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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:17 PM
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Shocking: Sec. Tres. Snow blames business woes on "untrained workers".....
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow Wednesday lamented a
lack of skilled workers that is adversely affecting business in the U.S.
Appearing with local business leaders in Harrisburg, Pa., Snow said,
"everywhere we go across this country... business leaders say we could do more
business if we had trained workers," adding, "There's no simple answer to this
one."
Snow called the size of the federal budget deficit "unwelcome," adding the
Bush administration hopes to cut it in half over the next five years.
The Treasury secretary also said that high energy prices are "having an effect
on the economy. The ship would be sailing at a faster pace if we didn't have
these headwinds."

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anyone who has dow service can paste the link
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:18 PM
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1. I think Snow left off the second part of what they were telling him.
These "business leaders" actually said:

"We could do more business if we had trained workers here in the U.S. that would work for 25 cents a day with no benefits. Can you fix that for us?"
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:19 PM
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2. so shrub is telling Pennsylvania citizens .....it's not outsourcing
this guy snow should put on a pair of leotards when he speaks
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:22 PM
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7. This guy gets paid...
by our taxes to say this crap. He should be made to wear a dunce cap and then fired.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:21 PM
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3. "bend over" is what Snow is telling workers..... he has no answers
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:21 PM
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4. b/s
We have plenty of trained workers here.

That's why I laugh (bitterly) when I see Bush pushing job training.

Lack of job training ISN'T the problem.

IT'S THE LACK OF JOBS!

morons.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:22 PM
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5. And the court should show mercy
Because even though I killed my parents, your honor, you should be lenient, seeing as how I'm an orphan and all.

What a pantload Snow is!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:22 PM
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6. Trained for what?
Edited on Wed Sep-22-04 03:22 PM by htuttle
Throughout this administration obfuscation of the job situation, they've talking about American workers needing more 'training' over and over again (giving me deja vu from the 1980's, I tell ya).

But they keep neglecting to mention an important detail:
NEED MORE TRAINING TO DO WHAT?

It's not tool and die -- those jobs are long gone. It's not Information Technology -- those jobs are leaving right now. What's left?

Are we all supposed to march down to Hamburger University? How many Assistant Managers does McDonald's actually need?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:23 PM
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8. Didn't I hear a few days ago something about * gutting the funding
for the jobs retraining programs? Anyone else hear that as well.

What a racket...create your own excuse.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:29 PM
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9. the govenrnment are the one hiring --- "no skills required" I guess
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:31 PM
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10. Well, John Kerry has a job training plan. Does President Bush?
From johnkerry.com:

Expand and Improve Job Training to Promote Productivity and Opportunity.

John Kerry has a strong record of support for expanding workforce investment programs including Job Corps, Youth Build and Youth Opportunity Grants. Bush has consistently recommended slashing funding to programs such as Youth Opportunity grants. As president, Kerry will support these programs and work to expand opportunities for successful joint ventures between private sector companies and federal training programs for both low-income youth and adults. Kerry will also provide support to YouthBuild, a program he championed that gives young adults the chance to contribute to their community through housing construction while working toward a diploma, learning skills training, and finding adult mentors in a supportive community.



Kerry's entire comprehensive jobs program (of which this is only one part) would cost about $100 billion over TEN YEARS.

By comparison, the war in Iraq has already cost Americans $144 billion dollars in just 18 months.

Which do YOU think is a better use of our tax dollars?

-MR
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:32 PM
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11. Rethuglicans always blame working people for everything
Back in the 70s as the oil shocks caused double digit inflation in every sector of the economy, they blamed unions for causing the inflation by demanding high pay! The old classic cause of inflation, "too many dollars chasing too few goods" didn't take into account manipulation of prices by a monopoly! It was just too convenient to blame US working people for being greedy enough to want living wages.

Well, now that we've all been beggared by 35 years of stupid economic policies, they're starting to blame us for being uneducated. Never mind that the US has the best educated generatl workforce and the most productive workforce in the world. I guess we need to be retrained on how to live in tarpaper shacks and live on air so that we can compete with workers in Bangladesh. Hey, they aint as educated, but they've been trained to work cheap!

Snow is an example of that "let 'em eat cake" mentality that needs to be purged from government at all levels, starting from the top down.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:33 PM
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12. Ads for Ohio and PA
Bush people applaud outsourcing (remember somebody saying how it's good for business) and blaming the American workers for not having jobs.

