Could Bush and his pals be the False Prophets of the Book of Revelations?

[revree]

I have been thinking about this lately, how these right wing Christian nutcases think Bush/Cheney/et al... are the new Messiahs, yet when I read the Book of Rev. it seems to me Bush and his cronies are perfectly fitting the description of the False Prophets, and that they have their millions of cult-like followers who think they are messianic...The False Prophets were those who claimed to be Christlike, yet led the stupid masses into war, violence and complete devestation before Ol' Jesus came back...this according to John of Patmos, who many scholars believe was high on mushrooms when he wrote the Book of Revelations. I'm serious!

Anyway, If you think about the irony, it makes you want to laugh...until you realize just how fucking scary this whole thing is. You've got all these right wing fanatics acting like Jesus elected them high and holy, yet they are playing this role of False Prophets and stupid followers, and they are all doing it so good they are fooling a hell of a lot of people. Food for thought...

[whistle]

1. Well I don't know about prophets, but they sure act like Satan's...

...deciples!

[Narraback]

2. Something from May 2003

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

Snip:

WASHINGTON DC -- According to freelance journalist Wayne Madsden, "George W Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs and his constant references to 'evil doers,' in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations--the anti-Christ."

Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns, the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

[revree]

4. I think maybe Karl Rove is the Anti-Christ

because Bush is just not smart enough. He's a puppet. We need to be afraid of those pulling the strings, like that scary Paul Wolfowitz, and Dick Cheney, who is almost as satanic to me as Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker!!!

[htuttle]

11. He's not the antichrist!

He is a very naughty boy!

[WillyT]

25. I Hear His Father Was A Roman...

Biggus Dickus Headus I think.

:evilgrin:

[smirkymonkey]

37. No, no....A Wohman.

:evilgrin:

[Sporadicus]

3. Shows That the Fundies Don't Take Their Own Admonitions Seriously

Otherwise they would have already identified * as a false prophet.

[revree]

5. Yes, but the whole point I guess is that these morons will be

taken in by these false prophets, fooled into following them like they are in a cult...and gee, that is exactly what the Republican party seems to be these days, a spooky cult!!!

[Sporadicus]

6. Also Speaks Volumes About Fundies in General

They're supposed to be recipients of 'spiritual gifts,' one of which is discernment between what is Godly and what is not.

[revree]

7. Oh, dear. Their spiritual gifts are probably from Wal-Mart.

Cheap and unAmerican.

[FizzFuzz]

9. ha what a load of crap. n/t

[vetwife]

73. Plllllllease can I make a little observation on this one?

We know clinton is not dumb and Clinton said more than once that W is crafty and actually said that he was not dumb at all.O'neill the Treasury sect. said the same thing. Now that scares me a bit. I prefer to think of him as DUMB and STUPID and I don't think he could act that well. BUT ...saying all that I do believe in Revelation but not in the way they do literally. I think Bush could be a Forerunner of the AntiChrist as John the Baptist was in christian belief ......Now I don't believe the next president is the antichrist but...... think about this a minute who ever has to say in years to come and make no mistake about it , it will take years...to clean up Bush's mess. a beacon of light.has the opportunity to step in and appear to be all knowing and the best thing that happened since peanut butter and there would be peace for 3 and 1/2 years. He is setting th stage. That is my opinion anyway. It is not Kerry. Its not Clinton but it is someobdy Old Bushie knows very well in my humble opinion.

[Tamyrlin79]

8. There is a verse...

in Revelations that refers to something along the lines of a "tiger with many heads"... and it makes me think of that fox news pundits, the rush limbaugh radio, and the various faces of the right-wing power machine. Many different "heads", but same "tiger". However, I also see how this image can be applied to many different situations.

[Javaman]

50. I think there is also something about....

A boob from texas that can't link two words together. ;)

[Tiberius]

54. The number of the beast

George = 6
Walker = 6
BushJr = 6

[coreystone]

68. Maybe the Germanic spelling "Busche" may be better at the 6....

but, prophesy says there will be three and half years of peace.

:) prior to ................

[Brian Morans]

75. Hilarious!

[ogsball]

10. Actually that's typically how the Bible Works.

The bad guys are insiders. You don't recognize them. The two headed beast is actually a false messiah teaching a false message that everyone follows.

Could the head wound be Bushes struggle with addiction? Now to make BUSH add up to 666?

