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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:31 PM
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BBV: California to seek restitution for fraudulent claims by Diebold
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 02:01 PM by BevHarris
California Attorney General to Pursue Fraudulent Claims Case Against Diebold

The California Attorney General's office and Alameda County counsel have notified the California Trial Court that they will join the false claims act filed by Bev Harris and Jim March against Diebold Election Systems and Diebold Incorporated.

The suit seeks restitution of taxpayer money paid to Diebold on behalf of Alameda County and other California counties that opt to join the case. The suit alleges that Diebold made fraudulent claims when selling its voting system.

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The suit seeks restitution for the state of California, in an amount to be determined. Factors that will determine the amount of taxpayer restitution: Number of counties who join the case, and whether Diebold is required to pay triple damages.

Whistleblower bounty: Harris and March refused to seal the evidence in the case, because it is of critical importance to the public, and is time sensitive. By refusing to seal the evidence, a number of additional safeguards were implemented in California and other states. More are being sought.

Because Harris and March refused to seal the evidence, the State of California may ask to have them removed from the case, but taxpayer restitution will still be achieved. Almost all Qui Tam suits joined by the government do settle in favor of the taxpayer.

In the event that California does not seek to have Harris and March excluded, Harris will remit any settlement to the nonprofit Black Box Voting consumer group. Harris is an employee of the group, but is not on the board of directors and does not have control.

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A personal note: My husband and I are among those who tithe to our church. Once, in a whistleblower action pertaining to a financial fraud case, about a decade ago, I got a small windfall. I knew I should tithe -- but OUCH. My mind could come up with so many rationalizations for other uses. My husband taught me something I have followed ever since: When you know you should give away something, but it is hard to do, you announce it in advance.

On that occasion, when it appeared that a settlement might appear, I told the minister and committed to tithe. Then, when it happened, it was not hard to follow through.

I am using the same lessons here. Perhaps there will be a bounty. Perhaps not. But in the event there is, I have committed to turn it over to a nonprofit group to further efforts towards election reform. Having committed to do so, should a windfall arrive, I'm stuck now, aren't I? That's the way I want it.

The amount is not huge. My estimate is that it will be about one-third of 15% of $9m, after taxes. Certainly not "millions and millions" as some have alleged. But a nice amount to invest to provide ongoing income for Black Box Voting, whether I am employed by the group or not.

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How does this affect Diebold?

Note that on Diebold's July SEC statement, it mentioned a number of lawsuits, but never cited them by name and dismissed them as having no material risk for the company.

With one exception: The Qui Tam filed by Harris & March. That suit is in its own small paragraph, and here is why Diebold had to pull it out for special attention:

The suit can domino into taxpayer restitution nationwide, and if this amounts to treble damages, plus related costs, it could run up to close to a billion dollars.

Now that constitutes a material risk.

The GEMS feature, which we have researched further in recent days, can take out Diebold in over 30 states, and all (optical scan paper ballot and touch screen) have the right to seek restitution for false claims based on the fraudulent psuedo-security in GEMS.

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OK. I'm off to Florida tonight. All the best,

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On edit: A person has just notified me that another group(s?) may want to do a joint press conference to offer "support" and get national press saying doing Qui Tams is a good idea nationwide.

Well, not so fast. And I find this very interesting. You see, it is NOT a good thing, if such groups have been planning a federal Qui Tam or have several state actions going, but agreed to seal their research and their evidence. There is only one reason to seal the evidence: It maximizes your chance of collecting money for yourself. The down side is overwhelming -- all that information, all that original research, all that devastating evidence, lay unused and unavailable while we were holding elections.

For now, I declined the press conference "in favor of Qui Tam actions" with these other groups, because the press has difficulty understanding shades of gray. I have always maintained this consistent position: Qui Tam is very bad if you seal the evidence to maximize your chance of collecting a personal windfall. It is very good if you refuse to seal the evidence, because it helps get taxpayer money back.

The press might miss that nuance. Hmm. Interesting development.

