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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:22 AM
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After he wins, Kerry should shun Tony Blair.
Kerry should make it a point to meet only with Labour Party officials who stood up to Bush* and Blair.

This would send a clear signal to foreign leaders in the future not to back any right wing American zealot president without first truthfully investigating the issue.

With luck, the British voters will give Blair an unambiguous boot next year. Phony Tony needs to join the Chimperor in retirement.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:23 AM
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1. Can't be done, sadly.
Tony Blair is Prime Minister of the UK and thus representative of the nation. He cannot be ignored.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:23 AM
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2. I don't think so
We won't get cooperation in ending the war in Iraq by shunning our closest ally.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:24 AM
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3. Better idea: alliance with Blair to show that he agrees with whomever
is in charge of this country. Blair won't give Kerry the cold treatment.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:24 AM
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4. No, why punish US and UK for Blair's blind spot, let Blair follow Kerry
for a better result for both countries, and Iraq, and the world. Time for the Bushite insanity of spite and pettiness to end.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:26 AM
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5. No. Blair made a huge mistake, but he's better than....
...the alternative. Nobody wants the Torys back in power.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:26 AM
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6. Blair pulls out from Iraq and leaves the U.S. to fill-in ....
sorry, shunning isn't the way to go
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:26 AM
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7. No, keeping up relations with Britain is necessary
I have a feeling that Blair will simply become like a big lap dog and kiss Kerry's ass. If
Blair gets elected, that is.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:28 AM
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8. blair will shift with the wind, he's a politician
he's toast in england anyway.

we probably have blair to thank for reigning in perle, wolfowicz, cheney & rumsfeld's PNAC dr. strangelove-ian tendencies. they'd have nuked fallujah without blair to apply the brakes.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:28 AM
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9. Trust me, poodle is already on VERY thin ice in the UK. If and when...
gee-dumbya and $hrubco are sent packing, it will be the signal for the Labour party to unsheathe the long knives and deal with poodle. Once poodle has been relegated to the "has-been" pile, he can then follow in john major's footsteps and take his place on the board of directors of one of the most vile corporate entities on the planet, carlyle.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:33 AM
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10. That goes against working with allies philosophy that Kerry has.
Esp. if Blair should win re-election.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:40 AM
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11. Unfortunately, everyone seems to miss the point.
I didn't say shun Britain, I didn't say shun Labour. Meet with Labour leaders OTHER than Blair. That will encourage the removal of Blair. Kerry dealing directly with Blair will only strengthen Blair going into the British elections. He can help Labour make the necessary move to replace Blair before the elections.

As for Blair being a moderating factor on US policy--PULLEEZE! If it weren't for his lapdog ass-kissing, Iraq may never have happened. It was only the alliance of such a strong ally that allowed Bush* the charade of an alliance. Blair is every bit the war criminal that Bush* is.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:45 AM
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12. No. Like I said, Blair is the Prime Minister of a democracy.
You can't shun him and talk to his deputy.

Sadly, we're stuck with Blair, unless there's a massive groundswell for Kennedy and the Lib Dems. I wouldn't hold my breath (though stranger things have happened).
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:03 PM
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13. Kerry isn't a petulant little asshole like Shrub.
He's not going to rename English muffins 'freedom muffins' because of some diplomatic disagreement.

I think Kerry is smart enough to know you can't build a concensus by bashing people who you may need down the road. Snubbing Blair would be a bad way to start a Presidency.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:00 PM
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14. Amen n/t
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:35 PM
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18. Well put
:thumbsup:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:07 PM
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15. To hell with Blair. He should shun Lieberman, Biden, and the wardems.
Hopefully, the British people will take care of Blair and his faux Labourites.

We have our own crew of poodles to deal with.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:21 PM
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16. Foget blair... sink John Howard in 10 days
The litmus test of sinking this coalition of the assholes, is sinking
the first asshole coming up for re-election... that might be howard.
Then bush gotta go down. Blair will fall on his own sword if his
next election turnout shows his reign to be over.

I would advise Mr. Kerry to meet with and have a long warm chat with
Mr. Blair and his whole entourage. In that chat, i would make him
pay in blood for his support of bush, by holding it as a diplomatic
poker chip, to be spent later.

Kerry will need to show the world, instantly, that his shift towards
a multilateral approach has instant traction. Who better than
britain. As for avoiding him and talking to labour... not a
possibility... its like trying to talk to the repukes without
bush.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:33 PM
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17. hell no! that's what bush* did..because he hated anything "Clintonian" he
destroyed America...and 2 wrongs will NEVER make a right
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:28 PM
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19. No, Kerry's better than Bush
Kerry shouldn't shun Blair like Bush shunned Schroeder and Chirac. Instead, Kerry should immediately upon his entering the Presidency go on a full European tour, BEGINNING WITH BRITAIN.

Kerry will make it known publicly that he is extremely unhappy with Blair's kowtowing to Bush, but he will show him, and the British people the respect of actually meeting with him. He will then go on to Germany, France, Spain, etc., and praise their leaders and request their help in Iraq.

This will doubly condemn Blair: not only was Blair wrong to support the war in Iraq, but he also supported someone who didn't even have the decency to criticize France and Germany to their faces.

Chirac and Schroeder, on the other hand, will not only receive praise for their sound judgment, but they will be receiving that praise from someone who had the decency to visit Blair and make his disappointment known in person.

I don't want to sound too cheesy, but remember that it's the Democrats who build bridges and the Republicans who burn them.
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