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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 11:25 PM Original message |
I just saw "Hero" and it's very right wing. |
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Ohio Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Isn't that a Tarantino movie? |
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MirrorAshes (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 11:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I don't think he wrote or directed it. I've heard that he was involved |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 11:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. He has a deal with Miramax to find movies for M to distribute. |
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Ohio Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 11:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Well, I haven't seen it. But I'm willing to take your word for this, |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 12:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. It's interesting, and there are some amazing scenes, but it's just |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
30. Yeah, the end is what did it. |
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Sailorman (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. I think you are being silly |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 08:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Read the articles in my posts at the very bottom. |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
103. oh come on now, everybody dies in Tarantino flicks |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. I Fell Asleep - |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 11:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The cowboys won, and apparently the indians should be happy about it. |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
67. Yeah...they should have a speed reading contest with that movie! |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
7. Actually, the message could be interpreted that way... |
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warrior1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 12:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. What I |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 12:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Sure, there was a lot going on, but that last scene pretty firmly set out |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 12:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. is this about the Qin dynasty? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 12:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. The potential subject matter for a film is infinite. There's no... |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. yes, Qin dynasty |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. The assassin wasn't sacrificing himself. He was telling the king that you |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:53 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. I think he *was* sacrificing himself. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:57 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. He was taking a risk. But the upside was that the king was going... |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. but, since it's the Qin dynasty, the emperor also lost. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 07:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I made that same argument once about Europa, Europa... |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
10. I'd call it more authoritarian than right wing. (nt) |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 12:34 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. It was about imperialism. |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
15. I thought the same thing. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:09 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I think about 30 seconds of editing and a different title card at the end |
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gee double you bee (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
16. I haven't seen it yet so I can't comment on the film itself |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I should make it clear that I'm not trying to discourage anyone from pay- |
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gee double you bee (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. . |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:26 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Why are you blowing your cover in a thread about a movie? |
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gee double you bee (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:31 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Stop being foolish |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
69. Welcome to DU gee double you bee |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
68. DON'T WASTE YOU MONEY GOING TO SEE IT...IT'S BULLSHIT! |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
19. It begs the question then....****** spoiler alert ***** |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:22 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. No, I think it would have been better if it didn't make the argument |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Yeah...I know what you mean.... |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
21. I saw it and thought it pro-fascist in the theme. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:25 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Message: "we're killing you for peace -- it's for your own good" |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Kind of like Luke Skywalker joining... |
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gee double you bee (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:51 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. "Message: "we're killing you for peace -- it's for your own good"" |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:54 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. No. It doesn't. There's a title card at the end of the movie which |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I would like to suggest seeing it before... |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
36. It's visually very beautiful |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 02:24 AM Response to Original message |
37. Arguable. |
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Orion82 (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
38. Actually No |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 02:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. You mean the story of a bloody tyrant and the victims who love him. |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
40. Hero is pro-Fascism - one of the stars supports the Tiananmen massacre! |
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Nlighten1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
41. I think you completely missed the point of "Hero" |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 06:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I've done a little research, and it turns out a lot of Chinese scholars... |
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Nlighten1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 08:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Link? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 10:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Two posts down. Mr. Chen, I believe is his name. |
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Nlighten1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:25 AM Response to Reply #59 |
84. I read that one already... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:01 AM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Evans Chan is a film scholar |
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Nlighten1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:13 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. he is "a" film scholar |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. ...furthermore, I've been much more generous to Yimou than others. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Here's another person who agrees: |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 07:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. that's a great link, thanks |
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Comicstripper (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
50. Love the picture in your signature |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
52. Have'nt seen it yet |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
53. Good Grief, AP! You and I can't agree on anything! "Hero" was to me an |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 10:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Read the links in posts 43 and 44 and do a Google search. |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
75. But isn't that the point of opinions about art? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:15 AM Response to Reply #75 |
