Karl Rove: Gays are contradictory to a "hopeful and decent" society

[Bluebear]

To those who bemoaned that Kerry "lost"* because of gay marriage and it was "too much, too soon", voila. Today the rhetoric notches up a bit.

First they came for the_______, but I wasn't ______..... Name your poison.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush will renew a quest in his second term for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage as essential to a "hopeful and decent" society, his top political aide said on Sunday.

Bush's call for a constitutional ban on gay marriages failed last year in Congress, but his position was seen as a key factor motivating Christian conservatives concerned about "moral values" to turn out in large numbers and help supply Bush with a winning margin in last week's election.

"If we want to have a hopeful and decent society, we ought to aim for the ideal, and the ideal is that marriage ought to be, and should be, a union of a man and a woman," Bush political aide Karl Rove told "Fox News Sunday."

Rove said Bush would "absolutely" push the Republican-controlled Congress for a constitutional amendment, which he said was needed to avert the aims of "activist judges" who would permit gay marriages.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&ncid=584&e=1&u=/nm/20041107/pl_nm/bush_agenda_dc


* Your results may vary depending on electronic voting schemes.

[Liberal Veteran]

1. Okay...the kidgloves are OFF.

I am not gonna pussyfoot around with these Christo-fascists any longer.

[Skidmore]

2. The question that should be asked by the Dems and everyone else

who is likeminded on these news programs when this topic comes up is "Who do you come after next?", after looking the Repub spokesperson directly in the eye.

[Bluebear]

3. And indeed amongst our own

Those here who were so willing to "dump" the gay issue might wonder who's next. Already a newly elected senator has called for the death penalty for doctors who perform abortions.

[liberalhistorian]

12. WHO THE HELL SAID THAT?

You're joking, right? PLEASE tell me you're joking, right???? Good God Almighty, NOTHING surprises me anymore!

OTOH, abortion is still legal, at least for the moment, and it's a little hard to give someone the death penalty for doing something that's legal. At least, in the normal world it is. Well, the doctors wanted this-most were repubs who wanted to not be held accountable for any mistakes that harm their patients, and they're also on the side of the drug companies instead of their patients.

Now, if someone were to suggest the death penalty for doc who refuse to treat patients, even those with serious illnesses, because they don't have insurance or don't have enough insurance or have no money, or docs who sue patients for money they don't have, or docs who side with the drug companies and HMO's instead of their patients.........

[Bluebear]

29. Senator-elect Coburn R - Oklahoma

Tom Coburn, Republican, 56. Coburn, a physician, returns to Congress four years after leaving his House seat because of self-imposed term limits.

Coburn is a leading opponent of abortion who has said he would support the death penalty for those who perform abortions if the procedure were made illegal.

He is known for his willingness to break with the party leadership.

http://www.indystar.com/articles/8/192650-7298-168.html

[sakabatou]

58. Right...

And killing a fetus will be the same as first degree murder...

:puke:

[lanparty]

35. If we loose a single judge ...

If we loose a single judge, abortion rights will be gone. But I kinda think that the Republicans WILL NOT WAIT. They will introduce an amendment BANNING abortion!!!

At that point, we need to trot out all the coat hanger abortion and female mortality rates from procedures that REQUIRE abortion!!!

So DROP the gay marriage issue because we got MORE IMPORTANT fish to fry!!!!

[Bluebear]

40. WE NEVER BROUGHT UP THE GAY MARRIAGE ISSUE

And I will tell you I don't know many gays who do not stand up for our sisters right to choose. We expect to fight for each other and either sink or rise up together.

[Ann Arbor Dem]

44. Huh?

>>>So DROP the gay marriage issue because we got MORE IMPORTANT fish to fry!!!!

Are you being facetious or serious?

[noiretextatique]

70. they are not going to drop either issue

they are getting too much mileage out of both.

[foreigncorrespondent]

89. I really do hope...

So DROP the gay marriage issue because we got MORE IMPORTANT fish to fry!!!!

...that is a real bad try at humor!

[DELUSIONAL]

68. first gays and then abortion --

this seems to be their game plan.

And some fools in DU (male) have already expressed their willingness to toss out a women's right to choose in order to "win" on the moral issues.

And other people have been blaming the gays for loss.

We don't have to compromise our moral core -- THEIR side won by cheating -- WE are the majority.

