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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:12 PM
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Alan Simpson about to challenge Maher to a duel I think...
...they're goin' at it! :D
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:14 PM
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1. details?
I hate this shit. If you're gonna post something post some details!
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:16 PM
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yeah really
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:18 PM
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3. Maher asked him what the blue states "don't get"...
It started with Simpson accusing Maher of gay-bashing and it swiftly went downhill when Maher said "Well, give my apologies to the two gay people in Wyoming"...Simpson started shaking his finger and spitting out "Bullshit!"
Simpson said as long as we keep "making fun of people" and "Hollywood thinks they're smarter than everyone else" we'll never get it.
Simpson finally "pulled the plug" on the interview (it was on the big screen).
How's that?
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:21 PM
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4. Damn!
I'll have to wait for the transcript.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:30 PM
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9. When you're reading it, try to imagine it as a 3D film...
with Simpson's finger poking right out of the screen at your nose and his spit flyin' around...he was frothin'.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:48 PM
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14. haha
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:28 PM
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8. What did Maher say to have SImpson acuse him of "gay-bashing?"
???????????
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:32 PM
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10. Simpson was talking about how "open-minded" he is...
Mentioned his work with the republican unity something-or-other, a group of gay repukes, and he said they were "very active", to which Maher replied "Oh, I'll bet they are" and off Simpson went.
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Medium Baby Jesus Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:27 AM
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30. Apparently that's the new repug talking point
Democrats are out of touch with the heartland. Talk down to middle America, make fun of religion... Fucking sickening. Since when is the South and the midwest "real America"? I thought the first thirteen colonies were on the east coast. I better stop. I might break my computer. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:24 AM
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35. It's got Karen Hughes all over it! n/t
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:22 PM
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5. Oh yeah, and Simpson said when Matthew Shephard was
murdered in Wyoming, "the whole state felt bad so why don't you stick that in your pipe!" (more finger shaking)
It was pretty fast-moving once they got rippin', sorry buddy.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:19 AM
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38. HBO made a film abour Sheppard and Wyoming - so we know how bad
"the whole state" really felt.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:16 PM
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2. Oh, shit!
Maher challenged *him* to one! ROFL!
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:24 PM
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6. I know, huh? "Why are ya goin' all Zell on me?" he said.
That was a riot, in a couple o' ways. :D
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:25 PM
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7. Damn, now Andrew Sullivan is starting up on making fun of
religious folk...shaddup!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:49 PM
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15. Sully is actually mocking right wingers???
I'm suprised to hear this.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:10 PM
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22. He was going both ways...tryin' to be a "uniter" I guess.
He told Maher since he always condemns the zealots on the right, Maher should condemn Chomsky and Michael Moore.
Maher said "There's a difference between disagreeing and condemning!"
I don't believe that this "unity" thing will ever work. :eyes:
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:12 PM
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23. Andy Sullivan only attacks the Right Wing when they attack Gays.
Sully is the typical self-serving Republican.
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fairyduster Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:34 PM
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11. The repubs have absolute power now (they think)
and they are freaking out! They can't blame Dems for anything now.
LOL!!
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:36 PM
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12. The silver lining. :-) n/t
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:43 PM
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13. Alan Simpson - Lover of Saddam Hussein
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 10:44 PM by HootieMcBoob
Saddam Hussein's Republican press agent

During a visit to Iraq in April 1990 (four months before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait), Republican Senator from Wyoming Alan Simpson told Hussein:

"I believe that your problems lie with the Western media, and not with the U.S. government. As long as you are isolated from the media, the press and it is a haughty and pampered press -- they all consider themselves political geniuses. That is, the journalists do. They are very cynical. What I advise is that you invite them to come and see for themselves."

Simpson later disputed the overall accuracy of the text, saying Hussein "manipulated and abridged" the transcript. However, the Wyoming legislator conceded that his comments about the press were quoted correctly.

Simpson's statement looks even worse when you consider that in the previous month Saddam had executed an Iraq-born reporter on trumped-up charges of espionage. Farzad Bazoft, who worked for the leftish British newspaper The Observer, had been investigating Saddam's weapons-development programs.

During the Iraq war itself, however, Simpson was among the loudest to condemn that press for "supporting Saddam". Simpson was no longer buddying up to Saddam, but he kept his hatred of the press intact:

"Peter Arnett, the Madman of Baghdad, has been taking direct B-52 carpet-bombing hits the past month from Congressmen, "media watchdog" groups, and assorted froth-mouth loonies from rural Indiana over just exactly how much "propaganda" he spewed out for Saddam Hussein. Senator Alan Simpson of Wyoming even said that Arnett was acting as an Iraqi 'sympathizer.'"


http://www.johnjemerson.com/zizka.idiots.htm
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:50 PM
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16. Dang! Simpson was in Washington during the Reagan administration,
wasn't he?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:54 PM
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17. I have a story about Senator Simpson
from back when he was still in office. I was working for the railroad at the time and when we tore up the UP yards in Denver so the city could put Coors Field in, several tractor trailor loads of those RR ties ended up, gratis, on Sen. Simpson's Wyoming ranch. Just the labor costs alone had to be several thousand dollars.

