A Reminder: We haven't lost yet :)

[Ladyhawk]

To those of you who are frightened:

During the past few weeks, I've felt your fear very keenly. My entire family are Repubs and will be voting for the shrub. A friend I thought was "kind" has turned out to be a religious crazy. Everyone I ever knew has gone to the dark side, while I sit here feeling like someone ran me over with a steamroller. I just can't believe what has happened.

But guess what? It isn't over yet.

We could still win this election and failing that, we can still give George W. Bush* holy hell if he "wins."

Let's keep on working a little while longer.

[UdoKier]

1. The "yet" is unnecessary.

I know you're trying to be positive here, but the devil is in the details! ;)

[Ladyhawk]

4. Ah, but we can't be absolutely positive one way or the other.

That is the height of arrogance.

Mike Malloy (in your signature) acknowledges this.

[UdoKier]

5. Actually...

Saying "We haven't lost" doesn't rule out the possibility of a loss. It just says that we have not.

Adding "yet" moves the connotation into the area of "We've pretty much lost - just a matter of time".

At least that's the way I read it.

But I'm not arrogant. I know it's a hell of a fight ahead.

[Ladyhawk]

7. Yeah, I could have left off "yet."

And yes, I'm probably a little on the skeptical side right now, so I feel for people who are hurting, yet still hoping for a celebration on November 3.

I've been trying to balance my own emotions and it's hard. I've never been very good at it. Being mature throughout this ordeal hasn't been easy, either, and I'm sure I've failed on a number of occasions.

One thing that is hard on me: No matter who wins, in some way, I will lose. It might actually be easier on me emotionally if * won, at least for awhile. My family will get what they want and won't bitch about the government. If Kerry wins, the right wing spin goes into overkill and I'll be hearing how Kerry forces children to have sex with silverback gorillas.

Regardless, I've already lost so much. My relationship with certain people will never be the same. I've already done a lot of mourning over my dysfunctional family and it appears my mourning is not yet finished.

OK, enough of my personal problems. It's just that it has really been hard. Remind me to personally thank Bush* for uniting my friends, my family and me. :(

[UdoKier]

17. Man, that's harsh...

I have a couple of repug relatives, but they know better than to stick up for Dubya around me - they know he's indefensible.

So is your family's division REALLY because of Dumbya, or did they despise Clinton just as much?

If they did, I'd be more apt to blame Limbaugh, Hannity & Co...

[whirlygigspin]

2. when in doubt, just remember

This is the ENRON administration that stole billions from Californians
caused havoc and blackouts and laughed about it.

Halliburton pigs, did it again in Iraq with billions more missing,
and they won't stop until America is broke and on it's ass, unless YOU do something about it.

[dietdpfan]

3. I agree.

I volunteer at my local Democratic headquarters. I talk to my repuke friends daily. I make phone calls twice a week.

Victory is ours but we have to help Kerry make that happen!!

Don't give up folks!

[Ladyhawk]

8. Yes, sir! I totally agree.

I've set aside the entire month of October for the Democratic Party. I will help at headquarters, drive people to meetings, drive people to the polls and call Dems who haven't voted to make sure they get to the polls.

Right now, my apartment is a mess! I just moved. I need to get things settled so my mind can stay with the Kerry campaign. I have OCD, so if things aren't "settled" to my satisfaction, I won't be able to help.

I told myself I had to the end of the month to work on the apartment. I have to work around diabetes that isn't in full control, herniated discs and some other crazy shit that makes it hard to function. But my plans are to give the Democratic Party the entire month of October for whatever they need me for.

I am going to FIGHT!

I'm disabled and can't always be available, but by Darwin himself, I will give what I can.

[autorank]

6. No we haven't and we're starting to kick Bush ass. WE WILL WIN!

OK, it's the 2nd inning and the game's a tie. Kerry rocked today at NYU and on Letterman (said he'd 'fire Halliburton'). Edwards will do Oprah, they'll both smack around * and Cheney in the debates and there will be 3 weeks left after that. We will win because we have to and we will win because we're bringing NEW PEOPLE INTO THE EQUATION.

[Ladyhawk]

9. Yes. Lots of people are PISSED!

I've never seen so many people so angry at a politician in my life, including myself.

I am one of the NEW PEOPLE.

Confession time: I (reluctantly) voted for * in 2000. I went from voting shrub to being completely shocked as he dismantled the Constitution and invaded Iraq for no good reason. For the past ten years or so, I haven't been happy with either party, but voted Republican out of habit. I needed a wake-up call and got one. Lots of people got a wake-up call. Some have refused to hear it. That's what makes me angry. Since I learned to think critically, I've struggled hard to follow information to the truth no matter where it might lead. Some people just. won't. do. this. :mad: They want to stay in their comfortable little boxes while thinking people put their emotional lives in jeopardy to arrive at truth. I admit it makes me angry...and very sad.

[autorank]

22. Welcome aboard NEW PEOPLE!!!!!!!

Especially from California (I'm a native son). Don't worry about the confession that you voted for *. He was well packaged. Of course, I would never have made that mistake since I'm a Yello Dog Democrat...just pull the lever (not to discriminationg but I' ve never lived in an area where this was a problem0. Share the love...er anger.

[George_S]

10. They are scared...

... and don't know if they will win or not.

Kerry is the comeback kid. You just watch.

Kerry = Rocky.

[lostnfound]

11. You are right -- electoralvote.com looks bad at first, but check this out.

Current 327 - 211 = 116
BUT the 'barely Bush' votes are very close: Florida and Colorado both are counting in the Bush column right now, but they are actually virtually tied at 45/46 (CO) and 47/48 (FL). That's 36 electoral votes -- a swing of 72 -- and other states like PA are just 2% apart.

It's still practically tied -- not where I'd like to be, but who knows what's around the corner?