Rove is going to get people to believe that bushie actually won -- and that he wants to claim as the reasons -- INTOLERANCE AND HATE.

Some people here seem to watch too much TV and they are getting brain washed.

Turn off the TV -- just do it -- cold turkey.

[mitchtv]

22. Hey , they Dump the gays, there will be no reason for me to

support choice. An LCR is born

[donheld]

39. LCR?

what is that?

[mitchtv]

84. Log Cabin Republican

.

[donheld]

96. OMG! I hate those...

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[prodigal_green]

23. feminists

abortionists, blacks, muslims, intellectuals, Jews...why would they even hide their agenda anymore?

[lanparty]

it will come anyway ...

They don't EXPECT the matter to pass. Just like they didn't EXPECT all those flag burning issues to pass!!!

All they're doing is pulling a bait and switch. They're burning up airtime with a hot button issue. Get the Democrats in one house to vote for the issue and the states will stall on it!!! YOU WATCH!!!! It's wedge issue value will dissipate when Democrats start voting for it!!! Therefore it will be of ZERO value to them!!!!

What will come next will come anyway. Better to get this issue that ONLY REFLECTS THE STATUS QUO out of the way so we can fight over substantial issues that affect 95% of the population instead of 5%!!!!

What is coming next is an assault on abortion rights. Here too the Democrats need to be pre-emptive and INTRODUCE legislation banning the non-existent procedure called "partial birth abortion" for cases where the mother's life is NOT at risk. Guess what, the wedge DISSAPEARS!!! And the legislation has ZERO value to the Pukes!!!


Dammit, you folks are getting JUST like the Republicans. Your obsessed with the PRINCIPLE of things instead of the EFFECT!!!! Get a little more savvy and you'll win some more elections!!!

You gotta face that the Pukes are going to have there way on MOST things now. We have to PRIORITIZE and pick our battles. Grandstanding on an issue that effects only 5% of the population will GET US NO WHERE!!!!

[Bluebear]

38. "Grandstanding on an issue that effects only 5% of the population"

And you say WE'RE just like Republicans?

[Misunderestimator]

49. Oh, yeah, you're right... fuck the 5% (more like 10%) but who cares?

As long as 90% of the population has its issues addressed and we protect THEIR rights, then fuck the gay population. Yeah, that's the spirit. It may be a distraction, and they may not expect it to pass, but give them one inch on this issue THEY ARE FUCKING RAISING then they WILL get it passed. "Pick our battles"... you go pick your own damn battles and don't tell me that a constitutional amendment robbing me of any possibility of equality as a citizen is STATUS QUO.

Fortunately for African-Americans there were plenty of people willing to stand for that 10%... and THAT fight was to GAIN rights, not to prevent the government from ensuring them to never have any. Unbelievable ... status quo, my ass.

[Cyrix]

54. 5%....

Because GLBT people don't have family and friends. Believe it or not the issue isn't JUST important to GLBT people.

[eurolefty]

77. Yeah...

What's the deal? Why is everybody so upset?
Can't we all just have a group hug with freepers? :grouphug:
Can't you see how nice it is to be a doormat? O8)

[freetobegay]

81. Honey if you think it's only 5% you need to step into the real world!

Why don't we just shoot that "5%" & be done with it?

[Malva Zebrina]

4. He throws the words around even if they mean nothing

like "hopeful" and "decent" society. What the hell does that mean? It appeals to emotions that's all.

I wish we did not have to suffer this man for four more years.

[lanparty]

41. Well it's newspeak ...

And the words DO NOT have meaning anymore!! This is what the Pukes are doing. They're systematically redifining the English language and getting rid of ANY sense of nuance or reflection.

We have to face something. We CANNOT rely on nuance or ANYTHING complicated. The Republicans have been running around screaming like chicken little for the last 20 years. Guess What ... IT WORKED.

So now we have to do the same!!!!

[clydefrand]

5. Poor Mary Cheney. She'll never be able to wed her partner.

[Bluebear]

8. How "tawdry" to bring her into this

Lynne is mad at you.

[LibertyorDeath]

6. That is hate pure & simple Hate

What a Vile person he truly is.

This is not acceptable this must be stopped.

No Honesty & Transparency of Government is essential to a "hopeful and decent" society you fascist Fuck.

[JohnKleeb]

7. and fundmentalists who seek to politicize religion are worse

jeez, I cant believe these fuckers.

