I think this is the end of Karl Rove

[vinnievin777]

The leak of Plame's name to Novak last July came at a time when
Plame's husband was criticizing the Bush administration for using
faulty intelligence to bolster its case to go to war with the Iraqi
regime of Saddam Hussein. Wilson had led an eight-day, CIA-sponsored
mission to Niger to investigate allegations that Iraq had attempted
to purchase uranium to build an atomic weapon. Wilson reported back
to the CIA that the allegations were contrived and that documents
purportedly revealing the scheme were crude forgeries.

Today he testified before a grand jury and scuttlebutt is that it was he and I.Lewis Libby (Dick Cheney's chief of staff) who leaked the name of Valerie Plame. Show us the testimony!

Vinnie
http://www.vinnievin.com

[Ediacara]

1. Where is this scuttlebutt coming from?

[plcdude]

2. If only

it were that easy. I hope you're right but that man is a mighty survivor.

[rwenos]

3. If True, It's a Federal Felony

So how will Karl look in prison orange?

[juliagoolia]

4. Whats wrong with telling the world he did it anyway

I mean.. the bulge ended up on mainstream media too.

[Richardo]

5. 2007: Karl Rove (center) welcomes visitors to "Scared Straight" program

[nefarious]

6. I hope the phone records to Novak corroborate this

It would be so wonderful to see traitors Karl and Scooter getting frog marched out of the White House. If only they could time it to happen one week before the election.

Karma sure is a bitch, huh Mr. Propaganda Minister?

[California Griz]

7. CNN

reported Rove spent 2 1/2 hours testifing before the grand jury today.
It was a real quick statement with no followup if you blinked you missed it.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. Why isn't the corporate owned press covering this 24/7

or do they only cover girls who wear blue dresses?

[PA Democrat]

29. Doncha know that a fake "outing" of Mary Cheney is more important?

I noticed the same thing on CNN. A 5 second mention in a 2 hour period of Rove's testimony and about 25 minutes of the fake outrage over Mary Cheney.

Sickening how grossly irresponsible the media has become.

[Lefty48197]

8. Libby's name has been attached to this for quite awhile

How interesting a development is it to learn that Rove was in on it too?

[BiggJawn]

9. "Scooter" Libby? PNAC"s Scooter Libby?

That'd be sweet..One PNAC'er in the pokey, how many to go?

[pelagius]

11. My prediction: Bush Pardons the Whole Neocon Cabal...

...right before he leaves office this coming January.

[nefarious]

13. Didn't know individuals could be pardoned before they're convicted

If the convictions occur after asterisk leaves office, the perps go to prison.

[pelagius]

14. Gerald Ford did it. n/t

[Oak2004]

15. Yes, but it was questioned at the time by legal experts

But no one wanted to drag Nixon to court anyway, so it was never challenged.

From what I've heard (I'm no lawyer) it probably isn't something that would stand up in court.

[pelagius]

18. Actually, many people wanted to see Nixon in court...

...if not actually in jail. There was wide outrage at the pardon.

It's just some wild-ass speculation on my part that Bush would pardon his cronies, I'll admit. But it fits into the character of this Administration.

[Oak2004]

21. Yes a lot of the public, but...

not the people that mattered in the Ford Administration, nor was there enough sentiment to push it among Congress.

That you or I or other persons whose title did not read "attorney general" wanted him in jail was, unfortunately, irrelevant.

[pelagius]

22. Following that logic, then...

...if nobody in a Kerry administration wants to push the issue, then a Bush-issued pardon to the neocon cabal would stand, also, regardless of its legal merits.

[Oak2004]

23. Unfortunately, yes

In order to prosecute you need to have a prosecutor

[Jose Diablo]

25. Ah, but I don't think Kerry wants to allow anybody in this treasonous

cabal to get away.

Way I see it, Kerry is deeply pissed-off at many many with-in this administration. From Kerry's days in Vietnam witnessing first hand through the Iran Contra manipulation ( and cover-up by Bush I) right-up to today, these people have screwed America for a long time.

I seriously believe there is very 'bad blood' between Kerry and this whole bunch within the administration.

Kerry will get these mothers, big time.

[Cat Atomic]

30. I hope you're right. If we've learned anything from

Watergate and Iran/Contra, it's that, if you let these guys skate, they'll just come back and do it again. Look how many of Bush's current gang were involved with Nixon, AND Iran/Contra. It's a very corrupt little faction.

[meow2u3]

19. Pardon before conviction?

I didn't know the president could pardon his partners in crime before they have even been indicted, much less convicted!

[DemonFighterLives]

12. So is it down to libby and Rove as the final two

I'm sure some low level secretary inadvertantly saw some things and spread the news. Whitewash in progress. See Nixon's secretary Rosemary Woods who erased portions of tape by stretching like a giraffe.

[Booster]

16. Ha. That's what the old boys club gets for getting rid of

secretaries. Now things are done electronically and there's a trail everywhere. hehehe

[FlemingsGhost]

17. I disagree.

Unless they send him to prison, which is unlikely, Rove will continue on. Even then, there's no guarantee we've seen the last of him. Along with a minute attention span, the American people have a very short memories.

[Shopaholic]

20. From your mouth to God's ears. . .

may this take him down for good!

[Sven77]

24. he'll run back to Germany

he's a dual citizen, im sure the german's would give him amnesty

[DemBones DemBones]

26. Is he a dual citizen? Is there a link to prove this?

That would be nice to have. . . ;-)

[shraby]

27. I'd like to see 2 things happen

that Kerry is elected and installed in office before any indictments are handed down in the Plame case.

If it happens in that order, there will be no one to pardon the bastards..they'll have to do the time for the crime. So I'll be patient concerning the Plame case.

[H2O Man]

28. People interested in joining

a campaign to bring public attention to the investigation of this criminal conspiracy should read the newest Plame Thread ("Steel & Glass") and help by writing LTTE. Although there will be no indictments and convictions at this point, this is still an issue that the Bush administration is very vulnerable on. Be assured that they are very upset that the Kerry campaign and DNC are making an issue out of it. Let's strike while the iron is hot.