Mike Malloy has never been more right.

[brainshrub]

Listen to him now.

I'm sorry if this is the wrong forum. But I think it fits into "help & support."

[Andy_Stephenson]

1. Yeah Mike

"PAPER BALLOTS"

[high density]

2. For those not listening already...

He's saying forget about the 2006 election...

[demodonkey]

4. PAPER BALLOTS or FORGET 2006...

and beyond.

[regnaD kciN]

48. The horrible thing is...

...that there's no way we're going to be able to get rid of BBV within the next year, no matter what we try. Those who benefited from them hold all the power in that regard.

So I guess we're screwed.

:scared:

[Atman]

6. Could you expand, please?

Forget about 2006? I still haven't forgotten about 2004, jesus! WTF is he talking about...many of us are not listening to him right now.

[liberalmuse]

8. Mike basically told callers...

that anyone who needs a 'group hug' or who gets through the screeners and starts in with, 'In two years we'll do better' is going to get cut off. He says that is not realistic, becaue things are much more dire than that.

He wants us to FIGHT. I agree with him. He's also slamming the voting machines, 'Do you think the people who get into this business are doing it for democracy???'

[spatlese]

10. Nothing is going to change unless...

we get rid of electronic voting because of the companies themselves and the ppl involved in the companies.

[diamondsoul]

12. He's talking about the fact

that we have about 1 year to get the f*cking useless and corrupt electronic voting machines the hell out of every single polling place in the country or we have ZERO hope of ever saving this Democratic Republic. It will be a brief shining moment in history that survivors may look back at fondly.

And as usual he's ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

[DIKB]

3. He's referring to

the House, basically give up on it for 40-50 years.

[Cat Atomic]

5. I was telling a friend exactly this just a few hours ago.

He was talking about how "in 2 years we'll do better". Huh? Not unless we pull a Boston Tea Party on all the electronic voting machines.

[Zorra]

11. Do you know where they store the machines when they are not in use? nt

[Cat Atomic]

14. I haven't got a clue.

But I'd very much like to know.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

51. In my dream we smashed all the voting machines....

I know someone who worked for one of the voting machine companies and believe me Mike Malloy knows what he's talking about. They are stealing us blind and unless we do something NOW we might as well kiss our democracy goodbye.

[Eric J in MN]

68. Does your acquaintance know of a specific time-and-place

the machines were rigged?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

77. 11-2-04

America.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

86. Yep

Gore election

[eablair3]

Malloy slamming all those who say "let's move on and get over it"

Way to go Mike Malloy!!

[Union Thug]

29. I'm not getting over anything. I'm becoming more aggressive

[cal04]

7. He's so right

As long as there is NO proof they can keep stealing
Were there paper ballots in Ohio?

[demodonkey]

9. No Paper Ballots in KEY PARTS of OH

just enough to steal the state (130,000 votes more for *?) and then OH put * over the top for his 270 electoral votes.

[happynewyear]

16. good point!

:hi: and welcome to the DU and thank you for sharing this piece of info. re: Ohio - no paper ballots WERE there !!!!

Ohio was stolen also.

:dem:

[cal04]

21. thanks for the info, even more that this needs to be

a key issue before the next elections

[Maiden England]

37. Yeah have you ever seen the map of fl precincts and diebold machines?

ALL in the heavily dem precincts - its diabolical.

[Radio-Active]

13. still possible to fix the results with paper ballots

*as long as there's no hand recount.. remember this!

[demodonkey]

23. But w/PAPER at least you CAN do a Recount

[SoCalDemGrrl]

59. Yeah but results have to be within .005% to trigger a recount

and the Repub Sec. of States can skew them just enough to be out of the margin of error.. so unless we rid the country of the vote-bots we're in deep shit!!!

[eleny]

15. This morning I got up, made coffee, booted up the computer

And made another contribution to bbv.org.

Hubby and I voted on paper ballots. Fill in the ovals with a dark blue or black pen, fold it up and drop it off. Who knows if it got counted. But it's paper and countable and the only way to go.

[NightTrain]

17. I was hoping to hear one of Malloy's pissed-off rants tonight.

And he didn't let me down. Thanks, Mike! :yourock:

[AG78]

18. I'll follow

him to the ends of the Earth.

Anyone who knows about the connection between the voting machines and the Christian Reconstruction movement is worth fighting with.