Pretty blatently illegal - but, hey - the office has it's privilages, I suppose.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:03 PM
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19. Man...who'd he know at the railroad? Or in Denver?
And I thought the power company guy by here with the fence made out of telephone poles was a crook!
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:06 AM
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36. The Union Pacific RR has a lot of power
in Wyoming (where the division headquarters are, and Colorado is in the Wyoming division), and in Nebraska (where the company headquarters are). It was always easier to circumvent state and federal law in those places than it was in Colorado - I'm sure with a little help from friendly lawmakers. One hand washes the other, after all - and what's a few thousand dollars in railroad ties compared to ignoring EPA regulations at a derailment site? It's a lot cheaper to just bulldoze that toxic waste under the ground than it is to dispose of it properly. I'm sure the word came down from the top - Mr. Simpson needed some fence ties for his new spread - and Denver was the closest place they were available.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:00 PM
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18. "If at first you don't secede, try, try again...
...and give my regards to President Charlie Daniels...oh I forgot...this is supposed to be our time of heeeeallling."
:D
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:03 PM
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20. Huh. Simpson's always been an uber-nasty pr*ck, but
...he was more a libertarian than a bible-whomper, and I believe he's genuinely in support of gay rights. (IIRC, one of his kids is gay.) Maybe he's way conflicted. Or maybe he's just a nasty prick.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:06 PM
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21. It looked as if he was stuck on both sides of Murka's new divide
and not liking doing the "splits".
When Maher introduced him, he said he used to be on his old show with him often, but Simpson started out mad tonight.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:13 PM
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24. All DU'ers need to see this
I thought to myself, yep this is where American is right now.
I hope someone can download it and place it online for all to see.

I'm telling you, were too damn tolerant.
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rockydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:16 AM
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28. will there be a transcript at least?
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DemMother Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:32 PM
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25. I think a lot of repubs like Simpson probably hate the idea that "moral"
issues won it for Bush. That's why we should push it and push it hard. It will expose the rift that they have in their own party. The CBS story may be right about it being a false issue (I don't think it is), but so what. We should bring it up whenever we can. I have already, and I make sure to use the word homophobia and to express my feeling that it was hatred and fear that won it for Bush. Maybe the fruitcake from Oklahoma and the brain dead guy from Kentucky represent the extremist right-wing, but a lot of the repubs must hate being associated with the fundies.

I haven't seen the show yet (I'm on the W. Coast), but I know Simpson is thin-skinned. I also think he would not like being viewed as being connected with religious extremism. But it's their baby now. It's the monster they created, and all the repubs should should be forced to face that ugly fact.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:44 PM
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26. I missed it
But Simpson was always more of a Goldwater-esque-just-stay-outta-my-bidness right winger than a Bible-thumpin-what-you-doin-in-there-Santorum-esque right winger.
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rockydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:19 AM
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29. good way of puttin' it - and a viable fault line in the repuke party
I think we must exploit it.
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phylla Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:12 AM
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27. Simpson was a complete ass tonight.
What IS it with these people?
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:27 AM
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31. I think he thought the audience was laughing at him.
Which dovetailed nicely with what he was trying to say: when we ridicule, we can't expect to persuade anybody or get people to like us. He's got a point. Now if he could just convince Rush Limbaugh of that, we'd have a better country.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:45 AM
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32. He's got a point?
Then you mention Rush? I'm gussing you are being sarcastic?

For many long years the right has made fun of Femanazis, Hollywood "types" liberals and gays. And NOW the sanctimonious assholes are pissed that we make fun of them?

Get real. Maybe it's time for us to act a bit like Rush and call a party of greed and hate just what it is.

It worked for Rush and the like. Shine a light on these worms and they scurry under a rock screaming "you are nothing but Bush haters."

The double standard from the party that made an enterprise out of hating clinton is mind boggling.

So....the show hasn't aired here yet. Will it make me mad at Maher? Is Bill blaming the gays or the gay bashers?
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:13 AM
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33. He does have a point.
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 01:14 AM by NRK
Rush deserves our scorn, but half the country doesn't. We need to be persuading these people of the rightness of our views, not putting them down. Rush's tactics haven't persuaded many of us to his side. He preaches to the choir, for the most part. Likewise, our ridicule of the other side doesn't win many converts, but it does make us feel better.

You're right about the "Bush hater" canard. A lot of them hate us too. Even so, pointing that out won't win them over. The goal is to get some of them to agree with us. Calling them greedy and hateful, while true, won't work.

That said, Simpson misunderstood the context of the discussion and was off base to criticize a comedian for making jokes.

The show did not go well, but D.L. Hughley makes it worth it. Bill is good, too, despite the ugliness.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:14 AM
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34. watching now, what an ass: Simpson
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 01:15 AM by crozet4clark
another wack job from Wyoming.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:17 AM
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37. That's our weapon: call them all whack jobs - all GOP-ers
Payback time for making liberal a dirty word. call every GOP-er you know, I don't care if he's atheist - "evangelist". be "nice" - "Congratulations - you evangelists won" - then watch the squirming.
It was fun when Sullivan talked about "pushing the wingnuts against the wall" 2 days after they hijacked an election (with rigging).
They are sore winners - let's make it very sore for them.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:52 AM
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39. Alan Simpson
acted like a total brownshirt. Maher asked him what Democrats needed to do or something to that effect and Simpson wnet nuts, bullying him, invoking Matthew Shepherd and telling Maher that if we kept making fun of "them" we'd keep losing elections.
The conservative guy on the panel (can't remember his name) kept it up throughout the show.
Is this what we're to expect now? they've taken their lead from the president and apparently it's the one question rule.
Also, Susan Sarandon was on and he asked her what the main reason was for us losing and she said VOTER FRAUD. He said "Oh, come on..." and she told him no, you'd better look at all the other stations because they are starting to report widespread voter fraud. She wouldn't let up on him either and mentioned Black Box Voting. Someone need to get the Black Box Voting info into Maher's hands, pronto.
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