from the county boards of elections?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:58 AM
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51. The best way is to post in the state and county forum at the web site
go to the Cleanup Crew forum at Black Box Voting (.ORG)

Each county is listed under its state. When yours is done, post there and email results to us.

Bev
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:02 AM
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56. Great thanks! 'Nother thought: submit to BBC, other news sources?
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LTRS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:57 AM
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50. Right on, Bev
I intend to talk to every politician I know and inform them not to call me for funding ever again if they don't take up this issue right now. My reasoning: the money I donate is a waste if you will not ensure that our votes are counted accurately. Apparently the internet is the new holy grail of campaign funding, so DUers, let them know you aren't giving a cent until they address this issue, and stick to it!! If you want action on this, I can assure you that ultimatum will make an impact.

Bev, your other suggestions are good, and I will heed them. I hope we all do. We can make an impact if we stick together on this. Our democracy hangs in the balance and there is nothing more important we can do right now, today, in my opinion.

Lastly, Bev, I know you tried to call attention to this BEFORE the current election. Thank you for that. Here is hoping that BBV finally gets the attention it deserves.

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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:59 AM
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53. Hmmm. Hit 'em where the funding hurts. Good idea! (n/t)
.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:58 AM
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52. I know NPR won't report it
I posted this in another thread tonight, but I got an email from an old friend who was one of the on-air personalities at NPR who quit in the last few years, and he said he's sure they won't report it, and it's not because they are unaware.
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LTRS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:03 AM
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57. Let me speak to that for a moment
You are quite correct. I have a current dear friend who is an on-air personality with NPR and she is constantly under attack by management for her perceived "liberal" bias, and I live in a very liberal demographic. In case folks don't know, NPR has been radically changed by the Bush administration, so don't count on them to get our side of the story out. It ain't gonna happen!
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avm Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:39 PM
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254. NPR changed
I thought something was up. Do you have sources on what happened to them?
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:04 AM
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58. Did he specify the reason?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:42 AM
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140. the reason he gave
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 07:42 AM by lwfern
is that NPR is giving Bush "a free pass" so as not to appear to have a liberal bias.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:09 AM
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64. It needs to get out online
Hopefully, the internet will stay functional.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:25 AM
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92. What about C-SPAN and other call-in shows?
I'd try to call as many places as possible with phone-in lines. Keep this story out there - so many people have NO clue!
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:31 AM
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152. Greg Palast on Wisc. Public Radio Monday, Nov 8th!!
Greg Palast is on WPR this morning from 8-9 a.m. with Joy Cardin, usually a conservative shill. She has guests who are about 95% Poli. Sci. professors from________University/College (just fill in the blank--they will probably be on in the next week). They typically have extremist views, and are almost always conservative. When a guest spouts off lies or hammers a caller unnecessarily, you can count on Cardin to sit quietly in her studio and do nothing. Callers who hammer a "liberal" guest are allowed as much air time as they would like with little to no intervention by Cardin.

So, having Palast on her show is a HUGE deal. You can listen streaming at www.wpr.org and click on Cardin's show. Call in! Get your voice heard here during their stupid pledge drive, for which they will get no money from me ever again.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:00 AM
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55.  Nominated for front page

Just printed Avery stickers ...

Who really won? Gotta Audit!!
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

Will take them to my Kerry Meetup tomorrow night!

Do you think the story will ever break in the Media?

If not we must take to the streets with our signs, stand on street corners in groups of five.

We must do this!

Bev, you rock,rock, rock!
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:06 AM
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59. I second the nomination. n/t
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:48 AM
Response to Reply #55
121. How about...

DID YOUR VOTE COUNT?
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

for the stickers?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:07 AM
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60. Just sent one off to crew@blackboxvoting.org
I still don't understand what we'll be doing, but I want to help.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:09 AM
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65. Bev, you should put this list on the front page of the site.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:12 AM
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68. Recommend this thread for the front page
So the mods will assess it.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #65
69. Excellent idea....I'd add capacity as well
When this story REALLY breaks, you'll need it. :)
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:10 AM
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66. At a certain point, the media doesn't matter.
The recounts do. The media gets to report on them (and the results), and that is where Bev and her team come in -- In the meantime, "Step 1" is getting the MUST BE MANUAL recounts ordered so we can analyze the differences between the RAW DATA and the REPORTED DATA, and Step 2 is (roll my eyes) figuring out WHY the numbers are wrong.

Bev, I'm going to stick with my line at this point: Fraud can be an "on accident" with a programming error, or an "on purpose" -- you may have the data to prove "on purpose" but right now, I think we're better off arguing against the INfallibility of my fellow programmers. (Did I mention to either you or Andy that I'm and MS Access expert?)

Isn't this fun? :)
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:16 AM
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71. I'm saving this page.....
Great information for the less informd who are in the dumps and to get the word out too.


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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:26 AM
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75. a kick and a thanks! n/t
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:26 AM
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76. Thanks Bev. I will do all I can
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 01:28 AM by juajen
May I suggest that everybody keep their Kerry/Edwards signs up in their yards. We were bringing ours in at night to keep it from being stolen and haven't put it back up since the 3rd; but, it goes back up tomorrow. I am in a red state, but from what I have seen, nobody seems too happy at this election.

Why can't we take a small questionable county in Fla. and canvass the vote, both republican and democrat? I think this could start some conversation nationally, and I know many people would be interested in knowing the results. We could even have the voter sign to verify that the vote is accurate. I don't believe there were dem turncoats in Florida. Maybe a few, but I have two sons who live in Florida, and they are telling me they know of none who changed from dem to pub, that it was just the opposite. A canvas might be illegal, I don't know; but I sure would like to see it happen. I couldn't go, but I bet you would get a lot of Floridians who are fired up about this election to go and canvass.

edited: for spelling
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:34 AM
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81. Keep your signs up and definitely WEAR YOUR KERRY BUTTONS
Ahem. So sorry to shout, but it makes people ask questions, like, "Why are you still wearing your button?"

Yesterday on a hike I gave the total lowdown to a couple hikers in from another state. When I finished making the case, they called their daughter in Ohio who goes to college and is politically active, and these people happen to work at large research center in a teaching hospital.

They were clearly much relieved by what I had to tell them, and it was my confidence and knowledge of the subject matter that helped. And for that, I thank Bev and DU.

And what are the odds that someone in Oregon talked to someone with a daughter in Ohio? And they say that support for Kerry in Ohio was tremendous and something really stinks about the election.

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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:17 AM
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113. humble dissent to your opinion
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 03:21 AM by m berst
I would not wear a Kerry button, and would not even mention Kerry. This is about saving the country, not helping Kerry win, and making it a pro-Kerry thing diminishes it.

The issue of election integrity is not about one party or the other winning. I would be willing to disqualify both candidates and toss the election and hold a new one if that were the price of preserving democracy.

The vote belongs to the people - all of the people and all of the people in the future, not to Kerry or the Democratic party.

Talking to Republicans today they are more open and more alarmed about this than Democrats are. This is about democracy. it is non-partisan.

On edit - really, really DON'T wear your Kerry buttons. A bunch of people wearing Kerry buttons yelling "the election was stolen" will hurt more than it will help. Of course, people will think, those people are saying that because they are Kerry fanatics.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:39 AM
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178. I agree with this one
Besides I tore up all my signs and threw away ALL my buttons. Yeah, this isn't about Senator Roll Over, this is about integrity of our voting system.
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aprillcm Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:27 AM
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149. Kerry/Edwards signs
We live in a very Republican county and after the concession speech, my daughter was told about it at school, the kids got ugly to the kids who were for Kerry. My 10 year old came home and said she and a few other kids who supported Kerry decided that our yard signs should stay up till George Bush is out of office, anyway to make long story short, my sign will stay up till it rusts down then get put back up. My whole family supports Kerry still. No matter what happens we have a choice and the choice is simple we can continue all 55 million of us to show our constant unwavering support no matter the ultimate outcome and make Kerry the most powerful Senator in the Senate or we can give up, to me the only real choice is the first one.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:16 PM
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235. Kerry sign in window and upside down flag under it...sound good?
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:48 AM
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82. Kick! n/t
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:54 AM
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83. more
Library bulletin boards
flyers at senior centers
flyers at welfare offices
supermarket bulletin boards
windshield flyers at local national guard parking lot, federal offices -- make sure it isn't against your city ordinances
leave reading material in doctor offices
hand out near the local transit stations
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:58 AM
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84. I don't know if I'm insane or what...but I'm really fucking terrified now.
:scared:

This is chilling.

I need to fucking calm down...It's hard to breathe right now.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:12 AM
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86. johnny. were here for you ok? were all in this together
i know this is a scary time and i cant say otherwise but its also a shock - though i dont know why that is considering everything theyve done!

but remember there are a lot of people who feel and believe as you do. like keith olbermann said on his blog, bush may have received the most votes in history but you know who is second in that category? kerry

and if you havent already emailed keith to thank him for speaking out on voting fraud (he did on his nov 7th blog) then please do. he can use the support!
countdown@msnbc.com

take a deep breath and out. get some good rest and know were still all in this with you, no matter what

peace friend
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #86
215. sadly for the US, Keith has run from the story
there's no MSM media with the balls to confront the evil
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:17 PM
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236. We could email msnbc urging them to run the show....but not email bomb
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gbreez Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #86
278. This is the letter I sent Keith...guess it has become meaningless.
Dear Keith,

From the bottom of my heart, thank you for speaking out on election fraud for those of us who are appauled both at what has happened and by the utter silence of the media. You restore faith that there is still some spark of honor and integrity left. Even PPS, now "reformed" by President Bush & Co, is silent and intends to remain this way.

The Bloggers, though powerful, are unable to reach the millions of red staters and others who are non-computerized. These people are receiving very marginal, at best, news which is apparently controlled in such a way as to make it quite right-leaning, despite administration claims that the media is "liberal." In all my 62 years, I have never seen the media less "liberal" than it is today. It is not even "center" now, having moved to the right some time ago. I understand the people have to feed their families and wish to keep their jobs, but, at what cost? Journalism was once a mighty tool of Democracy. I cannot, in all honesty, say that now; and, it breaks my heart.

Keep up your excellent work. You are a shining light and a hope of a better, more honest future, to many.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #84
88. Stay frosty, bud
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 02:18 AM by robg
Holy shit. The evil day is really here, unless Bev is gaming us and I don't think she is. We gotta get really cold skulled and think this through ... and find a way to bring these sonbitches down.

Emphasis on we, buddy. You are by no means alone.
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LadyinRed Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:55 AM
Response to Reply #88
100. The Foreign Press may be a hope
The BBC has been mentioned. What about other countries and Journalist who believe there was fraud. Does anyone have any contacts outside the US who could help.