[shraby]

14. Two headed beast =

Bush and Cheney

[Javaman]

51. Easy...

Bush=666 lol

[bvar22]

12. By their works....

....you will know them." (the false prophets)

"We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth in defense of this great nation." ----bush*

[TrustingDog]

13. just for one, Halliburton is full of false profits.

[A_Possum]

19. lol n/t

[Eloriel]

15. The Pope thinks Bush is the Anti-Christ. Seriously.

Wish I had a link, but I don't.

[htuttle]

16. Here

Best link I could find:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

[Eloriel]

36. Ooo, good. THANKS! n/t

[madrchsod]

17. where are the prophets of today?

i think we should search for our own historical prophets..some men such as King , Gandhi, and Mandela come to mind. searching thru a 1900 year old story of the problems Mary and the disciples scaring the Christians on the "right path" may have some relavence today,but
the story of revelations is just a history of a time, nothing more- nothing less. we need to look for our own story

[Geo55]

18. Yep....

Best trick the devil ever pulled was gettin' folks to believe he didn't exist.



an' now to sleep...and dream of better things

[Ladyhawk]

20. That picture of yours scares the hell out of me. n/t

[Dookus]

21. umm...no

it's all hooey. Why believe any of it, ESPECIALLY the so-called "predictions" of Revelations?

We'll all be better off when we get past these ancient superstitions.

[NuttyFluffers]

22. well, when the GOP wears elephant stickers on their forehead...

during their convention then we'll know the truth :D

[LunaSea]

23. Making policy conform to prophecy

scares the echatology outta me!
Anyone else read the Maureen Farrell piece noting examples of what these folks are doing?

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/08/far04029.html

[The Night Owl]

24. Bush is not the Antichrist. Here is why...

Imagine that you are Satan and you are looking for someone to represent you on Earth... Would you pick a dolt like Bush to represent you?

Then again, perhaps the apparent stupidity of the president is an act. ;-)

One thing if for certain... Like Damien in the Omen movies, Smirk always seems to have a lot of protectors who watch over him and rescue him when he gets in a bind.

:evilgrin:

[bloom]

74. If i believed in all that.... I would think Bush* would be exactly

the sort of person to represent Satan. And look at how people fall for him - no matter what sort of crap he creates....

[Nordic]

26. he certainly qualifies as a false prophet as described in Matthew

where it was said "ye shall know them by their fruits".

Here are some of Bush's fruits:

Warning, very graphic content

http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/iraq/?pic=166

[Tsiyu]

33. Thanks for that link. I was about to post a request for a few

of the "casualties" that make Bush a most successful "BABY KILLER."
I want to e-mail this link to everyone, but i'll settle for a few choice folks to start.....

If you believe in such stuff, the main thing prophesied ( by the Messiah) was that no one, not even he, knew when the time of the end would be. Only "the Father" knows.

People have speculated about this ever since Jesus' death. Anyone who would try to hasten "The End" or predict it or claim to know anything at all about the exact time of the Messiah's return would be claiming that they in fact were more important in the chain of command than Jesus.

Which may or may not be true. Who the hell knows anymore? But I just think if I make it through November 2nd that will be enough to worry about.

You do have to stop and consider that * is the anti-Christ. But I always thought it was Reagan. And Cheney sure is one scary dude.

And, sidenote: prophets come in all shapes and sizes....from what I've heard

[Bat Boy]

27. Okay, I admit it.

My buddies and I are the false prophets of Revelation.

Problem is we never really received any training. We were just plopped down here and told, "Get on with it. Make with the false prophesies."

So we gave it a shot, but we could never get anything rolling. Then Bush and his guys came along, and they were so much better at it than we were...well, we just kinda let him do it.

So basically we've been marking time, waiting for the five horsemen of the apocalypse to show up.

That's right. Five. Conquest, War, Famine, Death and Tony.

Nobody ever talks about Tony.

[wordout]

34. lol, Tony?

Was he that red-headed bastard stepchild whose parents moved to eastern europe and then immigrated to israel? His own family doesn't like to talk about Tony!

[Bat Boy]

40. Tony is comic relief...

Every group has that one guy that is there for the amusement of others. The guy that will eat a bug just because someone told him to.

That's Tony.

They let him sit in on apocalyptic planning meetings in case they need a beer run.

Tony had one good idea. Raining frogs. That was just too weird to pass up. But since then it's been one lame idea after another. Tony wanted to turn rivers into pudding. Tony wanted to let an enormous sloth loose on a major city. Tony wanted a plague of hamsters.