[feminazi]

19. he's saying exactly what i wanted to hear someone on AAR say today

*

[Ladyhawk]

73. Amen. I will NOT get over it.

And I am pissed at Kerry. Had he not conceded, I would have followed him to the ends of the earth. Millions would have gone to back him up had he contested the machines.

WE MUST GET RID OF THE MACHINES!!!!!!!!!

[brainshrub]

94. I would have followed Kerry anywhere.

I won't now. I don't follow flip-flopping quitters.

[Ladyhawk]

100. I feel the same way and people here are pissed at me.

He quit on us. We were there for him and he let us down.

[glitch]

92. and last night. nt

[dennis4868]

20. WHAT SPECIFIC PROOF DOES....

,Malloy have that the election was stolen?

[spatlese]

24. go to www.gregpalast.com n/t

[OutsourceBush]

26. Do your own work, he told you all the facts

Yahoo.com is a good tool and it's free.

[Bluebear]

38. delete

[classof56]

22. And this Christian Reconstruction stuff is SCARY!

I am shaking with anger. What an ugly screwed-up world we're leaving our children and grandchildren. May God forgive us!

Tired Old Cynic

[3113]

25. Christian Reconstruction Movement

The ones behind writing the software for the four machine companies. The software is proprietary.

Software can be manipulated. Just as gampling casinos can set their percentage of payout on electronic slots, so can any such voting machine. Such as every hundredth vote registers for Bush regardless of how the vote was cast. Very clean, immune to challenge.

[OutsourceBush]

28. There are multiple ways that they cansteal the votes

with these machines. For instance..

1. You push botton for one guy but it registers for another.
2. You push for the Democrat but the review screen says that you pushed for the repuke. If you don't think to fix it before you push vote you just voted against your guy.
3. Database change. You can simply change the vote totals in the database at the 'momma' computer.
4. Every 10 for you and give me 1.
5. etc
6. etc
7. etc

[DELUSIONAL]

61. the code can be written so that no trace is left

In other words the code is written so that the vote is changed and then the code erases itself without leaving a trace.

[Union Thug]

27. Nothing is going to change unless we

economically shut down this country by spending the next 2-4 years buying nothing outside our basic needs. We need to take to the streets in civil disobedience, we need to resist and raise a defiant fist to any bullshit draft these pigs try to shove down our throats. I think we need to organize at the grass roots level, finally admit that voting aint changing shit, and we adopt old labor tactics for forcing change.

[diamondsoul]

34. Won't matter.

Not as long as those machines contain the secrets of our votes, end of story. Listen to Mike, seriously. No protest, no economic slowdown, no GOTV efforts, no nothing will be fixed until those machines are obliterated from our voting system. Period.

[Union Thug]

39. right, and that's why I think voting is irrelevant. Only direct action..

and forced changed.

[WINEWOMAN7]

55. I agree Will

I agree with you, we need to hurt them in the pocket book. With 50% of country only buying necessities it will cause the economy to go apeshit. But we also need to find a way to get rid of the voting machines that don't have a paper trail.

Dian

[UpsideDownFlag]

30. playing "this is the end" by the doors??

damn.

[Born_A_Truman]

32. Absentee ballots are paper

In California you can take them to the polls and hand them in. Not sure that would keep them from cheating and not counting them, but then is there any way to prevent fraud?

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. I can't believe he's actually talking about Dominionism!

Mike is EXACTLY what I needed to hear tonight! He is SPOT ON and I feel exactly the same way! Go, Mike! Tell the TRUTH. I loved his remarks about the people who are actually discussing strategies on how to win the next election. There are no more legitimate elections with electronic voting machines still in use. Mike's got it right. It feels good to hear my own thoughts echoed through the radio.

[madmax]

42. Can we get a group of DU'ers together

to work out a campaign and maybe join forces with Move-On or some other group to work towards getting rid of these machines.

What happened to Bev Harris's research?

[in_cog_ni_to]

64. I do believe Bev is working behind the scenes to expose

a major flaw in the system. She's filed to get audit reports from certain precincts around the country. Audit reports from the bogus election yesterday. Time will tell if she's successful.