Those ads have to be run in the Mid West.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:46 PM
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13. Why Those Undisciplined Workers!
They should learn to use a drill press BEFORE getting a job at the factory.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:53 PM
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15. the sadness is ....the fricking MEDIA will nod their heads
Lou Dobbs is the only media rep. going nuts on outsourcing...he's singing in the the wind.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:52 PM
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14. Damn those untrained poor people.. THEY are the ones causing
all the financial troubles in the Whole world..

In a perfect Republican world, they would all scurry around in neatly pressed uniforms...never uttering a word..They would gladly accept the hand-me-downs of the Masters, and the pittance of a salary (IF they were GOOD)..and at the end of each day they would quietly "vanish" to wherever it is that they go, when they are not serving the master..

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:54 PM
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17. let's not forget - NO raise in min wage by shrub -- congress 8 raises
since min wage last raised in 1995
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 04:00 PM
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21. I found a paycheck stub from 5 years ago..(my husband's)
His take home is almost exactly $100 a week more now...even though he has received increases..

The rest has been eaten up in increased healthcare, and state & local taxes..
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 04:03 PM
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23. there's no inflation though....... Fox will tell you that
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:53 PM
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16. The reason those "business leaders" are complaining ...
... is because not a single one of them are themselves able to do the job. Their gross incompetence at both their own jobs and the jobs from which they're made wealthy is the most appalling "lack of training" in this nation. The least competent of all is squatting in the White House!
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:57 PM
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18. The solution for "untrained workers" -
TRAIN THEM!

More money for grants or low- and no-interest individual loans for college and vocational education. More money for SBA loans. Fully equip and fund public schools, colleges and universities.

LESS MONEY FOR HALLIBURTON!
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:58 PM
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19. Yup! I hear "Burger College" at McDonalds is looking for new students...
eom
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:59 PM
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20. We don't want to train you, we don't want to pay you, . . .
...we'll send your jobs overseas, but please don't stop purchasing our products! Corporate Piranha.

Corporate Personhood has ruined this country & the world.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 04:02 PM
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22. If you don't have a job, you won't get trained;if you don't get trained,
you won't get a job.

If you cut taxes, your tax revenues will increase;if you get rid of all the taxes, you will beswimming in tax revenues.

Absence of evidence (for WMD's) is not evidence of absence.

There are known knowns.
There are known unknowns.
And, there are unknown unknowns.


All great sayings from The Bush mouthpieces.Is it any wonder our economy, Iraq,everything is taking a nosedive?
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 04:56 PM
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24. "Shocking: Voters blame country's woes on unrepresentative politicians.
UNITED STATES (DU News Service)--American Voters nationwide Wednesday lamented a lack of skilled politicians that is adversely affecting their daily lives in the U.S. Political activists organizing voters on the Internet said, "everywhere we go across this country... voters say we could do more good for our people if we had politicians who were willing to actually represent us," adding "There's a simple answer to this one."
Voters called politicians who've increased outsourcing of jobs and drastically increased the size of the federal budget deficit "unwelcome," adding that they hope to cut the Bush* administration loose in the next five weeks. The voters also said that unemployment and high energy prices are "having an effect on the economy. The ship would be sailing at a faster pace if we just cut loose these anchors."

<Snip> :kick: :evilgrin:
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 05:00 PM
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25. Unemployed? Underemployed? Underpaid? UNDECIDED????
Just remember, the Bush Administartion blames it on you! You're at fault for not being smart enough, trained enough, and doggone it.. good-looking enough. It's all your fault that you're unemployed, just ask Bush and his advisors.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 06:49 PM
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26. PM kick
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 07:09 PM
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27. Another Snow Job!
It's "unskilled American workers" fault if the company they have worked for, for years, depended upon for a decent living and been loyal to for a lifetime in many cases, decides to get greedy and move their operation overseas, where labor costs are a fraction of what they are here in the US?

That same company still charges the same prices for it's product they once produced here in the US, even though it costs that company a fraction of the former cost, to produce the imported product! Is it the worker's fault that his employer is so damned greedy and unpatriotic? Is it the workers fault that the company contributes to politicians who support greed, over loyalty to employees and their families? Is it the American worker's fault that America is no longer an industrial super power because of corporate greed! Is it the American worker's fault that our national security is being trumped by corporate greed?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 09:24 PM
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28. Those "headwinds" he feels are actually the

tailwinds of the job exporters' ships.

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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 09:27 PM
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29. yea. The Chinese are much better educated than Americans
What a load of horseshit.

These guys are trying to make diamonds from turds.
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