Has anybody brought up the 2 different "th" instances on the document

[karlrschneider]

The top line has it in regular size then down in Para. 2 it's superscripted...that seems -real- odd to me...
:eyes:

[ET Awful]

1. Not at all odd. . . I just started a thread referring to this very thing.

When I used to create a lot of typewritten documents, I would create a single form then xerox it to fill in as needed. I did this for homemade letterhead, legal pleading paper (which has the lines numbered), etc.

You create one, run it through the copier and use the copies to type the documents when needed.

That would explain both how identical the header is on various documents AND the difference in the "th".

Just because the address is at the top of each doesn't mean it was typed each time. I always had 25 or 30 copies of homemade letterhead around to use as needed.

[ima_sinnic]

2. in addition, typist might have just not felt like switching type balls

every time there was a "th"

[karlrschneider]

8. That sounds very plausible to me. I was just looking at my DD214, it has

some really sloppy typing on it.

[flyingfysh]

3. lazy typist?

It could be a case of a careless typist who didn't treat each "th" the same.

The uneven spacing has already been beaten to death. IBM typewriters could handle it easily.

Also, notice the phrase after "SUBJECT:" the bases of the letters are uneven, and word processors don't do that. Also, in the next-to-last line, notice that the "a" in "additional" has a higher base than the "d" next to it. Also, notice that a "d" on hte last text line is faded in the lower right. This is either bad photocopying, or simply normal typewriter operation.

It looks like a typewriter to me.

[bling bling]

4. ACTUALLY - this is more proof of authenticity, imo

If this document had been typed in Word, the top "th" would also be superscripted -- Word does it automatically. The fact that one is superscripted and the other is not is just proof to me that it was done manually on a typewriter.

[mccormack98]

5. Why would anyone with the name "111th" want to use superscripts?

If your fighter group had a name that ended in the "th," do you think that it might invest in an IBM typewriter with a superscript capability?

Just wondering.

Bill

[yardwork]

21. The superscript capability exists on the most primitive manual typewriter.

All you do is twist the platen up a half-space. The superscript "th" in a smaller type size was available on many of the different balls of type that Selectrics and other typewriters of its kind used.

[DougieZero]

6. they are forgeries guys... sorry

CBS is going to get fucked. I hope we can be candid on DU without getting deleted or banned, but a MS word version fits perfectley over the "vintage" documents. The spacing is perfect and the fark.com threads debunk Kos and pretty much any defense.

[karlrschneider]

7. How would it "fit perfectly" if the same thing occurs two different ways?

I don't understand.

[papau]

9. a MS word version fits perfectley over the "vintage" documents"? - NOPE

they do not.

But then these are photocopies and faxed and distorted - so if they did fit "perfectly" we would have a miracle!

Nothing is proven - and as all the "experts" today stated - nothing can be proven..

As Rather said as he smiled - get back to me when you have something to talk about - or words to the effect (definitive is the word I believe he used!)

:-)

[Junkdrawer]

20. .

[jimshoes]

10. Where do you suppose the programmers that

created word and word perfect got the parameters for spacing, line width , etc. I'm guessing they had the specs from typewriters of the day, picked one and matched them to their program. It's not a very big stretch of the imagination.

[yowzayowzayowza]

11. Candid about fark.com...

as a source... naw. Thx anyway.

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[Individualist]

13. The documents are authentic

Deal with it! The truth is out about the vile POS in the White House, and no matter how much his vermin supporters rant, scream or stand on their pointy little heads, the truth will stand. Hopefully more truths about the criminal will follow.

[radicalson]

17. These Docs R Fake

Check these out

http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html

http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf

Don't fall for Rove's tricks. Try to be smarter than him.

[Individualist]

23. Throw out all the strawmen you want

Post as many times as you want; it won't change the fact that the documents are authentic. The POS in the White House has been exposed.

[radicalson]

25. He's Been Exposed W/O These Docs

Why hang your hat on something you don't have to. There is an October surprise in store for Bush .... wait and see.

[ET Awful]

14. So let's see, a site like Fark that spends most of their time altering

documents and photos is going to tell us two documents match? Bullshit.

Sorry, but the version created in word does NOT match exactly. In fact, there are various aspects (such as the fact that the lowercase "i" in several words does not line up between the two) that prove they are different. As I've pointed out before, if it was different letters that failed to line up it wouldn't be as conclusive, but if at different places on the page, the same letter fails to line up repeatedly, as is the case with the lowercase "i," that is indicative of two different typefaces being looked at.

No one has explained yet why individual letters throughout the documents don't line up with the baseline of individual lines of text either. That happens with a typewriter, not with a computer.

[Iceburg]

15. Then I guess the WH forged page 3 of this PDF doc

http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/9-Miscellaneous.pdf

They too must have used MS Word to doctor awol's records 'cause it uses the same typeface and what a coincidence ... it has a superscripted "th" on line 2.

Now back to the real questions:

1. Did family connections get George W. Bush his coveted National Guard slot?

2. Did Lt. Bush refuse a direct order from his commanding officer to report to Ellington AFB no later than 14 May 1972 to conduct a physical?

3. Was Lt. Bush suspended for failure to perform up to National Guard standards?

4. Did Lt. Bush ever take the physical he was required to take?

5. Did Lt. Bush complete his commitment to National Guard?

[Red Fox]

18. Actually there was a difference noted

The th on that line 2 takes 3/4 of a normal letter, while the th in the memo takes about 1/4-1/2.

So not sure how valid that is.

[papau]

24. the questions our rw poster friends and the media and the GOP work so hard

to not answer!

:-)

[dansolo]

26. Have you actually printed the documents out?

If you create the document in Microsoft Word, it does not line up perfectly. If you tweak the fonts and spacing to make it line up vertically, it doesn't line up horizontally. Print out the PDF and the Word document and hold them up against a light. You will never get them to line up perfectly.

[RC]

16. IBM Selectric typewriter 1961

http://www.fact-index.com/i/ib/ibm_selectric_typewriter...

IBM Selectric typewriter
The IBM Selectric typewriter (occasionally known as the IBM Golfball typewriter) is the electric typewriter design that brought the typewriter into the electronic age.

Selectric I


Selectric II
Instead of typebars it had a pivoting typeball that could be changed to use different fonts in the same document.

The ability to change fonts, combined with the neat regular appearance of the typed page, was revolutionary and marked the beginning of desktop publishing. Later models with selective pitch and built-in correcting tape carried the trend even further. Any typist could produce a polished manuscript.

>snip<

The Selectric typewriter was first released in 1961 and is generally considered to be a design classic.

* * * * * **
Google "ibm selectric" It will put to rest once and for all that the technology did exist before bu$s's TANG AWOL

[yardwork]

19. This has been totally debunked in about a dozen threads here.

Each of your assumptions is wrong.

The font is a widely used and highly recognized type available on typewriters since the 1930s.

Superscripts were commonly available on typewriters in the late 1960s and earlier.

The uneven spacing of the letters on the horizontal baseline could only be created by a typewriter or a photo-shopped word processed document.

In other words, you are completely wrong on all counts.

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