CNN ran a very short piece from a small Middle-Eastern station last night. I didn't catch the station, but they were comparing * to Hitler.
It was almost like it was a mistake and so brief I didn't have time to write down who it was. The host on CNN was speechless for a moment and then discredited the piece saying it was most likely a terrorist group promotion. Very weird. Did anyone else see it?

If anyone has friends or contacts outside the states, tell them we need help getting this information to any media who would tell this story.

Tell them our media has been shut down on the truth about the Election.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #100
212. Good idea
And welcome to DU, fellow southerner. :)
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:00 AM
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102. "Unless Bev is gaming us"????? Are you KIDDING????
No, robg, she isn't. She's been working her FBI-stalked butt off for three years on this. She's done MORE than what is humanly possible. That is why she has such obvious support here.

Besides, you can PLAINLY SEE that what she's saying is true: WHERE are you hearing this fraud being questioned in the teevee media?? You're not! So....it's OBVIOUS they aren't covering it on the talking-head-fests for some REASON!

That "reason" CAN'T be because the data isn't there.... all you have to do is flip through the threads on DU, and you'll see the data IS there.

So....EVEN IF SHE WAS MAKING IT UP about a lockdown (which she's NOT), then she's making up something that is totally obvious and needs addressing!!!

We DON'T have a free press in this country...and Bev is saying what we all needed to hear: "Rise & shine, everyone, and get to work!! YOU are now the PRESS"!!!

Let's go get 'em!! We CAN handle this!!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:33 AM
Response to Reply #102
119. Yo, Sue
Like I said ... I don't think she is gaming us. Forgive me, tho, for I live according to the code of intel guy: "In God we trust; all others we monitor."

Doubt is the chastity of the mind, and I try not to get fucked that way very often.

And let me say this, I hope to God I am reading this wrong, and that Bev has it wrong, because if she is right about this (and I think she is) then we all need to be asking ourselves some of the most serious questions we'll ever ask:

"Are we ready to bleed for this? Are we ready to make someone else bleed over this?" Because it could come to that. It really could, God help us.

The answers are highly personal answers, which do not need to be answered here ... but again I must quote Ambrose Redmoon: "Courage is just the realization that something else is more important than your fear."

And if this ain't more important than my fear, I don't know what is.

Thanks for responding to my post, Sue. I love your conviction, your refusal to be blind.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:03 AM
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131. I totally agree, robg....
I'm going through those same things, concerning the deeper meaning of all that this whole election fiasco / media lock down portends.

Even here on DU, where we've known for years that our government was in this type of perilous danger, it seems that now this whole new reality has fully manifested, and landed squarely in our laps.

I like Redmoon's quote -- I had never heard that before, and it really is apropos for this situation.

And, uh, sorry if I over-reacted. :pals:

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #131
211. You did not over-react
And I took no offense at your words. I certainly meant no insult to Ms. Harris, whose work I have followed but who I do not personally know. I am watching these events unfold, adding things up, and I don't like what I am smelling.

It is my hope Bev is over reacting because if she is not this is indeed one of the most dangerous moments in American history. Unfortunately, she does not seem to be the type that over reacts. So right now, based on the evidence she and others are providing, that hope seems rather forlorn.

I am glad you're mad about it. I love the way you and others here express it.

That's what I love about this crazy place ... people who care enough to get mad about it, even sometimes mad at each other when we disagree about strategies and such. Why do we get mad? Because we care about what happens to the people of this nation and our neighbors in the world. If that's a sin, I'll hang with the sinners.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #119
180. I know
I'm a bleeding heart democrat and yet, I'm beginning to think about revolution, and not the kind that happens in a voting booth. It's really scary but I'm not willing to stew in the fear, there is so much to be done. And if we do it well enough, we can avoid the violence.

But, as I have said repeatedly since Nov 2nd, the revolution is on. It will not be televised, but it is on. I pray that we can do this without the blood, I pray with every ounce of my non-Christian body (luckily, we pagans are not without our praying resources. LOL)
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #180
208. Well said, then, and brightest blessings
Our beliefs are not as different as we are taught to presuppose.
What is the Christ, the Lord or the Lady or any other image of the Divinity we hold in our hearts? Merely a symbol for something we can experience, but can never understand, or put into one of our neat little boxes of intellectual categorization, or enlist in our marketing campaign.

Our hopes are similar. But often on this miserable sphere the choice is to fight or submit. Submission doesn't work very well for me, I fear. Still, we can pray from time to time ... and I, too, have been known to light candles.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #88
179. Bev is not gaming us
I knew about all of this before the election - I just thought we had enough numbers on our side that they couldn't do enough fraud to make it matter. I was wrong on both counts.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #179
205. I don't think she is gaming us, either
But this is really serious stuff, with more than serious implications. We gotta be sure, and of course the only way we'll ever know is to investigate.

We allege systematic voting fraud secured the election for the current President. If false, then we owe it to the country the clear these charges. We owe the country that truth, if so it is.

On the other hand, if these allegations are true, we must be willing to pay any price and endure any hardship to see the perpetrators prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and restore the election process by replacing the fraudulently elected President with the rightfully elected one.

I am fairly certain that tampering with the Presidential election during a time of war could be regarded as an act of sedition, if not treason.

And so, you will forgive me, given the gravity of the situation, for hoping Bev is wrong about this.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #205
249. Of course
though if that stops you from acting, then, not so good.

It really, really sucks that Bev isn't wrong. But it's really, really good that she has worked at this so doggedly for the last few years. I wish I had given it more attention. I believed that we had enough numbers that it wouldn't matter. That was dumb. But hey, I'm a Texan, we have that tradition here. (just kidding, I think. Boy am I glad I'm a new transplant to Seattle. It fits me better)
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #84
111. You're afraid because they're in power and they cheated and they..
...will do ANYTHING to maintain that power.

Fear is understandable, but they can't kill all of us.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #111
182. No, but
they can kill some of us. That's the fear I'm facing and working on vanquishing. And I will vanquish it. I am the strongest woman I have ever met and I've met Teresa Heinz Kerry and other really, really, really strong women, so that's saying a lot.

And speaking of Roll Over's wife, I am also a woman who just won't shut up. I'm a woman of very strong opinions without any interest in keeping them to myself.

I'm a fighter, plain and simple. I really love being here with all of these other fighters, male and female. It is good for my soul.

OK, so lets go get these vermin. They're hiding in the Bush!!!!!
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:36 AM
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197. I feel like you do.
My hands are cold, I feel like I'm going to throw up. I just dropped through the rabbit hole.

I AM NOT A TINFOIL HAT CONSPIRACY THEORIST!

I am a rational human being. I have a real job, a mortgage, I am logical, I am a computer whiz, I have a highly sensitive "bullshit" detector. I check all emails out with snopes.com, I do not forward prayer chains, lucky emails, or other urban legends. I have an undergraduate degree from a reputable university and I work in a technical field.

And I'm SCARED AS HELL RIGHT NOW.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:42 AM
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98. A million thanks, Bev, for being so courageous and tenacious
One of the world's biggest heroes (or heroines) ever. Your work and us following through on it may be our only hope left for democracy in this country.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:54 AM
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99. I'm still waiting for my confirmation e-mail from bbv.org
Bev, are you guys still having trouble with hackers?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:51 AM
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183. more likely
Having trouble handling the flood of offers for help. That would be my guess and my greatest hope.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:37 AM
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191. Be Patient, Keep Trying
The staff is limited and one of them, Bev, has lots of demands on her time.

Bev can get thousands of emails a day.

They're doing the best they can!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:07 AM
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107. Foreign Press Contacts.........
Links to TONS of papers/magazines/radio domestic and foreign.

Use their Contact email adresses....


http://www.abyznewslinks.com /

http://www.refdesk.com/paper.html

http://www.kidon.com/media-link/index.shtml

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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:12 PM
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202. Gloria, if you don't mind I'm going to start a thread with this info
it might get lost in this rather long post.

:)

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:07 AM
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109. What's even Scarier
In the last 2 days, I've seen "Red Dawn" and "Born on the Fourth of July" played by the major networks (NBC, CBS, ABC)... wonder if it's a subtle hint....?
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:17 AM
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115. To me, sitting on my ass is way more scary than doing nothing.
I've been envisioning waiting for the inevitable, when they cut off my disability. What will I do then? I'd rather go down fighting now than wait for that.

And the ignorance of the populace!!! My god, it's deplorable! Joe Citizen hasn't a fucking clue!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:11 AM
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110. Deleted .... bad formatting
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 03:14 AM by loudsue


Ooops. That didn't work well.

Let me re-do this post.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:15 AM
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112. E-MAIL LIST -- FOREIGN NEWSPAPERS
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 03:17 AM by loudsue
edit@iht.com,saham@neda.net,vndemo@fva.org,pppost@cm17.com,jfenby@scmp.com,zadama@zamnet.zm,info@pakcyber.com,bnainfo@netline.cl,paul.luckman@ip.pt,mdn@mainichi.co.jp,editor@metimes.com,letters@times.co.uk,newsonline@bbc.co.uk,itgo@india-today.com,weekly@guardian.co.uk,editor@observer.co.uk,letters@economist.com,editor@egypttoday.com,tambek@telecom.net.et,connect@telegraph.uck,letters.editor@ft.com,editor@saigon-news.com,jtric@japantimes.co.jp,tellingham@scotsman.com,today@abuja.rcl.nig.com,itwired@irish-times.com,editor@economictimes.com,letters@the-european.com,daily@tokyo.yomiuri.co.jp,weekly@tokyo.nikkei.co.jp,feedback@indiaworld.co.in,econrev@africaonline.co.uk,tncube@zimind.samara.co.zw,newsroom@emb.asahi-np.co.jp,bpilgrim@globalfreepress.com,publisher@usafricaonline.com,letters@theage.fairfax.com.au,nation@users.africaonline.co.ke,independent.letters@independent.ie,indonesian-observer@indoexchange.com

I can't seem to get this to format correctly....it wants to go off the page.

I'll post it anyway! :shrug:

:kick: :kick:
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ever_green Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:17 AM
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114. Kerry WON!
When talking about the election, this is my position and conviction! It's not over.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:30 AM
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116. $250 on the way, and thank you Bev for reading my PM
I wish I was rich so I could afford more.

Your fight is honorable, and you have earned my faith.

I do not believe in God, but if He exists, may he help you and all of us find a way to defeat this monster.

John

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ever_green Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:31 AM
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117. I watched votergate. Great job!
This election was stolen, we have to figure out how to prove it.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:32 AM
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118. Just Posted Related BBV Stories And Links In Six Yahoo News Groups
eom
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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:36 AM
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120. Spin can be Fatal.
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 03:36 AM by MagicalSpork
Media lockdown. What country are we in, and in what decade? It's even more disconcerting when I realize that this doesn't shock me quite as much as it should.

So, if evidence of fraWd emerges in Ohio, the media will not cover it, save to say, "Liberal activists claim foul-play in Ohio."

