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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:00 PM
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Gays and Lesbians, How many of you are disgusted
by the attempts to smear * by claiming he's Gay? I am.
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mourningdove92 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:03 PM
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1. I don't care for it either. However, if it is true, I would want it to be
known.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 02:13 PM
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33. if it were true
I would agree
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:03 PM
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2. Doesn't bother me. The only people it will truly affect are bigots...
They are the one's that see being gay as bad thing.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:08 PM
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6. Let me say
I am gay...I have said Bush is gay for years. His attacks on Gay and Lesbian Americans is hypocritical and disingenous. He needs to sweep his own doorstep before he comes and sweeps mine.

The attacks are nothing compared to what I have had endured for living the truth. I say his hypocracy should be exposed for all to see.

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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:05 PM
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3. I am mostly upset by the attempt to smear gays and lesbians by claiming
that * is gay.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:30 PM
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23. lol! me too n/t
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:05 PM
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4. Part of me is, but the other part understands that it's the hypocrisy
of it and not just that he "might" be gay. I don't hear anyone saying that it's a bad thing to be gay in relation to this... just that it would be very interesting if the person who seems to hate gays the most, turned out to be gay as well.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:15 PM
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11. oh, they are very careful here not to say its a bad thing,
but the delight is harder to hide.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:43 PM
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28. I would never hide my delight at Bush* being gay.
it is just another famous American that is. Oh the irony is rich.
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Scottie72 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:06 PM
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5. I am for one..
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 01:07 PM by Scottie72
This tacit is very offensive to me.. It basically says that there is something wrong with being gay. I am more disgusted with those on the left who utilize this tacit. I would think that liberals would know better.

on edit: spelling and typo
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:08 PM
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7. How is the truth that busholini has been a closeted bisexual hurt gays.
The fact that he hypocritically demagogues against gays to move his campaign is the disgusting thing.
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Mad As Hell Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:11 PM
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8. Not to mention the threat to national security that trying to keep
this kind of secret poses to the country.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:13 PM
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10. the truth? Ha - that;s a straight man if I ever saw one
I'll need more than Kitty Kelley.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:18 PM
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14. Wow, you have infallible gaydar!
There's a lot more than Kitty Kelly to support this, she didn't pull it out of thin air.
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:41 PM
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27. Exactly
Not only does this book (assuming that it is true and people believe it) reveal Bush's hypocrisy but also the hypocrisy of his supporters. How is a "good, Christian" man like Alan Keyes going to be able to continue to support a "hedonist" like Bush? How are conservatives going to justify continuing discrimination against gays and lesbians in the military? How many Christian conservatives are still going to be able to argue that religion can be used to "cure" homosexuality.

Besides, Kelley's book does not only focus on Bush's sex life. She also apparently portrays him as a crooked businessman (along with the rest of his family) who has "evil" plans for us all (this accusation probably is true).
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judy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:13 PM
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9. I think that Misunderestimator and DenverDem hit the nail on the head
It's not the being gay, it's the hypocrisy.

Besides, I doubt very much that Kitty Kelley can be classified as a Liberal...

For me, if I found that there are reasons to believe that the Smirk is indeed an active gay man, it would definitely calm down my profound dislike of the guy, and while I still would abhorr his policies, it would make him somehow seem more human.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:18 PM
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13. Kitty Kelley sees how well the anti Bush books are selling
no she ain't a liberal, but she is a whore.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:20 PM
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15. Why are you killing the messenger?
Why not deal with the message? She's not making this up without supporting research.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:21 PM
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16. Why on EARTH would you use the word "whore?"
Really... why?
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:27 PM
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19. don't you agree that authors who deal in Enquirerer type sensationalism
are kind of whorish her other books have been. she jumps to lots of conclusions- I admit that i have only read exerpts. but I have seen lots of interviews.I disagree with what I have seen and heard.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:29 PM
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22. There's a fine line between...
calling someone a whore and saying that her books are whorish. And I have not read a single one, so I cannot judge whether that's true or not... still I would never call any woman a whore.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:22 PM
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34. Then refute her books point by point.
Until then you are also jumping to conclusions without any supporting information.

You've only read excerpts but you know you disagree. Sounds like the folks who knew Michael Moore was lying in F911 but never saw the movie.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:22 PM
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17. I agree with them also that it's the hypocrisy, but
it absolutely chills my blood to think that reptile might be gay. I don't want anyone saying that is one of us.