[Deja Q]

9. But didn't * support gays just a few days before the election?

May they take Mary Cheney before they get to me. Ladies first.

[Hello_Kitty]

10. To the panty-waists who think we should give in on gay rights:

Fuck that shit!!!!!

[SmokingJacket]

11. I am not religious, but I am going to start praying for a special

extra-hot hell for Rove to enjoy in the afterlife.

What does he know about hopeful and decent?? That man would sell his grandmother to a sex ring if it would win him an election.

Really does hammer home the point that Dems must support ALL of the groups that have made us what we are. No more talk of ditching issues, pleeeeeeease.

[Jack Schitt]

13. These Christians aren't helping me get back into the religion.

They're all fucking nutcases.

[thomas_a]

14. I Agree

Dick Cheney's campaign manager is contradictory to a hopeful and decent society.

[JudyM]

20. Touche!

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[Deja Q]

64. JUST AS HITLER CONDEMNED THE JEWS. My GLBT family, we are

in grave danger.

Keep aware and vigilant.

:grouphug:

[Cleopatra2a]

16. Watching hitler and stalin on History channel

so many similarities!

[HappinessPie]

69. I'm doing the same thing - it behooves us to pay attention to them too.

[CornField]

17. History has shown them that judges uphold the law...

not the popular opinion polls. How many times in the past have the courts come down on the side of what is ethically and morally right? Why are mixed-race marriages allowed in this nation even though several states passed amendments banning them?

Folks, we've *got* to protect our judicial branch of government.

[lanparty]

46. Not Bush's brand of judge ...

He's not appointing judges. He's appointing simpleminded right wing synchophants like Clarence Thomas!!!

Thomas doesn't believe in judicial precedence. He believes in "natural law", no not the one's from Darwin .. the natural law of GOD!!!!

I daresay they would appoint Roy Moore to the high court at their FIRST opportunity. These judges hold BIBLICAL law above constitutional law!!!

You can expect more of the same from the Bushies. This is why Arlen Specter issued his warning. I don't think the timing was an accident. He's a smart man. He KNEW the Bushies would show their hand by their reaction. Something deep down tells me that the moderate Republicans may throw their support to a "bipartisan leadership council" that guarantees a moderate majority leader with maoderate committe chairman with a few Democrats sprinkled in there!!!

[JudyM]

18. Scary thing is that they're going to use this to throw off opposition

on other initiatives. This is what they're so good at -- diverting people from the uglies they're accomplishing behind the scenes.

how the hell did this crowd get back into power?

[mitchtv]

19. we need to picket fundie churches with pictures of maimed Iraqi

children and shame their anti life asses

[lovedems]

32. I saw a story that a girl working for the Kerry campaign was canvassing

door to door and when a 6 year old girl saw her Kerry/Edwards shirt she said, "He is the guy who kills babies."

We need signs of dead Iraqi children with Bush's picture and BABY KILLER painted in red. How do you think the fundies would like that?

I have had it with these people. I don't want to play nice anymore.

[lawladyprof]

45. Well, I did my anti-war marching with a baby doll that I cut the feet off

I covered the stumps and painted them red. Then had a sign that said, "Gift of the American people." I got some serious criticism about it at work (I learned later). I had visions of thousands of people marching cradling baby dolls with various body parts amputated--then sending all those little feet and hands, arms and legs to members of Congress.

[mitchtv]

85. anti warmarches are onr thing, and thank you for it,but

how about white southern Baptist churches?

[mitchtv]

86. anti war marches are one thing, and thank you for it,but

how about white southern Baptist churches? These must be our new "partial birth abortion" issue to offens and scare children of fundies.

[Karenina]

37. Turnabout

is FAIR PLAY. Excellent idea.

[liberalmuse]

21. That's rich.

In Rove's case, it would be between a union between woman and swine. I swear, dating a Republican is borderline beastiality.

[lovedems]

24. GRRRRR

Well KKKarl, my IDEAL would be for your fat, pink, little pig face to be out of a job! So while you work for your ideal, I will work for mine which is to work AGAINST your ideals!

I truly hate that man. Fat little bigot.

[BRLIB]

25. First Cheney should resign or be impeached, since

as the Rethugs say that orientation is not genetic, then Cheney has failed miserably as a parent as he has created a faggot, lesbian, gay monster in his daughter! He is an insult to Christianity, and should resign or be impeached.

