eugenics has a new philosophy...Genetic Freedom Philosophical

[patdem]

concept....nothing more than racism. I am surprised all that debated this 'concept' did not call out the racist elements of the concept.

Can we allow all the white men folk their continued rape of the planet? If not Why not? Well I say so far under their tutelige they have failed miserablly as the leaders of the world....time to let someone else rule. Women? maybe....Men of color...perhaps....but white men in general have proven that all they can do is promote death and destruction over time..even into modernity!

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. Well, they don't think of themselves as racists :)

In fact, some of their best friends...

[HereSince1628]

2. So how many brown people were killed under Victoria's reign?

I do remember something about a number of wars in Africa and Asia...

And as for British modernity, Thatcher administered a bit of killing too...

I have no doubt many folks became compost in the birch woods of western Russia during the reign of Catherine the Great.

And well, you know, there are some easy targets you might remember from Hollywood...like Joan of Arc who was into military solutions...and for that matter Cleopatra who had her own lust for military conquest,

And wasn't there something about about Amazon's that cut off their breast so it wouldn't interfere with their bowstrings?

Seems to me it isn't necessarily something about the y-chromosome.

[patdem]

3. I say individual women raised to be rulers are not the same as

women as a ruling party....as opposed to a single man who could be very kind and loving not being an example of the usual ruler.

I say women...when they take over majority power will help to tone down the warrior rhetoric....or at least I hope so...I pray that the women that come to power are not required to be as angry and as war like as their male counterparts..but instead be different!

[HereSince1628]

7. I don't think there is ANY convincing evidence that female officials

show less commitment to reliance on military force.

I seem to remember large percentages of women in the house and senate voting to authorize war...and women were pretty well represented in the news coverage of the pro-war rallies. The female senator most frequently named as a presidential possibility has no problems with invoking military force.

You might see the flaw in your thinking if you consider another (wrong and)sexist pronouncement...the sorry state of American literacy is women's fault...elementary education is overwhelmingly done by women who have done a dreadful job.

[Coffee Coyote]

13. never heard of Thatcher?

:eyes:

[Clete]

15. They are expected, if not required to, when in the minority.

If there is equal representation then you will find the war rhetoric toned down, not so much because of gender but because a whole group of disenfranchised people will have a voice and I think the majority of humanity of both genders are peaceful. If that disenfranchised 80% is included then there will be less saber rattling.

[Cato1]

4. I realize I may...

...be crossing a line here but, as I'm getting tired of the European male bashing, consider this.

Western civilization is primarily a creation of European men. They are responsible for a huge majority of the scientific and technological advances enabling the modern way of life. If you want to call all that "promoting death and destruction", fine. However, I doubt many would agree with the sentiment.

[Maple]

6. Really?

And women had nothing to do with it??

I suggest you read a little more history.

You are sadly lacking in it.

[Cato1]

8. I didn't say that

"And women had nothing to do with it??"

There are many examples of women and non-European men who have contributed to the advancement of science and technology, Marie Curie and Chandra Bose are two good examples. However, that doesn't change the fact a huge majority of the contributions have come from European-descended men.

[Maple]

9. Again I would suggest

you read history.

You are sadly lacking in a world view.

You wouldn't have a 'history' of any kind if others in the world hadn't done what they did first. And what they continue to do.

Don't assume you've hit a home run when you were born on third base.

I'm sorry but Europeans...much less men...are not the chosen people.

Everything was pretty much handed to you on a silver platter.

"the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."

Samuel P. Huntington

[Cato1]

19. A reply

"You wouldn't have a 'history' of any kind if others in the world hadn't done what they did first. And what they continue to do."

I don't understand how this relates to the fact the principal thinkers of _western_ i.e. European civilization have been European men. No one is denying that western civilization inherited concepts and ideas from other civilizations and peoples. However, the unique synthesis and civilizational development we know as the west was founded and developed primarily by Europeans. Do I need to list the principal philosophers and scientists of western civ to prove this simple fact? Is European civilization is not really European, perhaps Chinese civilization is not really Chinese, either?

"the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."