Bev Harris
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:34 PM
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1. Will bush force Arnie to drop this frivolous lawsuit?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:52 PM
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7. Arnie can't force anyone to drop it
It is the Attorney General's decision. The A.G. is a democrat and is planning to run against Arnold.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 02:14 PM
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9. Sorry for the sarcasm - just with bush and arnie being so close...
and bush's talk of frivolous lawsuits, it seemed appropriate.

With California taking the lead, you have to wonder what will happen with the November elections. We've got less than two months to go and now a good number of states may be required to pull out the old systems and re-train their volunteers. It is likely that a number of problems could arise from this development.

And I'm not sure who would benefit from a delayed election.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 02:37 PM
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10. The election must not be delayed.
If all else fails:

Paper, pencil, day off to count the vote.

There are other solutions if we implement within the next few weeks.

Bev
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:26 AM
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29. Bev I have adjusted this a bit.
Pen paper and a day off to count the votes.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 12:32 PM
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35. Yes, pen and paper...
But I always laugh whenever I imagine crooked election officials using big pink rubber erasers to change individual votes.

It's so much easier to change electronic votes... a few simple keystrokes, and you are done. And there is no pesky evidence to sweep up off the floor.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:40 PM
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2. Big California kick!
I've been following your articles and your website, Bev. Yours is the voice I trust above all others to insure that this election is not another fraudulent theft. Thank you for your tireless work, you are a real American hero!

:kick:
:kick:
:kick:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:46 PM
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3. Thanks Bev
once again. :thumbsup:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:47 PM
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4. florida?
bring your rain hat (and hip waders!)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:25 PM
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12. I'm worried about Florida. Read the other thread,
from MadFloridian. I need to drive quite a ways Wednesday, hope that:
1) I can find gas -- anyone in Florida, is that still a problem?
2) The plane can land.

It sounds awful. However, am looking forward to my assignments there }(

Bev
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:50 PM
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5. Thanks again Bev and Andy!
Please stay safe. :)

:kick:
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #5
24. I wanna go to Disneyland!
:cry:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:51 PM
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6. You thought they were gonna toss the case! Yes?
What a pleasant surprise.

And I so agree about the advance promise. I do that about lottery tickets. Of course, I never win the lottery, but I'm ready with voracious greed protection just in case I do. (Advance notice to recipients may also be helpful in avoiding the Ned Devine effect: sudden joy followed by sudden, still-grinning death.)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Yes, all indications were that they were going to toss the case
We were very surprised at this turn of events.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #8
21. My San Diego sister said this AG
was on the BBV problem early. That he has spoken up so she wasn't surprised.

She's taken to her new life in California very well. Although her favorite weather is dank, cold and rainy. Which never happens in San Diego.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. She should come to Seattle we get
"dank, cold and rainy. " in spades.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:19 PM
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11. A 'good news' kick!
God knows we need it today.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:38 PM
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13. Cool, I'm from one of the other counties (Solano)
that spent close to 450,000 dollars for a crappy system that was used only once. Uh, are we one of the other counties in the suit? We want some satisfaction and compensation! Thank you Bev for your tireless work.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:35 PM
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20. Solano made a huge mistake
They settled out with Diebold -- instead of receiving triple damages, which they stood to achieve by joining the case, they paid Diebold over $400,000 to get out of their contract.

Solano has probably ruined its chances for recovery. But I'm not positive about this -- it depends what Diebold got them to sign.