And once FEMA starts herding us all into white railroad cars at gunpoint, the media will not cover it, save to say "A small group of domestic terrorists were arrested and detained."

There must be a way to cripple the Goliath that is the American right-wing media, as no progress will be made until then.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:50 AM
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122. Thanks. Kick.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:50 AM
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123. Any way I can help: EVOTING FRAUD RESOURCE CENTER
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:28 AM
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150. Play the Kevin Bacon game
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 08:28 AM by txindy
We have to get your contact info. to Sy Hersh. We can start by going through 'The Daily Show' with Jon Stewart. Hersh was a very recent guest. They can pass on the info. But we have to find other ways to reach him. Any info. you have in those contacts listed on your site would be a blessing.

Thanks!!
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:52 AM
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124. Here something to add to this thread
<snip>
When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.
<snip>

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm

Who is this Jeff Fisher person, is he real or what?
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:22 AM
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146. Jeff Fisher
was a candidate for the US House of Representatives, from district 16 here in Florida. He ran against Mark Foley, who is a Republican lying little twit of a man, and the incumbent. He seems to have been inspired to run by the 2000 fiasco here in Florida, in fact his website featured prominently this photo:



You may have heard of the Dean people's push to back certain candidates after Dean dropped out of the primaries. Here in Palm Beach County they were quite active, and at one time considering whether to submit Fisher's name to the Dean national group for consideration as one of the "Dean Dozen", or whatever they call it. He had avid support from some quarters but others thought he was too fanatical and might attract derision. It tore the local Dean group apart, things almost became physically violent.

In any case Fisher is also a DU'er, though I believe he posts infrequently and incognito.
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:05 AM
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126. Does anyone have an email list for colleges?
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 04:41 AM by Dem2theMax
Getting this out to EVERY college and university would help a lot.
Also, teachers unions. Librarian Associations. Unions of every sort. Help me. It's 1am and I'm numb after reading this post. What other groups can we email that will DO something about this? We need to spread the word to the groups who will ALSO spread the word. If you have any of these email lists or can think of others, PLEASE POST THEM NOW.

Has anyone come up with a flyer of any sort? I'm not like a lot of people on DU who can keep all of these facts in their heads. I need it on paper and I want to be able to put this all over the place on top of that.

Suggestion to Moderators: Keep this on the Home page indefinitely. Don't let it scroll down. It needs to stay front and center until we have achieved what we need to do.

Edited to add: I emailed Skinner and asked if we could have a BBV Fraud forum all to itself. We need to have one place where all of this information can be found. I found this thread while in the old General Discussion: 2004 forum. Someone put a link over there. Anyone new to the BBV fraud (such as all our friends that we are going to be emailing, as well as any other blogs, etc., that we post this info on) it would be nice to have ONE place to refer them to. Otherwise they are going to be hunting all over this board for the info they want/need. Also, I don't think my email to Skinner got through. So if anyone else thinks this is a good idea and you can get his attention, go for it.

Also, why is Moveon.org not involved with this? They have a HUGE mailing list. Anyone have connections with them? If so, do something! Please?
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jambojonusa Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:05 PM
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263. Absolutely! GOOD POINTS. This Thread is Critical.
I'm so busy reading, researching and putting the tools together to put Bev's request for assistance into action that I don't have time to post much...yet.

Looks like we have a lot of company on this one. Good!

I can make a flyer. I have been thinking in those terms. I'd be happy to.

What I feel I would need is someone(s) that we could form a provisional committee with. The that committee would see an agreed on project through. That way I wouldn't be working in a vacuum.

I like the idea of forming a flyer committee...along with maybe a Letters To the Editor Committee and a Media Contact Committee etc.

This would be a BIG Time Saver with a mean old nasty clock ticking in the background.

What I'd need is someone to agree to help me vett the design and the content. We could set this up here on DU and then move it to private email, Instant message.

ANY TAKERS?

As far as distribution of a completed flyer goes: If DU feels it couldn't deal with something like this, we could use alternate websites. (I offer mine and I bet there would be others takers) Then a link from DU to wherever, and people could download and/or print it out from there. We could spread the link(s) to the flyer all over DU to make sure all threads pick up on it....Something like that.

This idea needs feedback.

Think of the time we could save. We could have a flyer, Letter's to the Editor, Form type letters to our Elected Representatives produced and vetted, for EveryBody to use in just a few days.

Wish I could help on lists for Colleges Universities, Unions and the like, but I can't. Betcha SomeBody else will speak up on it.

This is Nice. You have good ideas. I like it.

(It would be nice if SomeBody Does has the Adobe Acrobat program that
can not only read but MAKE documents.) Help!





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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:44 AM
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129. How About This On a T Shirt?

"committed to helping to deliver the electoral votes of Ohio to the President"
Walden O'Dell, CEO
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:14 AM
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132. kick...
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KitSileya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:21 AM
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133. Can anyone assemble a short recap of the issue?
What would be really helpful is a short recap of the issue at hand that would explain it to people who have never heard of BBV. Then we could post that in our LJ, blogs, use it as reference material when talking to people etc.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:50 AM
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160. there are SO MANY screw ups this time.
local papers are covering alot of them.

there are two issues... the deliberate hacking-type fraud, and the computer fraud that is POSSIBLY inadvertent like what happened in the Charlotte commissioners race.

I think the "inadvertent" fraud is getting alot of play in papers all over the country, and I think both avenues need to be pursued simultaneously, voter confidence in these machines needs to be undermined by getting the word out about how unreliable they are, so the public will demand a ban on them, regardless of the outcome of the hacking controversy.
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jambojonusa Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:59 PM
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271. Absolutely. Good strategy says...(& study the background too)
Yep. We need to develop contingency plans to provide for both angles.

It would be one hell of a plum if we could really help Bev and BlackBox.org come up with the hard evidence we are damned sure exists, of vote fraud.

However...We don't have much of a time frame to do it in. If I were a betting man, the odds, stacked as they are, would appear to be against us.

But I don't believe that. At least not entirely.

...It looks to be doable. Barely. IF...And that's if we get down to brass tacks as it were and develop the best strategy possible and go for it full bore right now....or fuggit.

The Part 2 you mention separately from attempting to tag the GOP with fraud: agitating for real electoral and voter reform. That might be easier to do now. The climate certainly getting riper for it. And the polls show it. (the problem is we might not have another meaningful election if we don't get this one straight, fair and honest)

Based on the evidence from the last two elections of potential fraud, unfairness, voting irregularities and the like (bad Diebold machines make votes go poof) this can be done a little bit more leisurely. I'm betting enough of America is pretty ready for another installment of fairness...as long as it doesn't erupt into a fight in their living rooms.

What's funny is that this country may very well be ripe for meaningful electoral reform now...just as we are heading into a dictatorship because we wouldn't reform it soon enough. How ironic. How poetic. How fitting.

Geez.

This time I hope we won't approach it our chance at reform as leisurely as the Democratic Party approached the problem since it became glaringly apparent in 2000. If they would have agressively pursued reform in their own interests, for Xists sake!...then this mess now might have been circumvented.

Maybe. maybe. maybe.

(maybe i'll go smoke another bowl)

Geez where are their heads at anyway? They should have been squealing LOUD for 4 years. Now they whimpering, because they didn't squeal. Oh well...

What they did is sit on their duffs, do very little about the real problem and lost another election because they wouldn't tackle it straight on. Maybe there is too much historical inertia weighing them down. Maybe they have too much vested interest in the lame assed way things are run in this country. I dunno...it doesn't make sense to me to walk into the same trap twice.

But not anymore I bet.(I hope) They be wising up.

The main danger now is that the Democratic Party has to fight the tendency to become Republican lite. How seductive this must be. How MUCH easier than standing and putting up a fight for our freedoms. (For one thing they aren't entirely sure of their backing. maybe we can show them what we back by backing it NOW huh?)

But the fault is not entirely theirs.

For you see we haven't really clocked in and been all that supportive in great enough numbers of our own party have we? Elect em and forget about em. Rarely give them feedback other than to bitch and grouse and leave em to face the wolves alone. So part of this is our fault.

If we were to really support and protect our elected democratic representatives in large numbers(which we might if we were sure of their backing and defense of US folks) in whatever their effforts they make for electoral reform...well that arrangement would be in EveryBody's interest would it? Maybe we can all learn something here of great value.

Then maybe we'd have a partnership with power that has real support and could get things done.

Neat idea.
But will it work to bridge the gap between this crisis of confidence between those that represent US and well..US?

Personally at this point I don't much trust our leaders.
I'd like to see that change.

One of the better things about this current crisis is that it might bring things around to where we might be be able to work together again.

maybe.

Labor unions support the Party
Does the Party support them?

Pot smokers support the Party
Does the Party support them?

The Peace activists support the Party
Does the party REALLY support them?

This has got a bit one-sided.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:35 AM
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134. It costs about $150 to print up 1000 full color double sided half-sheets
using an inkjet printer, and much less if you have access to a laser printer.

Then it takes another 8-10 hours for a healthy, active person to cut and distribute 1000 fully sourced WAKE UP notices door to door. As long as you leave them somewhere other than inside the US postal box, this is a time honored, 100% legal means of exercising your First Amendment rights without breaking the bank.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:37 AM
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135. Bev, print people are waiting for your evidence
They aren't locked down. I got an email tonight from someone I know at a major paper asking what I knew about all this.

He wanted to know if you were going to release any hard evidence of a pattern, not just isolated "glitches". (Past voting and/or registration is not a predictor of future behavior.)

He said most journalists still take their government watchdog function seriously, but they need to have something solid they can take to their editors.

If you've got it, send it out today!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:22 AM
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138. agreed...send out the data.....we'll force it out every way possible...
standing on street corners if that's what it takes
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:27 AM
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136. Kicking to the top for the day crew.
Please keep this kicked folks. :)


:kick:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:04 AM
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137. Paul Krugman??
Paul has proven to be on of the bravest souls in his reporting over the last four years. perhaps he would be willing to go against the machine on this issue?? His email...

krugman@nytimes.com
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:22 AM
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139. him or Sy Hersh
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:26 AM
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148. Exactly!! Sy Hersh! We need to contact him, IMMEDIATELY!
Krugman said he was going on vacation for a while, but we don't have that kind of time.

