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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:17 PM
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1.7 million new jobs? Bush just said that many new jobs had been created
during his administration. I thought jobs were lost. The employment figures for the past three years don't lie. I don't unerstand him saying this. He should know it would be very easy to check out, and he will look like a fool.

Does somebody know something I don't?
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:21 PM
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1. Well that many new jobs
have been created but he destroyed more and the replacment jobs don't pay as well. It's just like him to not tell the whole truth.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:25 PM
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2. I think there for awhile the jobs created in Iraq were counted.
Also, there is some interesting manipulations with the self-employed and how you can't count them, so you make a guess and add them anyway.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:26 PM
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3. Sure there are new "jobs"

I have a friend with dual masters degrees working in the automotive dept. at Wal-Mart. Has been unable to find any work in his field for almost 2 years, lost his home, wife and everything else, but by golly he's employed. :grr:
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:27 PM
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4. Yes, But 65% Of These Jobs Are Created By A Computer Model
No one knows if the jobs actually exist or not.

Look it up for your self. Do a search on the Birth/Death model run by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:28 PM
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5. And we all thought Nixon was a tricky bastard
This is just an example of the way in which Bush failed story problems in school. Failed then, failed the last four years and will fail another four if he is appointed. I'll never believe the guy is elected.
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:07 PM
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6. The way i construe it....
1.7 million jobs very well may have been created, but that does not take into acount the 3 million or so lost. More were lost than were created leaving him as the first president since Hoover to oversee a overall job loss.

Kinda like if your company took in 1.7 million in sale, and did not deduct expenses or salaries that totaled 3 million, and just reported the 1.7 million in sales hoping people listening will assume it's all profit.
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Mindful Monk Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:51 PM
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13. This is a big part of it
We need to harp on this point, that the NET job picture is dismal indeed at the juncture. Sure, there are some new jobs, but how many perfectly good OLD jobs were lost? At the end of the day, this administration has negative job growth, and unemployment is up.

Also, there is the issue of the quality of the jobs, whether or not they include health insurance (more Americans are without health insurance than four years ago, this says a lot) or other benefits.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:06 PM
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15. lol thats exactly how the government is run... n/t
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:08 PM
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7. he should check out his abacas for viruses.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:00 PM
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14. Using an abacus is an art
I think you meant to say, "he should check out his Point and Speak for viruses".
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:20 PM
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8. 1.7 million in the past 12 months - still a pathetic number
you need to create - at a minimum - 150,000 jobs per month to keep pace with the growing population. That means, just to net to ZERO on the job creation front, the Bush economy should have created 1.8 million jobs.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:24 PM
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9. And i just heard on AAR, President Clinton created over 22.6 million new
jobs throughout his Presidency, BushCo is STILL minus over 1 million (jobs lost). Even if his 1.7 million jobs created statement is indeed correct.

Which is really a backward feat in itself, since over 150,000 new people enter the job market looking for work each month.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:37 PM
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10. Jobs are plentiful out there...I know someone who has three!
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:46 PM
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11. Well, Walmart HAS been expanding like crazy.
:P
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:47 PM
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12. It's like going to a casino...
.... and losing $10 on a game, and then losing $20 on another, and then winning $10 on the third.

And coming home and telling the wife "I won $10" :)
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