We can't have anymore elections with those machines. Until CONGRESS grows some balls to get rid of them, the repukes own the country. After yesterday, I don't see that happening. The repukes own Congress. The ONLY way to get rid of them is with an investigation of fraud and a proven connection to the regime to bring them down. It's the only way. Greg Palast has the truth. He's investigated it, but he will NEVER get on the U.S. airwaves with his info. The regime OWNS the airwaves. I don't see a way out of this. Moveon can't do anything. Not without a media who's willing to air the truth.

[madmax]

71. Looks like we're screwed.

Have to renew my passport.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

85. Greg Palast on Randi Rhodes today

said NPR refused to allow him on today when he said he wanted to talk about voting machine irregularities. Wow when you can't even get on NPR there's a problem. Hello????

[in_cog_ni_to]

95. Are you kidding me? NPR? How sad is that?

It will only be a matter of time until Air America covers the entire U.S. and THEN we will have an outlet and everyone in the country will be able to hear the truth. I hope it's before the next election and in time to implement a new voting system...PAPER and PEN.

[maveric]

33. He is on FIRE!

[Bluebear]

35. "AHAHAHA We won! We won! The queers can't get married! Jesus won!"

[madmax]

36. This is why we lost

We need to get rid of all these machines. I don't have all the details but, Rush Holt D-NJ is sponsoring a bill to require paper trail.

[diamondsoul]

40. That's not even enough.

Mike was saying to have another look at HAVA and how little protection the so-called "paper-trail" really is. A paper trail doesn't mean much if the votes are tampered with at the central counting computer and the records of them destroyed. Any effort at a real challenge would just wind up dragging out for years.

The bottom line is we need hard copy ballots in perpetuity.

[madmax]

44. How about Opitcal Scan type machines?

Sorry, I'm not a techie.

[proud patriot]

56. optical scan has the lowest error rate

This is the way we should go .

newer than 50s voting machines
but tried and true been around
since the 70s I believe . We used them
in school for taking tests .

[T Bone]

99. optical scan does have a paper trail

i.e. -the ballots that were scanned. But, in some of those systems the card is removed at each precicnct and taken to a central counting place. Matching Ballots could be substituted along with a new card on the trip to the central counting location. Some of those systems do have a little printout of the totals at the precicnct that could be matched again to the central point tally though. I am sure that was done often with old-fashioned paper ballots moved from a precicnct to a central counting location. Pull a switch in transit.

[ConsAreLiars]

63. The paper record is a good thing, but only if actually used

to check on the accuracy of the counting software and procedures. In many states, doing this simple audit is actually illegal. Look at the lead article here: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ and download or buy the book on the left side for more information.

[Randi_Listener]

43. Rob Wexler (D-FL) did the same thing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. Yup. They stole it again.

In broad daylight while our eyes were wide open! We will NEVER have a paper trail on the voting machines. If we had a paper trail the repukes couldn't steal elections. It will never happen. The machines have to go and I don't see that happening any time soon. As Mike says, the electronic voting machine companies are supporters of the regime and connected to the BFEE. :(

He's going off on Kerry right now! GO, MIKE!

[SoCalDemGrrl]

65. So Uncle Mike How do we get rid of the machines???

Listening to Mike right now and he's ranting about the machines, but Help MIKE PLEASE tell us HOW DO WE GET RID OF THESE VOTE BOTS?????????

MIKEEEEEE... We're ready tell us how.................

[SoCalDemGrrl]

66. Mike Malloy- You're right but We need a plan-- NOW!!!!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. The Plan: GET RID OF THE ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES!

It's the ONLY way we will EVER have another semi-legitimate election again.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

78. HOW???

These are fairly entrenched multinational companies whose "products" have been used in elections in other coUntries and now are deemed "SAFE" to be used in the good 'Ol USofA. SO SOMEBODY, please.. A PLAN OF ACTION... GREAT IDEA (GETTING RID OF vOTE-BOTS) BUT how???????

[madmax]

89. Yes...what SoCal DemGrrl - asked.

HOW?

[in_cog_ni_to]

96. Beats the hell out of me.

Maybe someone like Greg Palast can lead the way? I would devote every waking moment to get rid of those machines, but I'm a nobody. Just a wife and mom in Illinois. We need a BIG name. We need someone with clout to lead the way.