Listen, everybody, we need to get a hold of Sy Hersh, NOW! I'm getting ready to go through my email lists, but right off the top of my head I can think of one possible avenue: Jon Stewart. Hersh was on 'The Daily Show' only a couple of weeks ago. They will know how to get in touch with Sy. Email/phone 'The Daily Show' with this info. and ask them to pass it on to Sy Hersh! Play the Kevin Bacon game for all you're worth.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #148
184. How about Carl Bernstein?
He worked with some guy before to take down a Republican President. The other guy he worked with became a turncoat recently, a repug lapdog actually, but Bernstein is still neutral, though retired I think. Perhaps it's time to ask him to come out of retirement.
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:47 AM
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159. Helen Thomas? Howard Stern? /nt
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 08:50 AM by dist22dem
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:15 AM
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169. His ability with numbers would surely come in handy here
He's not going to be put off the track by a flurry of statistics.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:34 AM
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176. krugman is on an extended vacation
until January IIRC
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:56 AM
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185. Um.....
WTF. He needs to get his ass back in gear. No vacation time now!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:58 AM
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141. Journalists have power in numbers! WHY will they ALL not stand up
to this cabal and do the right thing? If they ALL, every last one of them, would stand up for the truth, they could bring this world menace to their knees! They could have the idiot thrown out of JK's WH! What the HELL is their problem? Are they ALL spineless? Don't they see that they could finally get rid of these people if only they had the damn guts to do it?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:59 AM
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143. dupe. n/t
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 08:10 AM by in_cog_ni_to
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:19 AM
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145. Bev, Can you get yourself on C-Span?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:23 AM
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147. Send the information to the Guardian and Christian Science Monitor.
Unbelievable that the conservative media can post anything they want, and when we come with statistical numbers, they shut us out. If we ever had a doubt that our First Amendment rights had been co-opted by Corparate America, this is it. We're going to have to take this overseas. The French saved our asses one timbe before, let's hope they can do it again.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:30 AM
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151. The Iconoclast, too. In Crawford, Texas
They have absolutely nothing left to lose. If they won't print anything, they may help us pass it on to someone who will. They've been contacted by media throughout the world over their endorsement of John Kerry. They've got contact info. that would be invaluable to us, right now.

Contact the Iconoclast and ask for help getting the word out!!
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Frumious B Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #147
164. Bush II=America's downfall?
Hello everyone,

I've lurked here for the last few weeks mainly to glean what specks of news and inside information on the Kerry campaign that I could. I'm one of those mushy, wishy washy, centrist "swing voter" types who is conservative on economic issues and liberal on social issues. My ideal government is a divided one with checks and balances where both parties have to reach a consensus in order to get anything done. I'm not a hardcore Democrat, so I probably don't belong here under normal circumstances, but I want to lend my support to the investigation of possible fraud in the 2004 election.

I'm ashamed to say that I voted for George W. Bush in 2000. However, I have become increasingly disenchanted and angry with his administration over the last couple of years, ever since the staged and bogus "diplomatic" runup to the Iraq war. I voted for John Kerry last week, even though I had reservations about some of his spending programs. That doesn't matter a lick, because I now recognize that the Bush administration is, for all intents and purposes, criminal and I fully understand the danger to our system of government posed by returning Bush to power with control of both houses of Congress and looming Supreme Court vacancies.

This is something that cuts way beyond the usual ideological issues of conservative versus liberal. I just want you to know that I appreciate what you are doing and will help where I can. I've all ready donated to BBV.org and to the Nader recount.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #164
181. Welcome to DU, Frumious B!
I'm glad you're on board with us. :hi:
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #164
186. Thanks, and welcome to DU!
Better late than never. ;)

This isn't a Republican/Democrat thing any more. This is about the future of democracy. Glad you're with us!

-Laelth
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:21 AM
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190. Hang in there, Frumious.
I'm a swing voter too, sort of. Though my background was Democratic, I was moving to the right until Reagan went nuts on social issues that were important to me.

With just one posting, you might find some hesitance from the Dems in letting you in to their strategies. Frankly, I'm surprised by how much we can get just by tuning into this newsgroup. But I wouldn't fault them for exercising caution, however. Bush has done a wonderful job of controlling the media with Free Amendment Zones and loyalty oaths, so I think the Dems should move cautiously on who they should trust.

If you're sincere, just stay informed, donate where you can and provide tips if you have them. And welcome to DU.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:25 PM
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210. Glad you're here, Frumious B
Welcome! :hi:

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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:44 PM
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213. Welcome, and you most certainly do belong here! We are the patriotic
defenders of the traditional American values of the Founding Fathers, and apparently so are you. This election was not about liberal vs. conservative, or even Democrat vs. Republican. It was about reason vs. blind faith, democracy vs. theocracy, a government accountable to the people vs. a government accountable to nobody.

Right now, I would be very happy to have a reasonable, responsible republican as president (and there are still some of those left). And you don't have to be ashamed to have voted for bush in 2000. He sold himself as a "compassionate conservative," and even many on the left thought there would not be a major difference between a bush presidency and a Gore presidency (and how wrong those people were!). The good thing is that, as bush revealed his true nature, you were able to think clearly and recognize him for what he is.

And there's certainly nothing wrong with being a fiscal conservative. I was a strong Howard Dean supporter, as were many of us here at DU, and he's very much a fiscal conservative. The cheap bastard was campaigning wearing worn out shoes and the same two suits. :)

I believe our nation is heading for an extraordinary crisis. It is quite likely that soon we will see additional military interventions overseas and terrorist strikes here at home, a crackdown on individual liberties and the press, and the consolidation of political power and corporate power in one party.

If all this is to be prevented, it will be people like yourself and the moderate republicans who can do the most to stop it. Us lefties will be marginalized and ignored, unless we begin getting violent with our protests, at which point we will be jailed or killed.

You don't have to think just like us, or be just like us. But we're counting on you to stand up for America.
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Willy Lee Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:24 AM
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173. Amy Goodman- Democracy Now!
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #147
234. Send to: THE VILLAGE VOICE also
This free newspaper has wide circulation and has a liberal bent. They have always seemed willing to move with issues like fraud.
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Magginkat Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:36 AM
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154. I have forwarded this info to Bev


I have several pages of graphs on my web site that shows what appears to be an "miracle" for republicans. I took a chart posted at

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

and converted it to show how many more votes were recorded for republicans than there were registered republicans. It's a miracle folks. All over Florida, in county after county it looks as though the equivalent of 100% of all registered republicans voted plus they convinced thousands of Democrats & independents to vote for Bush.

In the county where I reside (Escambia) the following results were posted:

Total registered Voters 189,833 Total Votes Cast----- - 142,895

Registered Republican- 43.8% = 83,147 - Rep votes cast -- 93,311

Registered Democrat -40.7% = 77,262 - Dem votes cast -- 48,207

Others - - 1377

The results defy all logic.

If you can believe your eyes, Republicans not only had the equivalent of 100% of all registered republicans casting a vote but apparently 10,164 Democrats or other parties opted to also vote for Bush in Escambia County! This is the Bible belt that I live in but there's no way in hell that even they could pull off this crap at such an amazing rate.

In county after county it's like that and this is Optical Scanners people with a paper trail!

I would appreciate it if any and all people here will check these numbers and tell me if I have screwed up. It does not seem possible that someone in an official position is not screaming his head off.

Start with:
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

The bar (charts below) represent the difference between the number of voters registered and the number who voted. The negative numbers means that more people voted republican than were registered.



http://www.granniesagainstgeorge.us/diebold_magic_anyon ...

http://www.granniesagainstgeorge.us/floridaAmazingElect ...

http://www.granniesagainstgeorge.us/florida2.htm

http://www.granniesagainstgeorge.us/florida3.htm

Let me know at magginkat@yahoo.com if you can confirm or dispute these charts. I admit that I am an amateur with Excel but I think my charts agree with the information available from the election results.




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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:32 AM
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196. Except Escambia gave Bush 73,171 votes to Gore's 40,990 in 2000.
These Democrats include many conservative DINOS. Turnout out was up almost 20%, but Bush's share of the vote only increased from 64% in 2000 to 65.9% in 2004.

Pensacola is in Escambia county and home to the Pensacola Naval Air Station, lots of military folks live in this area.

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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:46 AM
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157. Yesss! Wonderful and humorous ideas here! Got your back,
Bev. Thanks so much!
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:46 AM
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158. Kick!
Double kick!
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:51 AM
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161. Change your websites to political ones!
I have a website and a good bit of space on it. It's basically a site about me but NO MORE!

I will change it this week as fast as I can to show charts, graphs, etc. I will do what I have to do.

How many other DUers have sites out there? We can get the message out that way.

The revolution won't be televised. It will be on the internet!
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SiouxJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:07 AM
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188. That's what I've been doing, gradually
I have friends and family who visit it to see pictures of events we've attended and lately I've been adding political articles about the election etc. Some of these people are Kool-aide drinking republicans whom I never discuss politics with as we sort of have a rule about that, but they will see how I feel when they go to my site. Hopefully they will learn something.
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:53 AM
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162. Don't go down a wild goose chase: Re 2. Crunch the numbers
You have asked, essentially, the internet world to crunch numbers for you.

I hope you have a procedure in place to make sure someone doesn't send you false data.

You really should only accept data from known trusted sources.

If I thought of this you can be sure people wanting to distract your efforts have thought of it too.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:02 AM
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165. Keep this one at the top...or nothing will get done to stop fascists
:kick:
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Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:12 AM
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167. simplify!!!
This is great stuff - and I HATE that Im stuck at work right now.

We need a ONE PAGE summary for flyers. Things are comming so fast that pretty soon this has the chance of being "too complicated" for the average joe. If we cant communicate this in a few sentences, with background an one page max then we are done!!!

I have neither the graphic skills or the information right now, but I get around a LOT on my job and can post at airports, stores, etc. In the interest of efficiency it makes sense for the best and brightest writers / graphics etc to put together a one pager, then post it at BBV, DU homepage whatever. PLEASE!!!


Please PM me with something I can print out and distribute.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:07 AM
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187. There's a Kinkos right across the street
I can pay for and distribute flyers. Just give me something to distibute. I'm at work but will try to design something quick. In the meantime, if anyone has a nice summary with a graphic, I'd appreciate it.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:16 AM
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170. Bless you Bev
We shoulda listened more carefully and focused better. I sent money last night and an email. I live in Seattle and I want to come volunteer for you. I will do anything, even take out the trash. I don't care.

Also, as soon as I get my family together in one room, I'll establish a monthly donation. Any ongoing expenses in the fam, have to go through the family meeting vetting.

I've sent out requests to my friends regarding laser printers, copiers, computer equipment and um, money, of course.

Oh, oh, oh, yeah, I want to play a media whore, too. Well, actually, I'd rather be a responsible media person. But, hey, whatever gets the message out.

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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:17 AM
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171. Has Jon Stewart mentioned this at all? Haven't had time for much TV lately
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:30 AM
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174. Bev
Didn't Vanity Fair recently feature you in an article about potential election fraud? Is there someone there who can pick up this story?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:36 AM
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177. Great ways to get involved! Thanks Bev! You are a
national treasure!

*hugs*

------------------------------------------------------------
Help expose the election 2004 voter fraud today!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform...
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tarrant84 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:57 AM
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193. Is BBV and votergate down today?
The site is acting sketchy, it won't load, and neither will votergate.tv...