97. These aren't votes. These are arguments. |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:25 PM Response to Reply #97 |
122. For an alternative review |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. Hero is SO MUCH about politics. It's about the formation of the country |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. First |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. The right-wing part is this: |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. One more thing: |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Understood |
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adamrsilva (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
54. Ha! |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 09:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Did you get that Itzak Perleman played the cello for the soundtrack and |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. One of the stars of the movie supported the Tiananmen Square massacre! |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:41 AM Response to Reply #63 |
76. So? |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 05:16 AM Response to Reply #76 |
85. The person I replied to was talking about the cello player! |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #85 |
123. I misunderstood |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:11 AM Response to Reply #76 |
95. The point isn't that an actor in the film had this opinion. |
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Northwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
56. Utter Bullshit |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 10:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Read the links in posts 43 and 44. They go into more detail and are |
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Northwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 07:21 AM Response to Reply #61 |
88. Read 'em, so what? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #88 |
94. I'm going to guess from that nonesense... |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
57. Are You Serious? |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 09:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Very ironic statement given your name. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 10:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Excellent comment. |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:21 AM Response to Reply #58 |
73. I Think Some People Take Films Too Seriously |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:34 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I thought it was a pretty good film... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:06 AM Response to Reply #74 |
92. and Battleship Potemkin and Alexander Nevsky are also great movies |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:08 AM Response to Reply #73 |
93. Right wing sites aren't going to use cultural criticism to discredit... |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:58 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Conspiracies Are What I'm Talking About |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. And I could take quotes from the freepers or Lucianniacs |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:34 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. It's Subjective |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Some people are trained historians |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. That Doesn't Make Any Sense |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. A movie is not just entertainment, is the point |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:52 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I Read The Books |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. I don't know why you are determined to separate movies from other |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Why Do You Feel It's So Important To Change My Mind? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. I'm not trying to change your mind, just pointing out flaws in your logic |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. I Say It's All Based on Perception |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Well, that's very postmodernist, isn't it? |
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cosmicvortex20 (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
64. Funny, Ive heard it describe as sympathetic with commies. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:35 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Michael Tapper might say it's sympathetic with some of the fascistic |
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cosmicvortex20 (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:20 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I think their is a better term for these type systems... |
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amjsjc (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
65. Actually it's (probably) very Chinese... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:32 AM Response to Reply #65 |
70. See post 44 for Mr Chan's argument about that issue. |
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amjsjc (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:56 AM Response to Reply #70 |
80. Yes, perfectly plausible |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
66. I saw that stupid movie today too...Totally BULLSHIT! |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:45 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. That's a shame |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
78. Review from the Asia Times |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:58 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Exactly spot on. |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
79. From the Salon.com Review that does not share your view |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:17 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. That is an incredibly weak argument, and very circumstantial evidence. |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. I can play the "support my point of view" game too |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. What's your argument about the film? |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:43 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. "Simply descriptive"? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. That isn't really a counterargument. |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:30 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Interpret as you will |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #109 |
116. I think what those reviews show... |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #116 |
124. Then you and I disagree |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. I just don't think that's much of an argument. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Thanks Susang...The movie has incredible symbolism. I'm planning on |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. It usually takes me several viewings |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #112 |
130. I Need To See It Again, Because It Read So Damn Fast |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #101 |
137. Chinese culture is a lot different than US culture |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:58 AM Response to Original message |
82. For those who care, some biographical info on the director |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 05:19 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Other biographies note that he eventually gives in to the powers that be |
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Bat Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:32 AM Response to Reply #86 |
98. You lose! |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #98 |
127. The movie makes a hero of another murderous megalomaniac leader |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #127 |
136. Actually, it makes a hero of a murderous assassin. |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #86 |
100. Yes, obviously this director is exactly the same as Leni Riefenstahl |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-04 12:34 PM Response to Reply #100 |
138. You have to remember |
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Columbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
83. Hate the politics, but love the art |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 05:28 AM Response to Original message |
87. "Hero" is not as mainstream as "Crouching Tiger" |
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Capt_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
89. Usualy I'm at odds with you on other subjects, but |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
105. Does it feel tacked on? Some sort of Beijing influence on the film? |
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RedDragon (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
132. I heard |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #132 |
134. How so? I would say it is more anti-Bush, who just happens to be |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-04 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
135. Assumptions about who the Hero is? |
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