Actually Famine was ready to roll with the plague of hamsters just because he thought it would be hysterical. The other three talked him out of it.

So when the Apocalypse comes look for five horsemen. Four of them will be holding flaming swords and looking quite impressive and one will be in jeans and a t-shirt and a cooler strapped to the back of his horse. He'll probably be screaming, "Hey guys! Wait up!"

[Javaman]

53. Tony the bringer of bad jokes... He rides a donkey

[Bat Boy]

57. Yes, it is a donkey.

But don't tell him. He thinks it's a "special" horse. Yet another in a series of practical jokes at Tony's expense.

[Javaman]

61. or should that be an elephant? ;)

[kayell]

55. I thought the fifth horseman was Toby

Keith. :shrug: Horseman of Really Bad Offensive "Music"

[Strelnikov_]

65. Funny, Very Funny <nt>

[BeHereNow]

28. There is NO question in my mind.

The answer is YES.
I sincerely request that atheist or agnostic DUers
refrain from insulting other DUers that are Christians.
One of the other posters on this thread referred to
the spiritual gift of discernment. Now this is very interesting
because I have just exchanged several PMs with another
Christian DUer about this very topic.

As a Christian, I KNOW that discernment is REAL.
The day that the cowboy monkey king dressed up
and declared the mission was accomplished, I
experienced the spiritual gift of discernment, which
in Christianity is also known as the ongoing process
of sanctification, which is the result of justification,
or in more familiar terms, salvation.

On that day, the cowboy monkey king quoted
a particular passage from the book of Isaiah, which
is later quoted by Jesus to the church of Nazareth
in Luke 4. My blood ran cold when it happened, because
as a Christian, discernment kicked in and I knew what it meant,
it was code for proclaiming himself as the new messiah, intended
for the ears of the false x-tians.

I posted a thread about it, which has since disappeared
in the archives- I have never been able to find it again.

Those of you who were at DU at the time will probably
remember it. It has come up from time to time, but no one
has been able to find it. This is not surprising to me at all
for reasons I don't care to go into.

I do not think cowboy monkey king is the anti-christ.
I think he is the first beast in Revelation13. If so,
the real trouble is waiting in the wings, soon to
appear on the world stage.

BHN

[camero]

29. This thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1429408

I remember that thread well and think that the blow to the head that the book refers to could possibly be 9/11, as the market recovered after the collapse of the towers.

Hope I was of help.

[BeHereNow]

30. No, but certainly related to-

Thanks for bringing that one to the table though-
the one I, and no one else seems to be able to find
was posted within hours of the moment the cowboy monkey
king blasphemed from the deck of the boat...
I and Tinore both looked for it in the archives
on that date, it's gone.
Speaking of Tinore...where the heck is she?
I haven't seen her around DU for quite some time now.
Tinore...are you still here?
BHN

[camero]

31. I haven't seen her lately either

And I wonder myself. Maybe the thread you refered to got moved to the meeting room? It was a very profound thing to see when that happened.

I hope Tinore is ok.

[BeHereNow]

32. I have her phone number somewhere...

I will try to reach her tomorrow.
It's too late to call tonight-
Frankly, I have been worried about her.

Tinore, if you are reading this-
please check in.

BHN

[smirkymonkey]

38. I am not a Christian, but I find this interesting.

Would love to hear more about it - would you consider another post in the Meeting Room about it?

[BeHereNow]

43. I am always willing to discuss my faith-

but I am not sure what, specifically, you
are interested in learning more about.
Revelation 13?
BHN

[smirkymonkey]

64. Yes, Revelation 13 would be a good start

Even though I am not formally religious, I can respect the essence of most spiritual traditions. I still find many of the texts of various religions interesting, especially the more esoteric aspects.

I am familiar the prophecies of other cultures (that would not have shared knowledge w/ the early Christians) and find it interesting how many of the prophetic revelations overlap.

[Dookus]

39. But do you see the problem?

If you can use biblical "prophecy" against Bush, the other side is equally justified to use the bible to slam ME.

There is NO evidence that the Book of Revelations is an accurate predictor of anything. It has been used for almost 2000 years to justify all sorts of terrible behavior.

Let's oppose Bush because he's WRONG, not because a guy with temporal lobe epilepsy recorded his hallucinations almost 2000 years ago. Using the bible to justify political stances is a sword that cuts both ways, and historically has cut our side the worst.