I'm wondering if someone attacked it. A bunch of people here at the law school have expressed an interest in the videos and BBV, we really want to get it out.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:59 AM
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194. don't forget the CARTOONISTS!
hit your locals or go here: http://cagle.slate.msn.com / for contact info on MOST of the editorial cartoonists...

and add your slogan/graphic ideas here:

BBV | BYTE the Media! | Brainstorming Thread


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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:40 AM
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198. From a "free" state- NY
I don't want to clog up here volunteer lists at this time with no place here involved in fraud(though I am checking with the unresponsive Dem party headquarters).

I called my union, left message(long). I called party headquarters in Monroe County(left message).

I called the big newspaper I didn't subscribe to. Am going in person to the headquarters of the local chain I do subscribe to to give back(unread) their papers and lay out our story.

I called the local TV affiliates(CBS,NBC, CBS) in a 3 part message. Talk to news managers live. First Vote fraud, Bev's site, lawsuits in other areas. The coming vote machines to NY involved, the death of the right to vote, and finally whether there was a lockdown of even breathing about this issue and running protests and lawsuits by the national news. They could find THAT out if they tried.

One asked if I wanted to do a press conference(no, that is not as supportive as it sounds, they mostly sound lost in space) but I said a small fry like me ion TV with disorganized information? First I was going to contact the party and the union to see if someone better and backed will get involved.

Action Day? I stuck my neck out on the scope of the effort that is hard to see outside DU, Bev, and scattered other suits. Hey, we are doomed anyway if things fizzle out.

My big scene at the newspaper(all reason no swearing I promise) upcoming. Our big fight, a desperate one, is coming up to save NY from the BBV element. My daughter was way ahead of you in making posters and dropcards with Bev's site prominently mention. VOTE FRAUD, etc. Short, the NY issue, no cute stuff or partisan message.

Buying generic stuff(from Oregon, a free state)was pathetic. Shopping only made me more angry.

Like I have posted to bevy here many times. I don't see her getting traction decisively or the support she or the issue cries out for. Hope has nothing to do with fighting for our lives. There are no retreats or lines to hide behind on this globe that will postpone the damage.

As a side note. Immediately after election day, my son had two job applications he had been waiting for outsourced to Italy and Israel respectively. Legislation before Congress or new laws will directly threaten my job, my pension, my social security. I consider that all paltry compared to what will come and is coming now to the more unfortunate.

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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:45 AM
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199. Donated on Friday
Thanks for your good work.

Even if this accomplishes NOTHING in relation to the 2004 elections, you have to keep working to show that the fraud happened and prevent it from happening again in future elections.
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:08 PM
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200. "I know the election was stolen and want to help..."
...but HOW????"

Many people are asking the question - "but HOW????" and it is quite a dead end.

Your child is drowning. How do you save the child?

The answer, of course, is by any and all means necessary.

You could say that the answer to the hypothetical question is easy - you would jump in the lake. But you wouldn't "jump in the lake" if the child were in the bath tub. You wouldn't jump in the lake if the child were a hundred yards away and there was someone closer who wasn't noticing it. You wouldn't jump in the lake if the situation were that the child's school was near a river that was about to go to flood stage.

Clear analysis of the danger, and then using your imagination and having a sense of urgency will answer the "hows" as they arise, and as we pull together as a growing group of freedom fighters.

Are we asking a question knowing that there is no clear, simple and easy answer so we can throw up our hands and say "well I want to do something, but no one will tell me what to do" and so avoiding it? I think some are.

The first thing is becoming aware ourselves how serious the crisis is and facing it instead of avoiding it. The next step is to effectively communicate that awareness to other people. Effectively transmitting the full gravity of the situation to one person is more powerful than "blasting" it to thousands. That one person will then turn around and effectively transmit it to others and so forth - the old "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime" parable applies somewhat. In the first case you are handing the person what they immediately need to get through one day in the crisis of hunger they are experiencing, while in the second you are launching an ever-expanding and self-sustaining solution to the problem on a large scale.

As the circle grows, we have more and more people working on the how. Sending out a thousand e-mails only results in a thousand people writing me back saying "OMG! but HOW?????" and unless I can give them a step by step manual they sit paralyzed. More people need to be working on the how. If I knew the how - or was willing to lie to you and tell you that I did - I would be dictator rather than Bush, or I would be an irrelevant self-promoter or huckster.

Once we have more people working on the how, then we also have numbers - an ever-expanding group of people who are 100% on board and ready to put it everything on the line.

First your family, then your friends, then your neighbors, then everybody you ever knew and then everybody you meet - always, as the first thing, everywhere.

If just ten people did that like their life depended upon it, it would be around the country in a week. I know that there are not ten people doing that anywhere because if they were we would know "how" and I wouldn't be swimming against the current everywhere I go.

Many people are asking for "proof" and "links" and "documentation" because they are in denial and are looking for a way to make this all go away, in my experience talking to them. Thay aren't seeking the truth, they are seeking ways to avoid the truth that in their bones they already know.

What we need is to raise people's courage and degree of alarm and to get them thinking on their own.

They are afraid and they are in denial, they are not short on information or proof. They are short on courage and on common sense.

Ask people this - if we aren't seeing a coup, then just what would a coup look like? If this isn't the time to fight for freedom, when would be the time? If it is hard to face now, how much harder will it be to face when you have accumulated another year or two of "proof" - with links of course. But links to where? Are links to CNN more believable or credible than links to The Free Press? What happens when there ARE no more alternative web sites?


Everyone has two choices -

Accept the peril and uncertainty, figure this out for yourself, search your soul, gather up your courage, prepare to take a stand, and reach out to others - all as though your life depended upon it.

That may cost you everything.

or...

Hope for certainty and safety, wait until you are handed a set of pre-digested facts and proof, watch which way the crowd is moving, and listen for authoratative information from on high.

That will come in the form of a dictator and a fascist regime.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:40 PM
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204. How? here's a suggestion
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:43 PM by rozf
those of U that walked precincts locally, maybe your own neighborhood, U still have the list...U better have the list - U know where the Dems R in your neighborhood. make door hangers - U can do it in MS word cuz I did it 4 a local candidate a month B4 the election. I made 400 on BLUE cardstock for less $10.00...the most tedious part was the cutting out the circle but U can find a circle punch @ a craft store and it goes faster.

U can get 2 columns on an 8 1/2 X 11 sheet. include links to relevant sites and some fraud facts that have been revealed.

Use your lists and get those door hangers out there.

Also those of U w/ the Kerry/Edwards plastic sleeve yard signs - turn them inside out - paint 'election fraud' on it and put it back out in your yard. The plastic sleeves here in CA are black inside and make a great back ground

Use what U got
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jcldragon Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:12 PM
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201. @Forumz message board {{{HUGS}}} Bev Harris
A number of us from @Forumz have been telling people about your site for nearly a year now. The place is mostly under 30s, and almost everybody at that board voted, and voted for Kerry. It's a fairly large board with some 16,000 members, of which prolly 800 are active on a regular basis.

Many went out on voter registration drives, and several worked at the polls. The board isn't a political site. Mostly people discuss music, (especially Tori Amos). Moreover, those who are politically active there, often repost articles they find on other message boards, or find things there, & repost them in other places. So the news gets out there...
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Mabel Dodge Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:54 PM
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214. Picking up the litter
I guess defending your rights is a lot like picking up the litter, you have to do it everyday. I started by e-mailing Bev's post to everyone on my list, I guess my next thing will be to make flyers. I will keep picking up until my yard is clean, so to speak and tomorrow I will start all over again. It's my duty and it's the right thing to do.
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Winamericaback Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:56 PM
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216. Suspicious information Regarding small FL county Votes
Okay I was trying to help Bev out by doing this for Fl counties but I'm stumped eith some of the information that I found.

DIXIE COUNTY
4,433 Votes for Bush
1,959 Votes for Kerry

BUT
There are
1454 Regsitered Republican Voters
7495 Registered Democrat Voters

WTF?

UNION COUNTY
3396 Bush Votes
1251 Kerry Votes

1291 Registered Republicans
5331 Registered Democrats

WTF?

GILCHRIST County
4934 Votes for Bush
2016 Votes for Kerry

2750 Registered Republicans
5295 Registered Democrats

CLAY COUNTY
61881 Bush Votes
18905 Kerry Votes

60192 Registered Republicans
27282 Registered Democrats

Looks kosher but then I went back to 2000
Somebody explain to me what the hell happened in this county?!
2000: ABOUT 24,000 Registered Republicans and 48,000 Registered Democrats? HUH?

SO half the county switched parties?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #216
228. Good job Send this to Bev!
:yourock:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:34 PM
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217. A media lockdown. That makes sense. The republicans are attempting
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 02:35 PM by Zorra
to consolidate their illegitimate one party state and are pushing a message of "unity" and "healing". So massive evidence of voter fraud sure won't help that spiel any.

Some drunken republican pig was trying to "reach out" to me with the "the nation needs to unite, the election is over" crap last night, and I'm pretty sure that this is the agenda coming down from "Rove central".

I have been printing out stories about voter fraud and distributing them. I particularly like the House Judiciary Committee letter, signed by Cong. John Conyers, Jerrold Nadler and David Wexler, to Comptroller Walker at the GAO.

This letter is particularly effective because the letterhead that says "Congress of the United States" immediately gives legitimacy to my presentation. The rest of the information that I present afterward, which is from very reputable news sources, is then validated and usually read with interest.

Here is a pdf. of the House Judiciary Committee letter:

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2...





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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #217
219. Zorra, sounds effective, could you provide links to the information
from reputable news sources?

This sounds like the kind of "package" everyone needs in thier hands, especially when some don't have time to do all the research.

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:35 PM
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241. Here:
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 07:57 PM by Zorra
This one is a compendium and is quick and easy, scroll down to "Articles".

http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm

Florida flawed software

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/10099198.htm

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/shared/news/p...

over 1000 problems

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/evoting/20...

Bu$h Xtra votes Ohio

http://news.yahoo.com/news ?
tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems

Warren County Ohio sealed off

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/05/loc_warrenv...

Voting irregularities in south

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&u=/ap/200...

Nader requests recount

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?ar...

Auglaize Ohio Nuss McGinnis

http://www.theeveningleader.com/articles/2004/11/06/new...

Eloriels excellent vote fraud compendium - huge and takes time to sift through.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Scoop American Coup II

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/features/?s=usacoup

DU Voting Problems Forum

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...






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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:53 PM
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218. support the three representatives
A full and thorough official investigation is required. That will circumvent the media and focus the effort. This isn't a pulbic relations campaign or just another cause. The time for public relations stunts and bumper stickers was before the catastrophe.

Three congresmen have taken a stand - Conyers, Wexler, and Nadler. They need our support. Contact all members of the house and ask them to join the effort. Not to help Kerry. To save democracy. That is what YOUR Representatives are there for. Don't even tell them which candidate you support. This isn't about partisanship, it is the very survival of freedom that is at stake. No House member should get a minute of peace until this is addressed.

