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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 07:59 AM
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Do you trust touchscreen voting?
Do you trust touchscreen voting?

By AJC staff | Wednesday, October 6, 2004, 10:50 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Do you trust Georgia’s touchscreen voting machines to accurately record your vote?

Add your comments at the AJC

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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:01 AM
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1. As much as I trust Bush
ZIP, ZERO, NADDA!!!

No paper trail means vote theft.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:10 AM
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2. I would trust it if there was a paper trail
Let's not kid ourselves; touch screen voting is the future; it can be made to be more reliable than the hole punch method and so on. And it will be easier to use for those who might find voting intimidating.

The problem is you need a paper trail of some kind so that you know what you voted for and who you voted for.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:12 AM
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3. Do elephants fly?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:15 AM
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4. no that's why I voted absentee :)
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prayin4rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:46 AM
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5. I don't understand how they can set it up without a paper trail
That really makes me crazy. There has to be a paper trail. How can there not be paper trail??!!! AAAAWWWWW!!!!
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:57 AM
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6. no
How can anyone, knowing there is no reliable and accurate way for recount. Thank God I will be voting on the 70 year old lever type.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:45 AM
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11. how can you know
whether the lever machone is counting it right? it has no paper trail either?

(to be honest I think it'd be easier to rig software to "fix" a vote on a touch screen than it would be to rig a lever machine)
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:04 AM
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12. well for one
at least we have history on our side. For the last 70years this area has used the old green lever machines and our local government has been functioning to an exceptable level. Nothing is perfect and set in stone but I sure have more faith in a proven machine then a new and fraudulent electronic system.


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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:07 AM
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13. what if
Ok, that's fair. What if your county did what mine is doing, test the machines in a test election with both parties observing?
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:15 AM
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14. I would never trust E- voting
the way it's set up now. In most cases there is no means of recount, period end of sentence. You have to take the word of someone that actually has the means to change any totals in a matter of minutes to suit their own agenda. Until Congress and the Senate treat this with the seriousness it deserves and words are put into action how can anyone have faith in a system like this? This administration had 4 years to fix this but of course they did nothing so they could keep this as their ace in the hole for this upcoming presidential election.


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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:06 AM
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7. last time I voted it was on a DIEBOLD TOUCH SCREEN
in TEXAS. Oh yeah, I was FILLED with faith. :o
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:40 AM
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8. Hell No
I went with a group of people to the Registrar of Voters yesterday for a Logistics and Accuracy Test for calculating the absentee votes. Unfortunately I missed the week before covering the main voting, but understood that we were stonewalled on all questions and concerns.

It was absolutely amazing. We were not allowed in the same room as the machines, but through a window, watched some lady's back as she was putting the cards into the machine. No cameras were allowed, no recording devices, nothing. If they're not hiding something, they all need serious mental help. But hey, I'm not stupid. They are hiding a lot or they would have been much more forthcoming without so much hostility.

Anyway, keep in mind if you're absentee voting, any pen marks outside the designated bubble area can void out your entire vote. They feel comfortable that warning the voter about this somewhere in their set of instructions is sufficient. They assured me pen marks get made on your absentee vote after it arrives at the RofV would never happen. Oh yeah, I totally trust them!

Someone came and said he would have members from his committee to view the opening of the absentee ballots and the processing. He was met with shock, saying they didn't have the facilities to do that. He assured them they had enough time to work it out. Hee hee.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:43 AM
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9. The GEMS counting program is where the problem is.
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:33 AM
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16. Permit me to modify your statement
The GEMS counting program is where the problem is one of the biggest problems is.
Others include
-the wrong type or color of writing utensil used to fill in the bubble on optical scan ballots.
-Poor ballot layout that causes confusion (butterfly style)
-Touchscreens bringing up the wrong ballot
Just to name a few.

Point being, GEMS (or the various other tabulators) is just ONE flawed part of the system, there are LOTS of others.
HG
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:44 AM
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10. kinda
I an an election official (i.e. a poll worker) in Virginia. The old machines and the lever machines didn't have a paper trail either. And I know that they really test our machines in Arlington and Fairfax counties to make sure that what votes are cast are what are counted. So I do trust that my vote will be counted.

that said, that doesn't mean I trust the companies that make them, nor do I trust that every district that uses these machines tests them as well as my county does.
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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:20 AM
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15. Nope, and I think this is a set up to contest the Election
No matter who wins or loses. I feel it does need to be contested and mandates need to be put in place ensuring we have the ability to recount manually if needed. Our democracy depends on it.
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