But, what about death penalty for the parents of gays? Now there's a thought!

[GRLMGC]

26. Giggling, murdering criminals are contradictory to a

"hopeful and decent" society. I hate Bush so much.

[Lorien]

27. It's working; America won't see voter fraud because of Gay

Marriage. Yeah, the repugs are being a group of bigoted hatemongers with this issue, but don't let them succeed in making it the ONLY issue. There's the election, the war, the economy, the environment...don't let Rove succeed!

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. MY definitions of "hopeful and decent" is quite different from theirs.

"I" don't believe it's hopeful or decent to kill thousands of innocent people. I don't think it's hopeful or decent to preemptively attack another sovereign country. I don't think it's hopeful or decent to have millions of citizens going without jobs. I don't think it's hopeful or decent to have millions of citizens going without health care. I don't think it's hopeful or decent to steal elections. I don't think it's hopeful or decent to LIE about WMD. I could go on and on and on.

They can take their hopeful and decent and shove it up their ass.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

30. Hitler aide: Jews are contradictory to a "hopeful and decent" society

Welcome to the Fourth Reich, folks...

As hopeful as I would like to be, I clearly foresee an era of christo-religious fascism in this country.

WE HAVE NOT LEARNED THE LESSONS OF NAZI GERMANY.

JB

[Cha]

31. rove is "contradictory"

"to a hopeful and decent" society..and with every fiber of my being I am Board to prove that!

[miss_kitty]

33. so how many people would be outraged if asshat bigots replaced 'gay'

with 'negroes' or 'jews'?

same thing IMO. Who is giving these puke-worthy fucks a pass on 'gay'?

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[lawladyprof]

75. Well, cult members have to have an enemy

Someone posted that since overt racism was, for the most part, frowned upon gays have become the group to attack--even as Muslims have replaced the Russians (looking into Pooty Poot's soul) as the enemy de jour.

[glitch]

34. Every time you think Rove is the creepiest thing alive today, he confirms

it.

[neebob]

36. Uh, no Karl

You and George Bush and all the people who believe your bullshit are contradictory to a hopeful and decent society.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. lovely, just lovely

fist they came for the trade Unionist.....

Look folks this is the first salvo and who is next?

Death camps ARE in our future, and I cannot get this through the head of many of my closests relatives

[Bluebear]

48. Or of board members!

I just read that gays are only 5% of the population so it's not the 'most' important issue. I say we all sink or swim together. Your agenda is mine.

[T Bone]

43. Sounds like the VALUES plan for the 2006 mid-term elections

Whaddya bet? They will have this amendment in the house and senate for debate and vote just prior to the 2006 mid term elwections, then they can go out and use it to bludgeon Dem candidates, especially incumbents, on the campaign trail. mark this post.

[lanparty]

50. I'm not sure they can hold their wad ...

One thing I've noticed is that the Pukes do NOT have a good poker face. They don't know how to hold their wads!!! They believe they have a clear majority and will push for it relentlessly and without thought!!!

No, I think the anti-abortion amendment will come out of the FIRST session of congress!!!!

[soleft]

47. Been wondering, is Karl Rove married?

Just wondering. This smacks of self loathing projection.

[lanparty]

51. He's married ...

But plenty of gays get married and have kids, than they come out when they're 50 after their kids grow up!

I'm in the "Gay Rove" category!!!

[highplainsdem]

59. See the DU thread on his personal life at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1334140 .

He is married, to his second wife. He married for the first time when he was 30, and it lasted only a few years. His second marriage -- to a woman slightly older than he is, who looks a bit like him -- has lasted since 1986, and he has a teenage son.

But there are some indications that he's a closet gay. Especially the way he talks about his first meeting with W. Journalists have noticed, too, and mention that it was "love at first sight" for Rove. He just loved *'s butch clothes and swagger and smile and charisma...and the outline of the tobacco tin in the pocket of *'s jeans, according to a Rove quote in one article. When asked about Poppy, Rove's comments tend to be fairly general, but he hasn't forgotten any of the details of that first meeting with Smirk.

That is NOT normal for a heterosexual. Not in my experience, anyway.