[BeHereNow]

42. Hey Dookus- It's Revelation, not Revelations

And just for clarification-
True Christians, not x-tians, would NEVER apply the
scriptures in politics or as a reason to slam anything.
(On edit: except to slam deception...)

The scriptures are very useful in
revealing FALSE Christians. It is ALWAYS accurate
in that case. You are correct that the scriptures
have been misused by false Christians to
justify atrocities.
As a Christian, I recognize that Bush is not
a Christian. Therefore I oppose his
false teaching and the damage he is
doing to the people who are being deceived
spiritually- he is guilty of what is referred to
in 1 John 5 as "the sin that leads to death"
In his case, he is responsible not only for
phsical deaths of innocent people, but also
SPIRITUAL death. Such people are warned of
many times in the bible and for real Christians,
Bush is not only terrible president in a wordly sense,
but also a big red flag in a spiritual sense.
So basically we agree; I just wanted to try and share
with you the fact that for Christians, he is even more
alarming.
Thanks for listening.
BHN

[revree]

46. Hey "Dookus!" smile

You bring up an excellent point about true Christians identifying Bush as something other than what he claims to be! Do you see any kind of movement in Christianity to confront people like Bush on this? I think that if that were to happen, other Christians would begin to speak up and stand for the truth, but right now, it only seems as though the minority right wing extremists get all the media and public discourse.

I am wondering what might have to happen to get the mainstream Christians to begin to feel more comfortable speaking out in places other than this.

[BeHereNow]

58. Funny you should ask...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x787915
This just posted in LBN.
Yes, the Christians are speaking out.
I am going to find out how to get this published
in my local newspaper!
BHN

[Dookus]

62. Yes

it is the "Book of Revelation". My bad.

But can you imagine my dilemma, as a non-believer? I have two competing sides using the same Bible to justify very different views. Neither side presents a reason why they are "more correct" beyond "this is my interpretation". You can use the Bible to argue that Bush is the anti-Christ. The other side can use it to argue that it's Kofi Annan, or Bill/Hillary Clinton, or Vladimir Putin, or the Pope, or whomever.

Why should I believe a) that there is ANY predictive power in the Book of Revelation and b) that your interpretation is the correct one?

[revree]

44. This is interesting.

The spiritual gift of discernment goes by many names and is present in all religions, and those who consider themselves spiritual but not tied to a particular religion I guess would call it inner wisdom.

Here's a problem. When you get a discernment, are you given an inner knowing of what direction or action to take with it? I have found many of my Christian friends feel frustrated and even despairing because they sense the truth but know that many of the more vocal, right wing Christians simply will not listen.

Just a thought...

[BeHereNow]

52. Discernment in a Christian Sense:

For me, the experience of discernment
ALWAYS occurs with a what I call a sense of intervention-
usually followed by a passage from scripture
as it relates to revealing the fact that I am
facing decpetion.
As for your friends who are frustrated by trying to
discuss things with Right wing x-tians, may I suggest
a few chapters in the bible as it relates to this?

Matthew Chapter 10
(The whole chapter gives very clear directions about this)

1 John Chapter 4
(Again the whole thing as it is devoted entirely
to recognizing when you are dealing with false Christians)

Personally I think too many Christians forget to read their
bibles- it provides a road map for EVERY possible situation.
I see so many Christians relying on their ministers to
tell them what the bible says- if you don't know yourself
and rely on the teaching of another man, who like
yourself is subject to the imperfections of the worldly
state, then how do you know if you are being deceived
by your church or not?
I always recommend to my Christian friend that they
know what the bible says by their own study of it,
so they will know what it doesn NOT say.
Much more to know important that, if you ask me.
I have sat in churches and known I was hearing false
teaching, but only because I rely on the Holy Spirit
to reveal the truth to me as I read the bible,
not some person who claims to know.
Also knowing the scripture as it is revealed by
the spirit will destroy your average x-tian in a
discussion in ten minutes EVERY time.
The fact is, most of them have NO idea what
is taught in the bible...they can only spew
selected verses, out of context like Fox news
sound bites.
BHN

[talkinghand]

35. Personally, I'm not sure... but!

I did just read this tonight:

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

Yet another interesting link garnered from conspiracy board godlikeproductions.com

Enjoy!

talkinghand

[The Flaming Red Head]

41. And Behold I give a new Iraq

if the anti christ is as ignorant as Bush no wonder good wins at the end

[mmonk]

45. No

nothing in the Bible is referring to 2004. It was written by ancient people concerning their enemies in their time.