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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:20 PM
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221. Thom Hartmann credits Bev in recent story...
By Thom Hartmann, Common Dreams

The hot story in the Blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all - it was the numbers produced by paperless voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however, it's critical that we keep the largest issue at the forefront at all time: Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?

Maybe Florida went for Kerry, maybe for Bush. Over time - and through the efforts of some very motivated investigative reporters - we may well find out (Bev Harris of www.blackboxvoting.org just filed what may be the largest Freedom of Information Act
more...


http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=18555&mode...

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Le Huron Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:33 PM
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224. Re: "Thom Hartmann credits Bev in recent story..."
I am disturbed that this electoral result may be called into question. Bush's disruptive presence in the White House is a boon to European construction. It is forcing us to grow up. It is forcing the issue of European defense -- and independence -- to front and center. It is even forcing Chirac -- a conservative fixer I could not abide for years and never voted for -- to act like a statesman against his own instincts.

I'm really sorry this is so hard on so many people here, and I do feel your pain, having lived in Texas for nearly 10 years now. Please don't conclude it was all a French conspiracy, though. We are still in the age of minor ballot-stuffing and dead Corsican voters.

;-)
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:18 PM
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223. Simple, Important Question
Bev,

Are we at a point where we *know* that the election was stolen, or just that there were shenanigans that swayed the vote, but didn't affect the outcome?

I mean, I would love to participate in these activities, IF the election was indeed stolen, and there's hard proof we can all use to make the point.

If the election WASN'T stolen, but there were merely shenanigans, then I say we work quietly to ensure paper trails in E-voting areas and stop saying Bush is illegitimate (as that only hurts us).

If the election WAS stolen, we need to be able to make the case CLEARLY. If we can't make the case clearly, then you won't get much help.

Sorry, I just have to be blunt here.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:39 PM
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251. The thing is
even if this can't swing the election (and frankly, I suspect it won't because we won't have enough time), it is vitally important that we get this out there right now, loudly, for two reasons.

1. to get the momentum so that e-voting without a paper trail is seen as the insanity it is. If we don't get the publicity right now, while the publicity getting is good, there won't be the funds and the congressional investigations to get it gone.

2. We need to undermine Smirky Shrubface and his evil minions rhetoric about a mandate. We need to make people doubt, doubt, doubt.

It is highly likely that this election was stolen. It is also highly likely that about 47% of the people who voted, voted for the village idiot, so this country is in serious need of some good therapy. They are likely to get it through the tough love therapeutic model. We, unfortunately, get to go along for the ride. But you and I can take some of the sting out of it by being activists for this vitally important cause.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:45 PM
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269. I agree with...
your reasons, but at this time, we don't *know* the election was stolen. We should really refrain from talk that says Bush is illegitimate until we *know* it and can clearly state the case. 2004 is unlike 2000 in this regard.
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noonriser Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:37 PM
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225. Donated today. (n/t)
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:49 PM
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226. BEV - interesting article here from March this year
3 Indiana Counties REALLY pissed off with "illegal" software from primaries.

Robb McGinnis of ES&S mentioned ( possibly related to Joe ?)

www.wishtv.com/Global/story. asp?S=1712213&nav=0Ra7LXSW
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:52 PM
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227. And looks like we have another relative as VP of Sales
Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)

Dan McGinnis, Vice President of US Sales -Eastern Region

PHONE: 800/800-0270 or 312/419-0270

FAX: 312/419-8511

EMAIL: dtmcginnis@essvote.com

WEBSITE: http://www.essvote.com

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nedbal Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:15 PM
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229. "Data as Requested" Help Bev
The least you can do is collect the data from your area, register on her site and post the requested data. I understand her board is having problems , could be thats why I see so few posts there?


http://www.blackboxvoting.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.c...


I have not contributed $ yet but as soon as I see some progress I will contribute to bev, I will also contribute to DU, soon you will see a star next to my id. I will ask Skinner If I could take over a ID unused but registered here that I prefer.


Make a grid like this, filling in the right numbers: example:

# reg. voters % # votes cast %
Rep 100 33% 150 50%
Dem 200 67% 150 50%
Totl 300 100% 300 100%

Nassau County NY

# reg. voters, %, # , votes, cast %
Reps , 41.6%, 356,193, 278,727 , 46.61
Dems , 33.9% , 290,29, 312,388 , 52.24
Inds , 24.5% , 209,343 , 6,902 , 1.15
Total , 100.0%, 855,828, 598,017 , 100%

I tried a few previews to posting it but I could not get it formated correctly

For the purpose of Bevs chart votes cast for other than Bush Kerry
were put in the Indep (I J P E ) column

All data sources are listed below
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.c...
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:57 PM
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230. Good NEW information on this thread! We need some people to
double check the data on this thread against some of the data from the elections boards.

Pretty disturbing stuff.

Kicking back on up!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:01 PM
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231. http://www.mirror.co.uk/contactus/
This might be quicker. :)
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:05 PM
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232. I hate watching the news on TV ...
but just to test the gag order in Bev's initial post, I did this evening. I watched CBS, ABC, CNN, and my local affiliates for any word of the voter fraud story. As predicted ... nada. Lots of good work on Falujah (no carnage, of course--that would make us look bad). Lots of worrying about where Arafat will be buried if, and when, he dies. Even saw a piece about how a particular drug seems to help African-Americans with heart disease, but the future of democracy in America? Well, impending fascism isn't news, now, is it?

Goodbye 1st Amendment. It was nice while it lasted.

-Laelth
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:07 PM
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233. My First Post on DU - Hearings in Ohio
Howdy all -
I don't know if this has been posted here on DU yet -- but I didn't see it. Go to <http://indyvoter.org > for the full page but here's an excerpt:


CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS IN OHIO!!!


They might have conceded - but we haven't conceded our right to have our votes count.

The Ohio Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections (CASE-OH), Common Cause Ohio, Ohio Election Reform Now, Columbus Institute for
Contemporary Journalism, WVKO Radio, and the Columbus League of Pissed Off Voters are calling for public hearings to investigate voting irregularities and voter suppression in Ohio surrounding the 2004 General Election.

THIS IS A NONPARTISAN STATEWIDE CALL TO ACTION. VOTERS AND POLL WORKERS FROM AROUND THE STATE ARE INVITED TO TESTIFY.


Saturday November 13, 1-4 PM
New Faith Baptist Church
955 Oak Street
Columbus, Ohio 43205


Monday November 15, 6-9 PM,
Auditorium (Meeting Room A)
Courthouse, 373 S. High St.
Columbus, OH


I hope you guys can spread the word, so that these buildings are overflowing with citizens. Here's hoping that the media heeds the call and attends, despite what Bev has said about the press being locked down tight. I hope Bev can get somebody to attend to add any testimony to her investigations.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:27 PM
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238. Hey! Somebody welcome me to the group!
and comment on the hearings, please! :-(
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:38 PM
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243. Hi Turn CO Blue!
Welcome to DU! :hi:

-Laelth
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:39 PM
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244. You inspired me to tell people how to spread the news!
Welcome to DU!
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Mabel Dodge Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:39 PM
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245. Welcome
I'm kinda new too, but Welcome
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:37 PM
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242. Newsgroup posting....how to influence while sitting at the computer
We all know how we hate spammers, but we are not selling anything. We are trying to save democracy!
For those who have never delighted in browsing various newsgroups, do this.
Go to google, choose "groups"....type in a city, a hobby, music group, political party...use your imagination.
You can then post your message to let others know what is on your mind. Just cut and paste. I am sure there are those who will be grateful. Be sure to include links where they can learn more about this hijacked election.
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Keirsey Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:23 PM
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265. Google Groups
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Fatima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:29 PM
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239. I sent some money.
Folks keep this thread kicked
Insha'Allah Ms. Harris will get to the bottom of this crime against our nation!
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:35 PM
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240. Whoa! Analyzing at Precient Level shows fraud in Cuyahoga!
http://pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.html


There have been several emails regarding this page. I will be inquiring to Cuyahoga County in the coming days. It seems that the precinct/ward differences may be where the problem is as the official summary report does not show these spikes in turn-out.

The summary, however, does not report on the number of registered voters for precincts or wards, whereas the referenced link does. I am using the referenced link data below (more complete totals), not the summary report, which only reflects total districts.

Cuyahoga County Precincts

Each precinct in Cuyahoga County, Ohio
Highlighted areas represent 90% (very VERY unlikely) and higher (up to 1160.78%) voter TURN-OUT! 30 are above 100%
Calculated from data on county page - http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults ...

(Ballots Cast/Registered Voters) * 100 = % turn out.
Ballots Cast SHOULD NEVER be more than Registered, thus % should NEVER be higher than 100%

This amounts to 97,489 EXTRA votes beyond 100% in those precincts! This is just for ONE county!

No further evidence needed - a recount MUST be done - and possibly another national election using ONLY paper ballots, hand counts, and observers making sure all counts are valid. I don't trust these computers AT ALL! We should have the UN observe

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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:41 PM
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246. Link's not working.
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 07:42 PM by Laelth
Works now. Thanks! :toast:

-Laelth
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:25 PM
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247. Someone needs to come forward
My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time, and he was calling from somewhere else. He was trying to figure out how to get the real news out on vote fraud.

I believe these criminals are playing for keeps. Anyone who comes forward with astory and evidence of the stolen election will be putting themselves at risk. That said, it is certainly only a matter of time. How long a period of time, is the sad question.
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nedbal Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:30 PM
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248. Bev's site needs major geek help PASSWORD CHANGE


Bev's site needs major geek help

if you need to change your password this is the link they should list but don't


http://www.blackboxvoting.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.c...
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:45 PM
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252. Where is a damn whistleblower...I know there has to be someone
who knows that this is going on. Don't they care about their country and THEIR freedom? A whistleblower is the only thing that will blow this thing wide open. :shrug:
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tarrant84 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:37 PM
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253. give john kerry voting feedback!
John Kerry wants to know that everything went "smoothly" on election day!

tell him what happened!

http://www.johnkerry.com/forms/electiondayreport.php
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:44 PM
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255. THE TRUTH--
The e-voting numbers just DON'T make sense with respect to the exit polls.

The E-VOTING MACHINES have NEVER NEVER NEVER survived a trial in a court of law.

WHYYYYYYYYYYY? They won't let people bring cases and see the PHONY certification!!!!!

THAT'S RIGHT -- elections are being conducted in the US...

WITHOUT THE RULE OF LAW!!!!

WITHOUT JUDICIAL REVIEW!!!

...no wonder the results don't match the exit polls!






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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:46 PM
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256. OTHER IDEAS--
Protest NAKED, AND WHEN CAUGHT, explain it is "Because of the PHONY VOTE!"

STOP TRAFFIC!

GET A MEGAPHONE!
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:46 PM
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257. kickkkk
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:47 PM
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258. kick
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:47 PM
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259. kick
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:49 PM
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260. THEY STOLE YOUR VOTE -- IT IS ALL YOU HAVE LEFT!
Next comes changes to the constitution, and death camps not only for Iraqis, but Americans.