[ConsAreLiars]

41. Download this show from

http://www.whiterosesociety.org/ after it is archived and share it with your friends. The linkage between Ahmanson and the fanatics and the creation of proprietary (secret) vote tabulation machinery is described here: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm and more infor is at: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[mtnsnake]

46. His rant at Kerry was AWESOME! hahahahaha! n/t

[DELUSIONAL]

52. It was a thing of beauty

Kerry spoke and Malloy raged at him!

Wonderful!

[DianeK]

47. THEY DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[eablair3]

49. WAY TO GO MALLOY --- slamming Kerry

Way to go Mike!

He's pissed and he's pissed at Kerry.

[madmax]

53. I can't hear radio ....

not closed captioned ;) Why is he slamming Kerry?

[high density]

60. Mike is not impressed at all with Kerry's

"let's unite" consession speech.

[Ladyhawk]

74. Me either. FUCK UNITY! nt

[SoCalDemGrrl]

90. Mike IS NOT slamming Kerry...

He said he respects Kerry for having the courage to stand up against the Bush Crime Family, he's only saying it's NAIVE for any of us, INCLUDING KERRY, to think you can win ANY election in the future with the VOTE-BOTS!! GET RID OF THE VOTING MACHINES.

[Bluebear]

50. Did you HAVE to have your Gore moment, Senator?

Couldn't you have grabbed your crotch and shouted THEY DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!

[madmax]

54. LOL!!

Yeah, that would have worked.

[spatlese]

58. "bring your heads out of your rectums...

and realize what happened", Mike Malloy

[mtnsnake]

57. Hopefully his Kerry rant will be highlighted on the AAR website tomorrow.

For anyone who missed it, he went ballistic, mocking Kerry for the way he rolled over today in his concession speech. Too damn funny!!

Thanks, Mike, I needed that!

[maveric]

62. "None of this typical pansy-ass Kum bay ah stuff"

"GET RID OF THE MACHINES!"

[Ladyhawk]

67. Amen. It's the fucking machines. nt

I worked off my ass for this election. So many did. The fucking machines destroyed it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

69. I'm listening now

He is on fire!

[madmax]

70. This one is for Mike

:kick:

[Ladyhawk]

75. http://www.investigatethesec.com/

http://www.investigatethesec.com/

Go and sign.

[Radio-Active]

76. what the hell is that about?

it doesn't seem to have anything to do with voting machines..

[Gregorian]

79. It's a very slow site. I'm still trying to figure it out.

But it sounded like it was related to the electronic voting machines...

[spatlese]

80. There was a petition...

but it looked like it was against shorting stocks (or something)

:shrug:

[Ladyhawk]

82. If you figure it out, let me know...I couldn't figure it out either. :(

I should have figured it out first.

[Ladyhawk]

81. I thought that was the site given on the show. Maybe I got it wrong. :(

[spatlese]

83. You were right.

That was the URL the caller gave.. maybe he got it wrong
:shrug:

[happynewyear]

84. "naked shorting" ????

:wtf: I didn't see any petition ... :grr:

:kick:

[eleny]

87. Not bbv.com - it's .org!!!!!!!!!!

What is Mike's email addy? The bbv.com site is bogus.

[Ladyhawk]

88. And I'm not listening to the pundits on DU...

...and their number crunching and their "gut" feelings and their "declare a Kerry win" and "no negativity" and their "buck up."

Fuck all that!

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINES!!!

[glitch]

91. Loving Malloy. nt

[Mr X]

93. Naked Shorting / SEC petition

http://www.investigatethesec.com/petition.php

Caller said that these voting machine manufacturers are involved in "naked shorting," and suggested that petitioning the SEC to "do their job" is a "sure-fire way" to expose their scandals and get rid of the machines. He's looking to get 50,000 signatures by the weekend.

[in_cog_ni_to]

97. I signed. Thanks for the link. He needs a LOT of signatures!

Totals overview
Number of people that signed our petition:
5249

Number of companies that signed our petition
43

[Zinfandel]

98. Mike is absolutely on the money! I was just saying last night all we have

left is that slim margin that it takes to control everything, a 60 - 40 Senate...this is exactly what I was saying last night to my son...Now the republicans are only five fucking votes away...(in 2006?)

What I was also saying this morning was how these BBV machines just pumped up Bush's lead to exactly 51% ---so nice & cozy isn't it?

A fucking ATM machine spits out a fucking receipt...but not a electronic voting machine??????????????????

[n2mark]

101. Done

Agree Mike was great last night.