I felt some brief (under 3 seconds) sympathy for * when I heard how his parents behaved after his sisters death. My sympathy for what he may be going through as a deeply closeted gay man who has used his power to damage the lives of gays and lesbians everywhere will not last anywhere close to that long.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:25 PM
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18. I agree with you, but I've met plenty of nasty, hateful, vacuous
gays and lesbians in my lifetime... (about as many per capita as straights...) so he would fit right in.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:36 PM
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25. I know we have the same proportions of jerks as any other population
but the thought of this particular speciman just totally creeps me out. I have to turn the radio or tv off anytime I hear his voice now, because I literally become nauseous as soon as I hear him. I used to be able to struggle through a speech, just to hear what idiot boy would bungle, but no longer.
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TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:17 PM
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12. I'm not.
The enemy of the Nation is the enemy to all. And if Bush is Gay or Bi it's time to out the Mother F*cker Out. Plus if he thinks its o.k to hurt my family, then it's o.k. to hurt his.:mad:
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:27 PM
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20. Who is smearing bush by saying he is gay????
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:28 PM
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21. "That bitch Bush groped me and didn't even pay for dinner!"


Don't take offense deary. The truth is Bush has always been gay, but the fun lies in mocking his hypocrisy.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:32 PM
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24. Yes indeed it does n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:37 PM
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26. I have always thought that Bu$h was gay because he was a cheerleader.
I mean, not all male cheerleaders are gay, of course, just probably most of them. Cheerleading is, right or wrong, socially identified as a feminine pastime, and most guys that are not gay would probably not be interested in cheerleading. What really surprises me is that white male Nascar dads are going to vote for a somewhat effeminate ex-cheerleader like Bu$h that was AWOL from the National Guard. It somehow just doesn't jive with their desire to project a macho image.




But anyway, I don't see how Bu$h being gay is a smear. There is nothing wrong with being gay, and I think it would be awesome if Bu$h was actually our first gay pResident. Maybe he will come out of the closet and we won't have to worry about all this homophobic spew that republicans are always spouting.


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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 02:09 PM
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32. From what I hear President Buchanan
beat him to that honor.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:53 PM
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29. Revealing the truth about Bush's homosexual past is not a smear
if it is true. However, if it proves that he is a fraud and a hypocrite, it becomes relevant to his character and revelatory as to the way he thinks and what his true values are.

As far as true values are concerned, Bush and Cheney are part of an elite who give lip service to the values of moral leadership and yet feel the rules do not apply privately to them. They can condemn sin and speak about God to the masses, but in private they swear like drunken sailors and probably still engage in alcohol abuse.

George Bush has run a photo-op Presidency, where he has marketed an image of righteousness as a product to the Christian right. The display of a cross on the podium where he spoke last Thursday is just one of many, many examples. He has placed his own private life and private conduct at issue. He has placed his own moral values at issue. Therefore, his private life and whether it involves his marketing of a deceptive and fraudulent image to the American people could not be more relevant.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 02:05 PM
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31. there seems to be almost universal belief or willingness to believe
That he is, that is whatis troubling- being sissified is not necesarily Gay: ie Trent Lott, Gary Bauer,Ralph Reed. IT's the hypocrisy you say, first, lets see the photos of hear the testimony. 'Cause he seems like a typical homophobic straight to me
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 02:03 PM
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30. It wasn't that long ago when it was ok to string up black people
just because they were black. It's a shame neo cons want to discriminate against a group of people who have a different sexual preference than you or I. They wish to deny them the same freedoms you and I enjoy and well, I don't, because I believe in freedom. Unlike the neo cons, I feel the evangelical discriminaters, (not the queers) are the ones destroying the moral fabric of society. Did you know Cheney's daughter is queer? Of course you do, ha ha... It's not that big of a wedge issue for me to shoot myself in the foot and vote republican. But if there enough cons who think George might be queer, maybe they will forget to vote. I personally think he's having sex with sheep..
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:25 PM
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35. I don't regard being gay a "smear".
And if George is bisexual whilst trying to stifle the rights of gay Americans, I think it's fair information.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:12 PM
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36. It's not a smear if true
This MF has proposed a Constitutional ban against Gay Marriage
so if his Knuckle dragging homophobia is based on the deep denial of his own Homosexuality then he should be exposed for the hypocritical MF he is.

The Truth Shall Set you Free Mr pResident

Inquiring minds want to know is Bush* the homophobe Gay?
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:14 PM
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37. *Very* disgusted. I would expect better from our party... I can't wait
until this is all over and kerry has taken office.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:28 PM
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38. It's smearing Bush by claiming he's a closeted hypocrite
If George Bush is, in fact, bisexual and engaging in bisexual relationships while limiting my rights, I want him brought out. If he is embraced by the bigots that support him anyway, then that is good for me. If he is then rejected by the bigots that support him that is even better for me as then WE GET CONTROL of the national conversation again.
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 05:18 PM
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39. Sure its offensive
Shrub is bad Gay is bad, so Shrub is Gay.


I personally don't care if he is gay, straight, bisexual, transgener, two spirited, or assexual. I think he is evil to the core, and I want him voted out of office and made to pay for his evil deeds in the court of public opinion.
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