[revree]

47. Of course, WE know that. The question was rhetorical, and ironic as well!

They believe in these revelations as being directly related to what is going on NOW, yet these revelations, if they were related to what is going on NOW, would point the finger at THEM directly. That was the point of the post, and boy, did it get some great feedback!!!

[mmonk]

48. And we should write a book or

our own series of books on revelations and "left behind" books and market them to the Christian Right and turn them against their own. Anyone with me?

[Bruce McAuley]

63. This tactic works GREAT with Fundies...

If they really believe in this hogwash, then the best thing to say is, "Gee, what do you think of the notion that Bush is the AntiChrist? I've heard many people talking about this? Even the Pope is worried that Bush is the Anti-Christ(true!)."
Stand back and let 'em rant.
:hi:

Bruce

[Christof]

49. You know, I've been wondering this too.

And it makes sense if you think about it. Bloodlust, Dubya's devout followers, Christian references all the time, brainwashing everyone...

I should go repent my sins now.

[Stuckinthebush]

56. No

Because The Book of Revelation (not plural, by the way) is pure fiction.

However, I would agree in general that Bush and his pals are false prophets.

[yellowcanine]

59. Bush not smart enough to be a prophet, not even a false one.

But he is false. One out of two ain't bad.

[Elginoid]

60. No.

seeing as how the bible(and that would include 'the revelations') is a work of fiction, and all...

[LanternWaste]

66. Don't think so...

Well, being a Christian Nutcase myself, I'd have to say no. The Phalse Prophet is supposed to be an extremely charasmatic individual- the vast majority of people worldwide admiring him. We know that's not the case. Additionally, the Phalse Prophet is expected to usher in a period of cold peace. Don't see * doing that. :)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

67. "All inhabitants of the earth shall worship the beast"

They're sure going to have a hard time getting all of us on board....

"All inhabitants of the earth shall worship the beast-all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain form the creation of the world."

[leftofthedial]

69. no. Revelation is a bunch of superstitious claptrap

the bushgang are legitimately, objectively lying evil sacks of shit who want to return us to feudalism.

[stavka]

70. Reply - they could also be "The Legion of Doom" from Superfriends

For many they are an equal threat.

I must excuse myself, I'm on the watch for Vampires, Ghosts, and spirits of ill will....

[jackieforthedems]

71. I Agree With You

A good number of people are totally blind to Bush and company. I personally don't know how anybody would want a guy in as our leader, our President, for God's sake, whose great grandfather helped finance Hitler's extermination of so many innocent human beings back in WW II. Don't know if any of you watched the Closing Ceremonies of the Olympics, but I didn't know that Hitler had nailed Greece, too. I was really upset to hear about that. If people think that George W. is any different from his great grandpa, they are wrong. The fruit never falls far from the tree. Maybe when they all have 666 branded on their asses, they'll start to wonder what's really going on?!

[J Williams]

72. Bush DOES justify himself with false beliefs ... Here's why.

I gladly share something I just read.

“(Hypocrites) cling to scary symbolism, preferring to believe in all sorts of different scenarios about a ‘final holy war’ and the destruction of their enemies, and they simply ignore, overlook, or misunderstand real prophecy.”

“But even worse, false beliefs are leading some zealots who have a propensity for violence to believe that they should try to help start the ‘final world war’ (or at least feed the fires of existing conflict and violence so that it will turn into the final war), believing that it will bring on the Christ’s ‘second coming’ and the ‘end of this world.’ In fact, some preachers on the Christian Right even helped George W. Bush to beat the war drums for the war on Iraq by claiming that it would fulfill the prophecy of the ‘sixth angel’ who “poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates...’ (Revelation 16:12)”

“You see, even though it’s not well known, Bush subscribes to the doctrine of ‘end times’ (eschatology), known as ‘dominionism.’ It is the eschatology through which Bush has come to see himself as an agent of God. As journalist Bob Woodward has said sarcastically, ‘The president was casting his mission and that of the country in the grand vision of God’s Master Plan.’ And in Woodward’s more recent book The Plan of Attack, he reveals Bush’s immense pride in his belief that he’s ‘doing God’s will’ by waging war.”

And you’re right, Bush actually is serving more as the “King of Babylon” than anything else.

I read the above in the book titled What IS the World Coming To? (ISBN: 0-595-31998-X) It's great, and it's just what the world needs to hear right now to deal with all the religious bigotry and hypocrisy.

To read the introduction, go to: http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-31998-X