Editing to add this quote, from the New Yorker profile of Rove (you can find that at http://bnfp.org/neighborhood/Lemann_Rove_NYM.htm ):

I asked Rove if he remembered his first impression of the Bushes. "The father was incredibly gentle," he said. "Great character. Very thoughtful. Really generous in his openness and attitude. Clearly pained by Watergate as it unrolled." His first memory of George W. Bush was more precise. "It was the day before Thanksgiving, 1973," Rove said. "Chairman Bush´s chief of staff called me and said, 'I've got to be at a meeting on the Hill, the chairman´s got to be at a meeting at the White House, the other people in the office have already gone, and the eldest son is going to be coming down from Harvard. He's going to arrive at the train station, early afternoon. He'll call over here when he gets to the train station. Meet him down in the lobby and give him the keys to the family car." I can literally remember what he was wearing: an Air National Guard flight jacket, cowboy boots, bulletins, complete with the-in Texas you see it a lot-one of the back pockets will have a circle worn in the pocket from where you carry your tin of snuff, your tin of tobacco. He was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have."

And this is from the Guardian article at http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1165126,00.html :

The incident marked the genesis of the Rove-Bush axis and it was in Washington that Rove met the younger Bush. He fell, politically speaking, in love. "Huge amounts of charisma, swagger, cowboy boots, flight jacket, wonderful smile, just charisma - you know, wow," Rove recalled years later.

That article also explains that in the late 1970s, according to one Texas political consultant, Rove's real job in Texas was babysitting W during his drinking days.

Here's the pic of Rove with his lookalike wife:

[AuntPatsy]

52. He would feel so much better if he would just come out? I can understand

why he is in essence so hateful, when one cannot come to terms with one's sexuality it must in effect be so frustrating..and for him, it seems to have bread a hatred he doesn't seem to understand..

I have no sympathy for him whatsoever though, he made his bed, and like the old saying goes, he now must lie in the mire of his choosing...

[mcar]

53. Who is the group

that was threatening to out Repuke legislators and staffers?

I think the time has come. Gloves off is right. I'm heterosexual, but this kind of talk infuriates me. "Hopeful and decent society" my butt.

These people are nowhere near moral and their values stink. Out 'em all -- gay, adulterer, drunk, drug addict, pedophile -- they should all be outed.

Let's let all those good "family values" people see what their leaders are really like.

[SammyWinstonJack]

55. Karl Rove is a stain on humanity and as such he should be removed

ASAP! Hey Rove, Go Cheney yourself! What a disgusting human being and I use the term loosely! Who died and made him relevant?

[Hubert Flottz]

56. I was afraid he might take me up on it!

KKKarl would look good with an apple in his piehole!

[Arkana]

57. Karl Rove is contradictory to a hopeful and decent society.

The man is a grade-A pigfucker.

[w13rd0]

60. Rather than once again...

...letting the pink tutus throw another core group within the base under the bus, why don't we throw a couple of these congressmen under the bus. I'm sick of sacrificing so they can appear unprincipled and keep their jobs.

[hangloose]

61. This is a bigger story than trying to marginalize Gays, it is a first

step in gaining a mandate to strip away rights and establish a new permanent underclass. They will not use a "star" this time they will find another symbol, but there will be an identifying mark. If anyone thinks they will stop at Gays think again. Gays are a warm up, kinda like the 2000 and 2002 elections. Gays are the easiest to pick off and once they succeed who's next? Well let me see..... abortion doctors, agnostics, atheists, people with accents, and lets not forget, in time, anyone who disagrees with the police state.

We all focus on Iraq as a oil source to feed our glutenous lifestyles. But think of it as a great location for the next American gulag.

[Sara Beverley]

62. God, I wish Rove would be "outed."

I just know he is some kind of a pervert.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

65. I would just love for some big sex scandal or something to come out

on Rove. He will reap what he sows, y'all.

You know, I can just see him into S&M. I'm not that good w/ Photoshop, but can someone do something up on Rove in some type of harness? That would be funny as shit.

[Bluebear]

83. Oh the scandals are there I am sure

Up until now we just haven't played that game.

[foreigncorrespondent]

95. Sara, just a small request!

Please try and not use the words "outed" and "pervert" like you have. Those are trigger words for a lot of LGBT people.

Thanks. :)

[Pushed To The Left]

63. This is another reason

This is another reason for all DU'ers to become monthly donors to the ACLU and PFAW. The right-wing is so terrified of the ACLU, that they are making up LIES about them!!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/cemetery.asp

[Justice]

66. People have posted on DU that 22% of gays voted for Bush

Explain that one to me.