Bev
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:55 PM
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26. I'm really sorry to hear this....
Our county is not known for being the sharpest tack in the box, yet I didn't know how poorly we blundered. I've been following this story in the local news, but apparently not well enough. Do I have any recourse as a private citizen? I'm mad! Please PM me with any suggestions or strategies on how to fix this mess. Thank you.
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:47 PM
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14. God bless the LAWYERS !!
And I'm not even religious
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #14
30. One in particular
Lowell Finley :yourock:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:14 PM
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15. A kick and a thank you.
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 06:24 PM
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16. Thank you, Bev Harris
I'm a proud Californian today. Thanks for all your hard work.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 06:28 PM
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17. Well that's good news...
Congrats Bev and Jim...
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JohnGideon Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 06:54 PM
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18. GEMS Version 1.18.23
Bev,
How many states and/or counties are using this software? We know it is on the King, Klickitat and Chelan Co., WA machines. We have a letter from Dean Logan that states that it is NOT certified by ITA. Is it on machines in other states?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:34 PM
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19. I haven't found any other states using it
Arizona is on 1.18.19
California is on 1.18.19
I'm pretty sure Georgia is on 1.18.19
I'll keep snooping around.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. According to Paul Miller of the....
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 09:16 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
Secretary of States Office....When asked about this at their sham of a public demonstration of...1.18.23 is 1.18.19 specifically modified for use in the state of Washington State's new primary. Despite the fact that a much earlier version of GEMS was used successfully in the Feb 2000 Presidential preference primary for a similar combined party ballot.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:20 PM
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25. Bev...congrats and wonderful work!
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 11:02 PM
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27. Bev, Andy, don't look now but, she's baaacckkk!
AAAAHHHHRRRRRGGGGG! :mad:

http://www.modbee.com/24hour/nation/story/1631004p-9334936c.html

Maryland's top elections official fights attempt to suspend her


By TOM STUCKEY, Associated Press
Last Updated: September 7, 2004, 04:33:00 PM PDT

ANNAPOLIS, Md. (AP) - A judge ordered Maryland's top elections official back to work Tuesday, temporarily overturning her suspension by the State Board of Elections until a hearing can take place.

Linda Lamone, criticized in recent months for advocating an entirely electronic voting system, has a hearing Friday on her suspension with pay - the first step toward firing her.

"Obviously, I'm happy to be back at work," Lamone said after walking from the courthouse to the nearby elections board office. "There's a lot to get done between now and the election."

Lamone has been criticized for the purchase of 16,000 Diebold AccuVote-TS voting machines, a model that experts have criticized, saying they leave no paper trail and are susceptible to tampering.

<More>
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:15 AM
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28. Like a bad penny?
:shrug:
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. What is with these people? They just won't stay dead!
Every time you think you've gotten rid of one of them.....POOF! They're BAAAACCKK! :wtf:

Anyone know if the judge is a 'winger? :shrug:

:kick:
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NoMoreMrNiceGuy Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:53 AM
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31. God we are in BBV debt....this is incredible news...THANK YOU!!! n/t
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:30 AM
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32. Time to "blitz" the other Diebold California counties
Insist the other California Diebold counties join in this lawsuit.

They spent taxpayer money to buy junk- now they have an opportunity to get the taxpayers money back.

People in the counties involved, it would be a good idea to start a campaign to recover monies. Write the election officials, county/city councils, whoever is responsible. Hit the newspapers and radio stations.

The counties have a chance to recover and then some.

At the same time, begin a campaign to create citizen election advisory committees in every county, to consult on eqipment purchases and how it is used. These can be created by ordinance or not. There must be language as to how often they meet and that they are invited to EVERY demo of voting equipment.

Such a committee will advise the county officials on purchases and procedures. It will not take over the day-to-day functions, etc. Things like what kind of system, i.e., one that produces a voter verified paper ballot; that the electronic poll book in almost all new voter registration systems is never used; (keep that paper sign in book) how auditing should proceed, etc.

Local officials won't like it but they need to be reminded that they don't own the voting systems- the people do.

The official in charge of elections may appoint some of the the members but definitely not a voting majority. Membership could include party representation, LWV, a representative from local citizen voting groups, etc.

Get PEOPLE back into the electoral process. Everything that has been done in the last 20 or 30 years has been excluding the average citizen from their own democratic process.

Get back in and get involved!

Go get'em California!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #32
33. Great post, RedEagle!! Do you have a list of the counties
that need to be "activated"? Can you post 'em on DU and at MoveOn?

O8) Prayers for your continued success and safety, BBV Patriots!! O8)

:yourock: You guys are THE BEST!!! :yourock:

Thanks for all you do!! Thanks for Who You Are!!!


:kick::kick::kick:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. California counties- Paranoid Pat, is this all of them?
This may not be complete or entirely accurat. I'll bet Paranoid Pat, information guru, has it all somewhere:


Counties using Diebold Touchscreens:
Alemeda, Plumas

Counties using Diebold Optiscan:
Fresno, Humboldt, Kern, Lassen, Marin, Placer, San Joaquin, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, Trinity, Tulare.


Keep in mind that the issue is with GEMS, which is used in both types of systems. So I think these could all be in play.

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. San Diego is Diebold as well
isn't it?

:shrug:
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:01 PM
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38. Looking forward to hearing from a certian Programmer with a Shiny Hat
I know a lot could still go wrong, but I think this has already gone beyond Shiny Hat Programmer's predictions.
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:27 PM
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39. Tri Valley Herald picks up the story
State joins lawsuit against Diebold

By Ian Hoffman, STAFF WRITER

California dropped its criminal investigation of Diebold Election Systems Inc. on Tuesday, instead joining Alameda County and two electronic-voting activists in suing the Texas-based touch-screen voting machine maker.
Diebold officials hailed the move by Attorney General Bill Lockyer, saying, "We are pleased with the attorney general's decision that there is no basis for a criminal prosecution."

State and local officials said Diebold was far from exonerated.

Lockyer and Alameda County, Diebold's first major West Coast client, added themselves to a False Claims Act case that, with a national election under way, could send tens of millions of dollars of voting-system sales revenue back to state and local coffers if Diebold were found liable.

More likely, the entry of California and one of its largest counties into the case increases pressure on Diebold to offer some combination of cash and guarantees that its voting systems will operate well in November.


much more...

http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10671~2387400,00.html

Story goes on to mention the non-profits' website. Major kudos to Bev & Andy out there fighting, and everyone else who has helped get it this far! :yourock: Only drawback it seems is that Diebold officials won't be seeing the inside of a prison cell for their handywork yet.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 07:16 PM
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40. As long as the vote counting is made safer...I don't care if
Diebold execs the inside of a prison cell. It would be nice....but...I am not holding my breath.


:hi: Agent Mike
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. What concerns me still....
If the Atty. General has dropped his criminal investigation, who's to say that some bought-off judge won't throw this out before the election? I want the pressure on full-force, so that Diebold is too scared to misrepresent the election!

What sayeth you, oh wise one? Don't you think it would be better to keep the Atty. General on their backs? Keep the investigation going all through the election?

:kick::kick::kick::kick:
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 06:34 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. Yes I do...however
I will take what we can get.

The action taken by the AG's office is just the first domino in a line of many.

Wise one? Me? :shrug: Sue I love you!

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #41
44. This deal bothers me....
From Bushfire's post:


California dropped its criminal investigation of Diebold Election
Diebold officials hailed the move by Attorney General Bill Lockyer, saying, "We are pleased with the attorney general's decision that there is no basis for a criminal prosecution."

State and local officials said Diebold was far from exonerated.

Lockyer and Alameda County, Diebold's first major West Coast client, added themselves to a False Claims Act case that, with a national election under way, could send tens of millions of dollars of voting-system sales revenue back to state and local coffers if Diebold were found liable.

More likely, the entry of California and one of its largest counties into the case increases pressure on Diebold to offer some combination of cash and guarantees that its voting systems will operate well in November.




Fraud isn't a criminal act? If Diebold can just do cash and "guarantees," then there is no teeth in this. Just mutual good PR for the AG.

No dice unless the AG really gets into the meat of the case, instead of glossing it over.
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 11:25 PM
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42. SF Chronicle picks up on story without crediting
the ones who deserve it. We all know who do though.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/09/08/DIEBOLD.TMP



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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 07:04 PM
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45. Kick
:kick:
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