FIGHT BACK NOW!
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:49 PM
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261. kick ASSES
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:54 PM
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262. Spreading the word
Most communities have "alternative" newspapers that will print controversial material avoided by the mainstream. We should all contract the alternative publications in our communications to get them to carry this story. What we need, however, is a clear call to action for readers who share our outrage. What are the specific steps that readers can take to find out if the election results were rigged and if so, to demand that those results be overturned? I personally think there is enough evidence of tampering emerging that voters should demand a new election, at least in those precincts where fraud or gross negligence occurred with regard to counting votes accurately.

We can write letters to editors of newspapers nationwide. Go to www.johnkerry.com for a list of newspapers that endorsed Kerry, including 60 that switched from endorsing Bush in 2000. Also contact NEWS departments at those newspapers to push for a full investigative story.

It would be helpful to get some Republicans involved, if there are any who actually believe elections should be fair. There are several groups such as Republicans for Kerry that might have registered REPS willing to take a stand. How about Eisenhower's son, the lifelong Repubublican who endorsed Kerry?

Why not get help from some Hollywood celebrities? They might be able to get air time when no one else can. Could we find a songwriter who could quickly do a song about this and get it playing on all the pop radio stations and MTV?

Does anybody know a billboard company that might donate billboard space?

How about some public demonstrations? If we could organize a massive march in Washington--millions of voters--the media might be forced to cover it. How about showing up at the media company's stockholder meetings, or urging that all upset voters dump their stock in any of these companies that are publicly held? Can we leaflet cars in public places, preferably where there are lots of travelers who will spread the word?

We need to publish a list of Republican/Bush-supporting owners, CEOs and top executives at the media companies and urge voters to express their outrage over their refusal to cover theft of the election. Maybe we could take out an ad in the NY Times, Washington Post, and some major cities in other parts of the country, too, publicly listing the names and phone numbers.

How about Oprah? Doesn't she have enough clout to air this? She also owns "O" magazine.

Someone needs to make up flyers that we can print off the Internet in droves, with a clear call to action for people in our communities. We need to get MILLIONS of people contacting the networks, public officials, and others in positions of power, including calls to Republican elected officials from outraged voters in their districts.

Miriam
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MelanieArt Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:12 PM
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264. We desperately need copy that we can use for flyers.
My husband, friends and I are all ready to distribute thousands of flyers if only we had something to print up! Is there anything to use yet?

I can design them if need be, but I'd rather not put together my own text. I'd like to leave that to those who are most knowledgable of the situation. Please help with this, we're ready to go! :)



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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:53 PM
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270. Why is everyone saying Olbermann ran from the story?
Sounded like he laid it on the line tonight -- and said he'd keep investigating along with the six congressmen.

Talked about weird stories from Ohio, and the effed up Opti-Scan counties in Florida!
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212demop Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:09 AM
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272. Help me understand!
First, let me preface this by saying that I think that Bev is the first true heroine of our new century.

But I have a problem and I'm not being facetious- I really am this naive. This lockdown business, with outraged reporters who are suppressing stories they really want to tell- who specifically is doing the locking down and how is it being enforced? Surely someone like Ted Koppel or the people at 60 minutes wouldn't let an administration get away with such a scandal. These are people who dig to get at truths and don't get intimidated. And what about Bob Woodward?

What I'm really asking is, and I know this sounds like a stupid question, but who is doing the locking down and why is the entire media complicit in such a scheme? These are people who go into war zones to get a story. They don't scare easy. (and yes, I realize they've totally failed us through the first 4 Bush years, but this sounds like some sort of conscious unanimous contract or scheme and that's a whole other ball of wax, or isn't it?). Help! I'm confused!
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jambojonusa Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:09 AM
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273. Question for Bev Harris or SomeBody???
I agree that the data collecting you are asking for is of the essence.

In the interest of saving time and increased efficiency maybe SomeBody(s) can fill in some of the blanks for the rest of us.

we....need a refinement of Bev's- # 2. CRUNCH THE NUMBERS:

1. We need a list that includes best estimates of states & counties that someone in your organisation feels needs special attention.

If your present research has given you suspicions of where, why not pick on them first?

Or more generally maybe confirm this: What are the states that need attention the most?
Would they be the most contested states, or the states with the most reported voting irregularities.
I'm thinking they would be.

We need some kind of prioritized list please. Or Does it matter? Am I dead wrong?

Some measure of coordination seems sensible.

For instance: When we go out walking precincts with limited time and limited troops to walk them, we try to hit the precincts that will deliver the richest troves first. We don't double walk them over and over either. A bit of a plan would help us all out.

My reasoning is this. Why do the same work several times over? Coordinate:

So if you decide this make sense and we coordinate, the next question is- where and how to coordinate? At blackbox.org? Does DU allow this? Get another message board or list serv up and running specifically for this operation?

At any rate, if nothing else, someone involved needs to post a list of counties already surveyed so the work doesn't get done several times over.

2. Then we could use more specific research tools...to aid those new to such research. Give us a posting that gives where to go to get started. That would be very helpful and almost certainly increase participation.

For those already familair with this kind of research HELP THE REST OF US OUT.
Point us in the right direction. Please.Thanks.

For example: Say its Ohio State or any state. Then if you have the online source for those stats already, That would help alot. If someone has already done this reseach, nows the time to give it. With something like this in hand, I'm betting more people would sign on to gather the data.

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nedbal Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:40 AM
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275. register on her site
"Data as Requested" Help Bev


The least you can do is collect the data from your area, register on her site and post the requested data. I understand her board is having problems , could be thats why I see so few posts there?


http://www.blackboxvoting.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.c ...




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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:20 AM
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274. Listen - If High School Kids Can Get National Coverage
Then we too can get national media attention for our own protest regarding the election and the voter fraud in Ohio and Florida!

These kids ended their sit-in they've been having for a few days now; here's an excerpt from AP:

Boulder High students end post-election protest

By P. Solomon Banda
The Associated Press

Boulder - At least 70 students worried about war, a return of the draft and the future of the environment staged an overnight protest in the Boulder High School library before leaving peacefully this morning.
The students said they wanted assurances from political leaders about the direction of the country.
Rep. Mark Udall, D-Colo., met with some of the students for about an hour after they left the library at 7 a.m.
"We're worried that in four years we're going to be at war with five countries and we're going to have no trees," senior Cameron Ely-Murdock said. "I know that's an extreme position, but I'm really worried about the draft."
President Bush and other administration officials have repeatedly said they have no plans to reinstate a draft, despite concerns about the number of troops needed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Principal Ron Cabrera agreed to let the students spend the night in the library if they would leave in time for Friday morning classes, which they did. A handful of teachers and parents stayed with them.
"It's become a really large learning event about civics and having a political voice. And you can't beat that," Cabrera said.
The sit-in began after school Thursday. The students, who brought sleeping bags and food, said they were not protesting Bush's re-election but were worried about the national debt, Iraq and other issues.
"People are deciding stuff that's going to affect us, and we didn't have a say in it," said Maisie Salinger, 15, a freshman with a peace sign painted on her face.

___________________________________
I happen to be from Colorado, so I'm very proud of these young people.



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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:42 AM
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276. Did Bush Lose... Again?
http://thesquanderer.com/votingmachines.html

Why did Florida voters with one type of machine vote one way,
and voters with a different machine vote another?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 02:25 AM
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277. kick
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212demop Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:40 AM
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279. what does kick mean?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:04 PM
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281. if someone adds to a thread, the topic automatically moves to the top
of the forum It gets "kicked" to the top. If you want a tread to stay on the main page, but have nothing to add to the discussion, you can "kick" it like I did, or like this, with a smilie:

:kick:

welcome to DU, 212demop!

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212demop Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:03 PM
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283. Thanks for explaining!
:)
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Whack_A_Mole Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:53 AM
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280. "even on their own time"
Your un-named source is already in trouble. Please, less tin foil beanie and more facts.

Thank you,

W.A.M.
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rmf Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:56 PM
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285. Now this is democracy at work!
Just donated to Black Box Voting. Bev, you are a true American!
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:00 PM
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288. BBV Information CD ready for Download
http://ladyhawk.landmarkwebhosting.com

I am planning on updating the ISO soon, but this is enough to start with...
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:27 PM
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289. kick - Been out spreading the word
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yancymcgee Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:38 PM
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290. How to Steal an Election - a musical analysis by Yikes McGee
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 08:39 PM by yancymcgee
Bev and all,

You're doing a great job fighting the monsters. Here's a musical interlude for your entertainment. http://www.yikesmcgee.com/Howto%20steal%20an%20election...
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scotjohn Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:07 PM
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292. Any BBV news? Site is down.
Got a blank "cleanup crew" e-mail from Bev today, and now the BBV Web site is down because "server bandwidth has been exceeded..."

Anyone have an update?

Thanks
Scot
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theredpill Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:05 AM
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293. I want to help audit with my software skills using what I found
I am a software engineer and I have been able to alter votes using the GEMS software and database that you had for download at blackboxvoting.org before your site went down due to bandwidth problems. I was able to figure out how to change the votes without an audit trail in about an hour. Now it would take me about 2 minutes. I had never seen this software before either, which means security was not in the original software architecture if I could figure out their algorithm for calculating votes so quickly. This stuff is not even encrypted. Very sad.

1. How can I help?
2. How can we prove fraud at the higher level of millions of votes?
3. When should we start to protest?

Thanks for all of your hard work!
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citizens_unite Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:50 AM
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294. TALK to your community
Bev Harris, you are a gift to us all. Here is what I have been doing to help get out the word:

TALK TO PEOPLE.
i printed out a message with weblinks. it says:
_______________________________
Could the election have been rigged?

YES. Very Easily.
Learn the truth about ballot tampering in computerized systems.
It is much easier than you might think.

www.votergate.tv
www.blackboxvoting.org
www.verifiedvoting.org

take a stand for democracy!
___________________________
i fit about 6 or 8 of these on a page, then xeroxed the page and cut them into slips.
i have been walking around New York City talking to people on subway platforms, sitting at parks, waiting for lights, in a restaurant or cafe, etc. I'm not saying its easy to get the courage to talk to strangers (an odd taboo in my city at least), but I've found, excepting people obviously in a hurry, a lot of the people I start speaking with are responsive to what I have to say about the election and the info I have on the slips I give them. People are looking for answers right now and aren't finding them; I think earnesty and sincerity in talking to each other goes a long way, rather than pitting people as adversaries. When I talk to people, I get their names, I give mine, I make conersation if I can. I urge people to just take the time to go to votergate.tv and watch the video, and make a decision on this then.

Often exlpaining to people that I am just a regular guy, not used to this sort of thing, makes me more comfortable with the conversation. But usually with or without that qualification I end up with a thanks, a handshake, and sometimes an e-mail address.