[AldebTX]

72. 48% of women voted for bush

52 % of men
20% of African Americans
30% of people in the blue states
60% of the people in the red states

Get my point?

Gays are as diverse as any other segment of the population and cross several segments...we aren't a solid voting block...any more then women, men, or other groups.

So when you can explain the other numbers you can explain our 22%

[Misunderestimator]

80. Very well put. There are stupid people in every group.

And I would really like to see where they got that 22% anyway. Just a normal poll where after they ask all the questions the last one is, "are you gay"... and if normal polls have, say, 1000 people polled, and 4% say they're gay... we're talking about a poll of 40 gay people where 8 or 9 of them said they voted for Bush. How reliable could that be? It's just a bit different than taking a poll of other minorities.

[noiretextatique]

73. explain why ANYONE voted for *?

and there you will find your explanation.

[Darranar]

67. So equality is a threat to a "hopeful and decent society"?

More "morality" from the Right.

[fidgeting wildly]

71. I'm so angry that I just started crying again.

FUCK!!!

They'll come for my gay and lesbian friends and coworkers over my dead body, I can tell you that.

Yeah, I want a hopeful and decent society too, but it is crystal clear to me that it won't be arriving in the next four years. I can't think of anything farther from hopeful and decent than *co.

[lawladyprof]

74. Well, in the interests (they believe) of discouraging

X number of people (who in my opinion are bi-sexual at the very least--hey, either you're attracted to same sex people or you're not) from adopting a non-celibate (non-closeted and concealed) lifestyle, they are more than willing to encourage illicit sex and discourage fidelity and monogamy. And it is the same with teenagers and sex, in the interests of having Y number of teens abstinate (might have much of a sex drive anyway), they are more than willing to throw Z number of "bad girls" to the wolves. Pardon the pun. Give me a break.

[pinto]

76. I don't believe a constitutional amendment to "define" marriage will

succeed. And neither, I presume, do the Republicans. It is a political tool. I support "ignore".

[Zorra]

78. Rove is contradictory to a "hopeful and decent" society. He's evil, and

he revels in his evil.

Rove is already in hell.

Simply being Karl Rove is the worst punishment a human could endure.

[sangh0]

79. I don't let repukes tell me which issues are important

Most of the GLBT's I know, some of them politically active, do NOT consider gay marriage to be the #1 problem facing them. While I do not think we should retreat one inch on this issue, I don't think we should let the repukes decide which issues are to be debated, and which are to be ignored.

Whatever happened to fighting for civil unions? It was SO controversial just a decade ago in Vermont, and now they're almost considered normal. We've made such progress there. Does anyone think the GLBT community wants to drop this issue?

And what about hate crimes legislation? What about medical coverage for the children of a working GLBT's partner? What happened to the fight to end discrimination in employment and housing for GLBT's?

[idiosyncratic]

82. What is not "hopeful and decent" about two people in love

who want to demonstrate their love and commitment to each other by getting married?

ERRGGGGGHH! :crazy:

[baldguy]

87. Greedy corporate bastards are contradictory to a hopeful & decent society

HEY, KARL! THAT'S YOU!

[Djinn]

88. I heard that "hopeful and decent"

quote on the radio this morning and nearly puked up my coffee - how does someone get away with saying such utter utter bigoted trash??

This isn't a "gay issue" that effects only "XYZ % of the population" it's an EQUAL RIGHTS issue - they effect all of us.

If I'd been alive in the 60's and an American should I have not bothered about Jim Crow laws, after all they wouldn't have effected a lily white liek me?

[Carolab]

90. Rove is a self-loathing closet gay

and this proves it. Anyone ever see him with a woman? Is he married? What is up with him anyway?

[mitchum]

91. Odd talk coming from someone who brought a DISABLED child...

into the world. I believe that Rove's predescessors eventually got around to rounding them up also

[foreigncorrespondent]

92. You just know the...

...concentration camps are on the way now.

The boy wonder* is gonna push for the FMA, best we keep a very close eye on the wording they use in it this time.

God help us all!

[arwalden]

93. dupe

[arwalden]

94. Dear Karl Rove: Open Wide And Plant Your Ruby Reds Around My Sphincter ...

And suck the shit out of my rectum you miserable pathetic vomitous sack of decaying entrails.

[Ladyhawk]

97. FUCK ROVE!!!!!

Sweet Jesus I hate Karl Rove. :mad: