Do you really trust Howard Stern?

[Dangerman]

Do you really trust the "King of all media" JUST he said became an anti-bush voice?

He still supported the Iraq invasion and he like some republicans. I don't know, I must choose my allies carefully.

[Raster]

1. trust him for what? with what? my money? He's Anti-bush. Great!

what is this trust bullshit?

[Dangerman]

4. You got a point, there.

[camby]

2. Glad he came away from the dark side, but he only did it

because he felt personally threatened. Basically, he's out for numero uno. Still, if he can pull some votes away from *, I'm all for it.

[Bombtrack]

9. That is Bull fucking shit. And exactly what the right-wing fans and non-

fans of Stern are saying. I've been a fan all along. He came back from vacation after reading Frankens book, and DECLARED that after anybody reads that book that there is NO WAY that he could ever support Bush's reelection and the next day(tuesday) he said that he was going to do everything he could to get Bush defeated by Kerry. THAT AFTERNOON Clearchannel dropped him and got the ball rolling for the serious threat of him being kicked off the air. He came out against Bush BEFORE it was apparent his job was threatened. And he was never "pro-Bush" either. He voted for Gore, and always maintained Gore won the election.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

24. Bombtrack is right. Stern came out publicly advocating that we vote

against Bush on his show FIRST, related to non censorship issues (the gay marriage brouhaha and stem cell research, among others). Clear Channel dropped their hammer a short time later (I thought it was a couple of days), just like they censored the Dixie Chicks off their playlists. The whole FCC looking into fining Stern happened a very short time after that, and it was a transparent attempt to give political cover to Clear Channel's clearly political retribution against Stern.

Also, since Clear Channel sacrificed a top AM rush hour show in six markets, they were probably trying to give political cover to getting Stern off the air entirely, to "compensate" Clear Channel for giving up a big earner to please their master.

Joke's on CC now as Stern is back in most of the markets CC booted him off of, and presumably kicking their lame asses in direct competition. Good for him.

[freetobegay]

3. You don't need to trust him to let hom say anti Bush things.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

5. Yes, I do.

I'm just bummed out that the show missed a great opportunity to discuss the Repub convention, Band-aids, Zell and all. I guess they wanted to get out of town and not deal with all the madness of a shut down Manhattan...

[PROGRESSIVE1]

6. Trust Him. Look at his record of supporting moderates.

He supported Whitman and Pataki for Governor. Twice for Clinton over hard right wing challengers, Gore over Bush, and now Kerry over Bush.

Also, Howard disavows religon too. He does not like the radical right wingers.

[lanparty]

15. Stern is a libertarian ...

He believes in personal freedoms. Whenever a personal freedom is at stake, he will be your ally.

When you're being Politically Correct and trying to sanction people for "hate speech", Stern will be against you.

[Teaser]

7. The Enemy of my Enemy

is my friend.

[Sailorman]

8. Easy when you say that

That is the idea behind Reagan selling arms to Iraq..

[sonicx]

10. I'm not sure i get you...

Stern has never been pro-bush. He voted for Gore, but said he would give * a chance before slamming him as president. After a while, * used up his chances and Stern's now speaking out against him.

And note that he doesn't want to be part of either party and that's why he's supported both dems and repubs (moderate ones ususally).

In general, He's liberal on social issues, conservative on crime. Also, whenever his conservative producer argues about high taxes, Stern says that taxes were fine under Clinton.

[Sailorman]

12. Yes

and his degradation of women, midgets, handicapped, and PETA are also on the agenda of the show.


Not to mention Fart, queef, and burping contests.


Howard looks out for Howard. Never forget that.


I heard a show one time where he threatened to kill animals if the PETA girls didn't take off articles of clothes...

[sonicx]

14. yes, his show is crude. your point? nt

[I_Hug_Trees]

25. Nothing wrong with cude

since it is free speech and we shouldnt'be limiting anything people say especially someone like Howard who talks against Bush. He's trying to sway the midget vote isn't he and he's for lesbians! LOL

Okok--bad joke on the lesbians and midgets. I'm sorry but a vote for Kerry is a vote right? LOL

*save a life-hug a tree*

[Sailorman]

27. My post was the point.

One minute everyone here is for equality of people and the next you welcome someone who makes money from the degradation of people...all sorts of people.....what is your point...I don't care who he votes for...a piece of shit is a piece of shit....





How about the show where the guy was farting to a song and shit himself....is that who you want to represent Mr. Kerry?


Don't be a pimp. Have some morals.

[I_Hug_Trees]

29. I have morals

But he has a large audience and that could help Kerry. So what if he farts all the time?

*save a life--hug a tree*

[sonicx]

31. he represents noone...

he's a guy that likes kerry, hates bush, and wants to tell people. that's all.

I've been a Stern fan, on and off, since the late 90's, but i've never stopped being a liberal. I didn't realize i couldn't be a liberal if i liked crudeness...

[I_Hug_Trees]

35. The only thing

That I hate about Stern is his hate for PETA. They need to raid his show for animals to save every once in a while. I can't believe he owns a dog but want people to kill animals to take off clothes.

*save a life--hug a tree*

[sonicx]

38. yeah, he leans to the left, but i guess he thinks they are extremist..nt

[lanparty]

17. I was 100% against Bush ...

... but after the election I told myself that we must give him the chance to govern and the chance to be a good president. That doesn't mean kissing ass, it means to make avenues for compromise and also compliment on the few occasions that he actually does something right.

[sonicx]

20. yes, that's exactly stern's approach. he wasn't a bush asskisser. nt

[InfoMinister]

11. Stern Is Cool

Howard Stern appeals to a base of people who don't like Bush's extremist Conservative values and are supporters of free speech. Several DJs have either lost their jobs or have had to seriously retool their acts because of how the Conservative agenda has been pushed onto radio. Let Stern speak his mind about all of this. It'll benefit Kerry.

[Sailorman]

13. Stern apeals to whatever helps Stern..

[walldude]

16. I'm pretty sure

after 9/11 Stern was supporting Bush and the Iraq war. But so were alot of other dupes. He saw the light (whether it was Frankens book or the Clear Channel thing matters not) and started to spread the truth. More power to him.

[lanparty]

21. I supported the Iraq war for a while ...

... I thought Saddam Hussein was hiding something. He acted like it. Than, I was lied to.

I didn't believe a single word that Bush or Cheney spoke. I believed Colin Powell because I THOUGHT he had integrity.

Please, give people the freedom to change their minds. Give them an avenue to withdraw to. You should COMPLIMENT someone whenever they admit to making a mistake. You should welcome and congratulate people who admit they were hoodwinked by the Bush administration.

I'm very much against the war now. And the anti-war crowd were 100% right from day one (I was NEVER anti-activist, I praised EVERY protest I saw).

Both Stern & myself were wrong about the Iraq war. As long as Stern admits this, you should forgive him and welcome him to the fold.

[annabanana]

23. More Importantly...........

Stern appeals to people who NEVER GIVE A THOUGHT to politics. Now some do (even if only to keep this..........gentleman, on the air)

[soothsayer]

18. He was extremely influential during Clinton's elections, too

But like many NY-ers, verrrrrry upset about 9-11 and very afraid.

[lanparty]

22. Stern is influential across the nation ...

...

And he has the ear of young male reactionaries who would lean toward supporting Bush because of his swaggering machismo image making.

[soothsayer]

36. yup! I was sorry when Clinton didn't do anything to get the FCC off of

Howard's back, after Howard really fought and fought for Clinton's reelection. One of the only handful of times I've been disappointed in the big dog.

[Cronus Protagonist]

19. He's sent me THOUSANDS of visitors from his web site

I'd say he's putting his actions where his mouth is. He has TONS of traffic, and I have only a few links among hundreds off his web site, and it sends me tons of traffic. Stern is serious about this. Deadly serious.

Lick Laura's Bush - Drop Bush Not Bombs! - FUCK BUSH
http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[Dangerman]

26. Well...

Some of his material in his show makes me sick...

But you gotta give him credit where credit is due.

He saw the light and stood up to the Bush SOBs, and we need every Bush-hater who saw the light we need to oust Mr. Bush and his criminal underlings.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

28. Why do you assume that Stern hates Bush just because he wants him out?

[Dangerman]

30. My guess...

Is that Bush's FCC commissioner (Colin Powell's relative) asked Clear Channel to boot him out.

That's just my guess.

Ain't freedom of speech wonderful thanks to the FCC (/sarcasm)

[sonicx]

32. Stern doesn't like Bush's takes on

stem cell research, abortion, gay marriage/adoption, media consolidation, and the environment.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

33. I guess what I'm pointing out is, with your upside down flag, your

phraseology like "we need every Bush hater we can get!" etc. it certainly raises the appearance of one not kindly disposed to the Democratic cause, posting on a Democratic forum, to go "show" the posts and threads on other forums not sympathetic to the Democratic cause, to discredit the "Democrats" who would be so disrespectful as to show the flag upside down and glory in their hatred of the glorious leader.

"Some people" might lean towards such a conclusion.

I'm just sayin', is all.

[Bluebear]

34. Isn't "hater" a little simplistic for this situation?

'Some people' might say it's not good rhetoric, or buy into the notion that Democrats only "hate" Bush. It's not a football game, we don't "hate" the other team per se.

[Dangerman]

37. You got a point there.

[sid dicious]

47. Stern is a misognistyic whack-job...used to be funny

but all he can do is degrade women...
I don't mind him bashing B*sh...but he was all for him not too long ago. If the chimpanzee said, "Boobs are great!!" and his wife flashed the cameras (ugh!)...Stern would be on the campaign trail with B*SH

[Ohio rules]

39. Do you listen to Howard every day

What do you think of his program ?

[Dangerman]

41. Well...

I just heard snippets of it and first heard about his situation with Bush at Take Back the Media.com:
http://www.tbtmradio.com/geeklog/public_html/index.php

I felt sorry for Stern when his radio show were kicked out from Clear Channel at that time.

[0007]

40. Yes I trust Howard Stern, but I don't trust your motive for asking.

[Ohio rules]

44. I need to hear

my local rush hour morning traffic in the daily commute.
He never covers that ;)
Howard is into Howard and New York.
Besides, I'm into my local issues and local sports teams.
And
Those damn Yankees can go to hell . LOL!
I doubt your a Yankee fan are ya 007 ?

to make a long story short.
I don't listen to him.


Do you ?

[0007]

45. Have been a card fan since 46. But I do love NYC it is my

favorite place to live.

What your point?

[Swede]

42. He is serious in his anti Bush stance.

Check out his website,he has links to DU and other anti-Bush sites.

http://www.howardstern.com/bush.php

[69KV]

43. He's speaking out against Bush

And right now, that's a good thing, from any source. Howard Stern, Pat Buchanan, Andrew Sullivan...Lots of other people including some conservatives and libertarians.

To trust or not to trust? I'm a solid liberal and don't really like a lot of the positions taken by those people. They don't even agree with each other on a lot of things. But right now, the situation is too dire for anything but a united front against Bush. I think Howard Stern understands this. We're seeing the right divide between honest conservatives with principles, and the sellouts (Zell Miller, McCain, Ahnuld S., etc.) Right now I welcome anyone who speaks out against Bush, and my opinion of them will grow even more if they come out with an outright endorsement for Kerry.

[Pushed To The Left]

46. I think he's sincere

Howard has been more conservative in the past, but has always disliked the religious right. When he saw that the religious right was getting too active and too powerful after the Janet Jackson Superbowl incident, he made a sharp left turn. I can relate to this, because I made my sharp left turn in the Summer of 2003, when I saw how the right-wing reacted to the Supreme Court sodomy ruling. I think the religious right may be responsible for many sharp left turns across the country!