Samuel P. Huntington

But it was just the technological and scientific civilization of the west which enabled Europeans to achieve this superiority in applying organized violence!

[Karenina]

21. White supremacy, anyone?

:eyes:

[Cato1]

24. Where have I made a genetic argument? (n/t)

[Solomon]

12. This statement is so palpably false that

its scary. I can hardly contain myself but its late at night, and I'm tired. Maybe I can save this and address statements like this in a separate thread.

I'm refering to Cato's statement about white men inventing civilization and doing all the achieving.

Here we see an example of the fact that to truly learn you will have to unlearn virtually everything that you have been taught.

[Cato1]

17. Palbably false?

How can anyone deny that western civilization is primarily a creation of European men? Perhaps Chinese civilization is also not really Chinese?

I have never claimed that Europeans "invented civilization". They were the principal founders of European i.e western civilization.

[AP]

14. Actually, a pretty good argument can be made that Moghuls in India,

the Chinese, and Arabs made some incredibly artistic, scientific and literary leaps forward..

[Cato1]

20. True

However, how does that relate to what I stated about _western_ civilization?

[Clete]

16. Hah!

Western civilization learned the male dominant civilization from Egypt and Mesopotamia. Increasing evidence is pointing to female dominant societies in Stone Age Europe before being conquered by Bronze Age patriarchal societies.

[Cato1]

22. And your point is? (n/t)

[treepig]

5. isn't proposing that 'men of color' be given a chance

equally sexist and racist as saying 'white men' screwed everything up?

[Caution]

10. now hold on a second here

While there have been a whole lot of nasty white men, your premise is that white men as a group are no good. Now that I most certainly take issue with. I havent never raped the panet, nor have I ever promoted death and destruction over time. If I were to substitute the word Jewish, Chinese, Japanese, African or anything other than the words "white men" into your diatribe, people would be leaping all over this for what it is, one of the most racist hate filled invectives I have seen on DU since I've been visiting this site.

I suggest you open up your eyes and realize that the vast majority of evils that have been perpetrated have been done by a VERY small group of people...probably less than a 1000 individuals are responsible for the atrocious deaths of hundreds of millions. Just because a lot of those 1000 people were white males, does not mean that the 1 billion or so while males existing on this planet are evil people.

[this_side_up]

11. Agreed. What do

people think is happening in Africa?

That is black on black racism, murder, extortion,
theft of everything, and the continuation of slavery.

The ME is no different with how they treat each other.

Skin color and/or gender is not the root cause.

[Karenina]

18. Don't take it personally.

YOU'RE one of the "good" ones!!! ;-) :evilgrin: ;-)

[HFishbine]

23. Some Did

"I am surprised all that debated this 'concept' did not call out the racist elements of the concept."

Maybe not all did, but some certainly did. Frankly, I thought it was transparently racist.

[kayell]

25. I did for one, and there were a number of others

There were also a number of people who tried to engage the person who originated those threads on the same level he appeared to be writing at and refute his ideas.

I do not have the patience to deal with someone who uses pseudo-scientific language to cover their hatred and bigotry. Perhaps this is because in my daily working life, my job is to explain scientific concepts (horticulture, entomology, plant pathology) in simple terms that anyone can understand. I believe that most ideas can be expressed in simple language. Exessive wordiness is a way that some people use to intimidate others into agreeing with them, since the author appears SO intelligent. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, blind them with bullshit" is their motto.

(I do sincerely appreciate the efforts of the people who devoted so much time to refuting each of kengineers "scientific" arguments, since it is easy for many people to get sucked in by that style of persuasion.)

Incidentally, there is at least one website devoted to the subject that kengineer was ranting about. http://www.geneticsreligion.com/geneticfreedom/GF.htm
I don't see any ads so you wouldn't be supporting the author by looking, but I warn you not to eat first. More racism, eugenics and anti-miscegenation bull all wrapped up in a pretty package. Might even be from the same author - similar style.

And surprise! on the About the Webmaster page it says

"The webmaster is of Celtic/Nordic male Genetics. (Genetic Honesty)"
etc.