This has been inspiring work for me. I also plan to throw a viewing party of votergate for my friends and their friends at my house this weekend. I'm baking cookies (wish me luck)!

-Greg
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212demop Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:32 AM
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296. My first
Kick! :)
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:47 PM
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297. kick
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Left coast liberal Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:27 PM
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298. Yet, another Thank you, Bev!
I just wanted to say Thanks for everything you have done and are doing to try to shed some light on this mess.

We don't have tons of cash floating around but I just sent you $100. Keep up the good work!

Also, to all you amazingly, intelligent, thoughtful people on the forum, You ALL Rock! You deserve a round of applause too.

Best wishes and keep up the good fight!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:44 PM
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:34 PM
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302. Statistical Analysis of MIT Professor puts Bush Vote Gain odds at 1 in 50,


All,

Below is more of the mounting evidence that is attempting to quantify the statistical likelihood of E vote tampering in last weeks election.

As Dr. Anick stated, we must have the release of the full exit polling for all states by county, since no definitive conclusion can be drawn without studying all the data,
and county by county exit polling would be the best means for examining claims of fraud.

The Below story can be found at the below URL:

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=405

Sincerely,
David Thieke

A statistical analysis of exit polling conducted for RAW STORY by a former MIT mathematics professor has found the odds of Bush making an average gain of 4.15 percent among all 16 states included in the medias 4 p.m. exit polling is 1 in 50,000, or .002 percent.

The analysis, conducted by former Associate Professor of Mathematics David Anick, also ruled out any significance of a variance between electronic voting and paper ballot states, which RAW STORY reported last week.

In fact, the non-electronic voting states of New York and New Hampshire had higher gains for President Bush than states in the exit polls using some electronic voting: Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Ohio, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada and West Virginia.

In part, the discrepancy in the sites earlier reporting came from the fact that New Hampshire and New York were not included in the reported 6 p.m. polling.

Both states had the greatest Bush gains, by 8.7 and 8.6 percent respectively, and both use non-electronic balloting.

The full breakdown of states by electronic and paper balloting can be found here.

Many of the states, however, including crucial swing states like Florida, Ohio and New Hampshire use optical scan technology which counts the paper ballots. Since these systems use Windows machines and a simple database (many of which are connected by modems to a central tabulator), these states are subject to hacking as well.

The site chose to use the 4 p.m. exit polling because it polled the largest number of states, which would provide a larger sample.

The National Election Pool refuses to release any of their exit polling on any other states, or to break it down by county, without being paid.

On average, Bush made a gain of 4.15 percent when the reported vote was tallied in all sixteen states included in the reported 4 p.m. exit polling conducted by the National Election Pool.

The gain was calculated by taking the difference between Kerry and Bush in the exit poll and comparing it with the difference between Kerry and Bush in the reported vote.

Anick reasons that there are four possible causes of the Bush gains. (1) Significantly greater lying or refusal to speak to pollsters in Bush voters versus Kerry voters; (2) Consistent/systematic errors in weighting demographic groups; (3) A surge of Bush voters after 4 p.m., in all states; (4) Systematic tampering/hacking of reported vote totals, in Bushs favor.

In no state did Bush have a loss. Bushs support in the reported vote tallies went up in every single state compared with the exit polling.

The Pool conducts exit polling paid for by the Associated Press and five television networks, which is used in part for calling winners.

Besides New Hampshire and New York, Bush also made sizable gains in Florida, 7.0 percent, Pennsylvania, 4.8 percent, and Colorado, 4.6 percent.

Exit polling is used in many foreign countries to determine the legitimacy of the reported results; some note that in the American situation, however, the variance is not of the size at which foreign observers would question an election.

RAW STORY and Dr. Anick have called for the release of the full exit polling for all states by county. No real conclusion can be drawn without all the data, and county by county exit polling would be the best means for examining claims of fraud.

The National Election Pools spokesman, at CBS News, has not returned repeated calls for comment.

Exit Polling Reported Vote
State Kerry Bush Diff. Kerry Bush Diff. Bush Gain
AR 45 54 -9 45 54 -9.8 0.8
CO 49 50 -1 47 52 -5.6 4.6
FL 51 49 2 47 52 -5.0 7.0
IA 50 49 1 49 50 -0.9 1.9
MI 52 46 6 51 48 3.4 2.6
MN 52 46 6 51 48 3.5 2.5
MO 47 52 -5 46 53 -7.3 2.3
NH 54 44 10 50 49 1.4 8.6
NJ 54 44 10 53 46 6.2 3.8
NM 50 48 2 49 50 -1.1 3.1
NV 49 48 1 48 50 -2.6 3.6
NY 62 36 26 58 40 17.3 8.7
OH 51 49 2 49 51 -2.5 4.5
PA 53 46 7 51 49 2.2 4.8
WI 51 48 3 50 49 0.4 2.6
WV 45 54 -9 43 56 -13.0 4.0

State Kerry Bush Diff. Kerry Bush Diff. Bush Gain
AR 45 54 -9 45 54 -9.8 0.8
CO 49 50 -1 47 52 -5.6 4.6
FL 51 49 2 47 52 -5.0 7.0
IA 50 49 1 49 50 -0.9 1.9
MI 52 46 6 51 48 3.4 2.6
MN 52 46 6 51 48 3.5 2.5
MO 47 52 -5 46 53 -7.3 2.3
NH 54 44 10 50 49 1.4 8.6
NJ 54 44 10 53 46 6.2 3.8
NM 50 48 2 49 50 -1.1 3.1
NV 49 48 1 48 50 -2.6 3.6
NY 62 36 26 58 40 17.3 8.7
OH 51 49 2 49 51 -2.5 4.5
PA 53 46 7 51 49 2.2 4.8
WI 51 48 3 50 49 0.4 2.6
WV 45 54 -9 43 56 -13.0 4.0



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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:37 PM
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303. Correction : MIT Professor puts Bush Vote Gain odds at 1 in 50,000

Not 1 in 50, 1 in 50,000 . A Very Significant Difference.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:56 PM
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304. Bev - here's a draft letter to put heat on Diebold - please circulate
The more people lay the pressure on, the less likely this will happen again.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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rmf Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:40 AM
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305. Keith Olbermann interview with Newsweek
Keith interviewed a guest from Newsweek last night (11.10.04)
about the Voter Fraud controversy. This guest suggested that
the reason the media had not picked up the story earlier was
because of the 3.5 million voter difference. I emailed Keith
Olbermann telling him that his guest did not take into
consideration that we don't elect our presidents based on the
popular voter but on the Electoral College. With this in mind
there was a difference of 136,000. When you couple this with
this new revelation of the FBI, Homeland Security asking whole
precincts to shut down in Ohio (on election day!) because of a
terror threat, this whole thing becomes more ominous. 

P.S. Keith contacted the FBI and Homeland Security asking
about this. They know nothing about a terror threat or the
shutting down of voter precincts on election day.
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femmesphere Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:49 PM
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306. mini posters
I created a page of mini posters for people to print. They look good on bright orange paper. This is my small donation to the cause... I am an unemployed graphic artist. If you need anything else let me know. I can get it done for you. I'm willing to donate my time.

Download the file here:

http://www.celinesmith.com/miniposters.pdf

if you don't have adobe acrobat reader download it at adobe.com.
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seaclyr Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:45 AM
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307. New statistical analysis - 250 million to one!
U Penn professor Steven Freeman has analyzed the discrepancy between exit polls and vote counts for the battleground states. His analysis shows that the odds of the discrepancies occurring by chance for the three battleground states of Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio is 250 million to 1. Given that, as he points out, exit polls are to be trusted and there are no objective data to suppose this election was any different, there is a strong, strong possibility that the vote count was off. How about that?

Reference: "The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy", Steven F. Freeman, Ph.D. University of Pennsylvania, November 10, 2004. His e-mail is stfreema@sas.upenn.edu . The article is listed on Buzzflash, it's a pdf file.
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:03 AM
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308. Kick
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JTodd Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:32 PM
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309. States with electronic voting machines gave Bush mysterious 5% advantage
The exit polls did not "get it wrong". Exit polls are almost never wrong. So reliable are the surveys that actually tap voters as they leave the polling places that they are used as guides to the relative honesty of elections all over the world. To screw up one exit poll is unheard of. To miss six of them is incredible. It boggles the imagination how pollsters could be that incompetent and invites speculation that more than honest error was at play here.

EVERY STATE that had E-Voting but no paper trails had an unexplained advantage for Bush of around +5% when comparing exit polls to actual results. In EVERY STATE that had paper ballots or audit trails on their E-Voting, the exit poll results match the actual results reported within the margin of error. From a statistical perspective, this may be indicative of vote rigging, because the likelihood of this happenning by chance is extremely low. A study of 16 states by a former MIT mathematics professor places the likelihood at 1 in 50,000.

In 2003 Wally O'Dell CEO of Diebold, said in a letter to Ohio Republican officials that he was committed, "to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President". Diebold is the company which makes electronic touch screen voting machines used in Ohio and other states. Ohio and Florida were two of the "swing" states critical to the 2004 election.

It has been alleged by statisticians, computer scientists, voters, voting rights organizations and others that the US Presidential Election of November 2004 was fraught with significant data irregularities and systematic flaws, both real and potential, which taken together indicate potential vote fraud. In many cases there were concerns as to whether votes were fairly, reliably, and accurately recorded and reported by the electronic machines involved.

Supporting these conclusions, here are bar graphs indicating the differentials between Exit Polls and Machine Tallies for nine e-voting and paper ballot states. The discrepancies appear to affect the e-voting states to a significantly greater degree than they affect the Paper Ballot states. Exit polling accurately predicted the results in most states with very little error. Where there were discrepancies, they were significant in the +5 percent range, and always favored Bush.

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citizens_unite Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:50 PM
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310. New York Times gives up on journalism
Anyone else here outraged by the New York Times article today? Here's a copy of the letter I wrote them:

_____________________
I have been an avid reader of the New York Times for years, and you officially lost my readership today with the publication of Tom Zeller Jr.'s article " Vote Fraud Theories, Spread by Blogs, Are Quickly Buried." This highly biased piece misses the vast majority of vote fraud concerns, instead addressing the least substantive and most easily dismissed arguments. It paints grassroots concerns as wild, unfounded postulations, neglecting the recorded facts about the unreliability of computerized voting machines and the numerous recorded instances of vote miscounts and vote losses.

Your paper is out of touch with the nation. We want to be sure that our right to vote is being safeguarded, and if papers like yours will not stand up for the people and investigate the issues, we will turn to alternative media sources, and to each other. It is already happening, and it is a trend you cannot fight with biased articles and selective reporting. The power of the internet "rumor mill," of which Zeller seems acutely aware, is also your own readership's power to shut you down. You've turned your back on America, you have lost our trust, and it will not easily be won again.
____________________

Could someone start a new thread to discuss this?
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