[TahitiNut]

21. 'electoral-vote.com' had a 99-vote swing today, in Kerry's favor

Some of the pollsters (e.g. Survey USA) are very clearly GOP-biased.

[George_S]

12. Everything matters!

All the online polls we can find.

The 5 stars "Unfit for Command" has.

All the blogs filled with Bush and freeper lies.

It all matters. That's why they do it.

Sitting in here crying and saying it's time to run away doesn't help.

[Ladyhawk]

13. I understand, but I'm trying to be moderate about this.

"Sitting in here crying and saying it's time to run away doesn't help."

Neither does emotionally "spanking" those who are afraid. Usually that tactic doesn't work very well, at least on the sensitive types who are likely to get overwhelmed. Telling them they are cry-babies won't help them. They're already in emotional overarousal. They need compassion and gentle persuasion rather than strong-arm tactics.

I'm speaking as someone who is very sensitive. In any group, approximately 20% can be considered highly sensitive. "Tough love" and emotional "spankings" don't help the sensitive. Gentle persuasion does.

[George_S]

14. Please...

... go vote on the CNN poll.

http://www.cnn.com

It will make you feel better to do something, anything, rather than nothing.

No kidding.

[saracat]

15. G DAMN IT!

They have the CBS credibility not being rehabilitated leading at 63% to 37%.What more do they want Rather to do? Self destruct? He went out on a limb for the truth and the people are just piling on. No wonder our press isn't free anymore.We don't appreciate it when we have it.These bastards deserve Fox news, but the rest of us don't!

[MadProphetMargin]

16. Or go HERE:

http://electoral-vote.com/

And watch Bush's lead melt away, like a platoon of our boys in the hot Iraqi sun.

[Unperson 309]

20. It's Not Time to Run Away...

That window is past, or passing rapidly.

It's time to assimilate, flee or die.

309

[Raster]

18. Layoff with the "yet" stuff. We aren't going to loose. BELIEVE!!!

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-09-20

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My friends, it is time for a reality check.

1. The polls are wrong. They are all over the map like diarrhea. On Friday, one poll had Bush 13 points ahead -- and another poll had them both tied. There are three reasons why the polls are b.s.: One, they are polling "likely voters." "Likely" means those who have consistently voted in the past few elections. So that cuts out young people who are voting for the first time and a ton of non-voters who are definitely going to vote in THIS election. Second, they are not polling people who use their cell phone as their primary phone. Again, that means they are not talking to young people. Finally, most of the polls are weighted with too many Republicans, as pollster John Zogby revealed last week. You are being snookered if you believe any of these polls.

2. Kerry has brought in the Clinton A-team. Instead of shunning Clinton (as Gore did), Kerry has decided to not make that mistake.

3. Traveling around the country, as I've been doing, I gotta tell ya, there is a hell of a lot of unrest out there. Much of it is not being captured by the mainstream press. But it is simmering and it is real. Do not let those well-produced Bush rallies of angry white people scare you. Turn off the TV! (Except Jon Stewart and Bill Moyers -- everything else is just a sugar-coated lie).

4. Conventional wisdom says if the election is decided on "9/11" (the fear of terrorism), Bush wins. But if it is decided on the job we are doing in Iraq, then Bush loses. And folks, that "job," you might have noticed, has descended into the third level of a hell we used to call Vietnam. There is no way out. It is a full-blown mess of a quagmire and the body bags will sadly only mount higher. Regardless of what Kerry meant by his original war vote, he ain't the one who sent those kids to their deaths -- and Mr. and Mrs. Middle America knows it. Had Bush bothered to show up when he was in the "service" he might have somewhat of a clue as to how to recognize an immoral war that cannot be "won." All he has delivered to Iraq was that plasticized turkey last Thanksgiving. It is this failure of monumental proportions that is going to cook his goose come this November.

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http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-09-20

[Raster]

19. Do Not Despair. Things are completely different than they appear!

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-09-20

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So, do not despair. All is not over. Far from it. The Bush people need you to believe that it is over. They need you to slump back into your easy chair and feel that sick pain in your gut as you contemplate another four years of George W. Bush. They need you to wish we had a candidate who didn't windsurf and who was just as smart as we were when WE knew Bush was lying about WMD and Saddam planning 9/11. It's like Karl Rove is hypnotizing you -- "Kerry voted for the war...Kerry voted for the war...Kerrrrrryyy vooootted fooooor theeee warrrrrrrrrr..."

Yes...Yes...Yesssss....He did! HE DID! No sense in fighting now...what I need is sleep...sleeep...sleeeeeeppppp...

WAKE UP! The majority are with us! More than half of all Americans are pro-choice, want stronger environmental laws, are appalled that assault weapons are back on the street -- and 54% now believe the war is wrong. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM OF ANY OF THIS -- YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE THEM A RAY OF HOPE AND A RIDE TO THE POLLS. CAN YOU DO THAT? WILL YOU DO THAT?

Just for me, please? Buck up. The country is almost back in our hands. Not another negative word until Nov. 3rd! Then you can bitch all you want about how you wish Kerry was still that long-haired kid who once had the courage to stand up for something. Personally, I think that kid is still inside him. Instead of the wailing and gnashing of your teeth, why not hold out a hand to him and help the inner soldier/protester come out and defeat the forces of evil we now so desperately face. Do we have any other choice?

[Kanary]

23. Can anyone explain --civil tones, not blasting -- why we are all

supposed to feel the same thing at the same time?

I often see posts here blasting freepers for their enforced conformity, yet I often see much the same thing here, and nobody seems to get the irony. People are different, see things differently, and there is so much complexity about the current situation that each of us can feel differently from one minute to the next.

Why can't there be room for that?

Anyone?

:shrug:

Kanary