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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:21 AM
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When did repugs decide lying is good political technique?

And why does nobody in the media call them on it?

If this is a permanent change there is little hope to restore democracy to the country.

What can be done to change it. I'm interested in your views, not just agreement with the statement.





Too bad stupidity isn't painful.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:23 AM
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1. They have been doing it for a long, long time with no consequence ...
and it has emboldened them to tell even bigger lies.

And if there is justice, it will burn when they pee. Every single time.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:26 AM
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4. PEPPERBELLY NAILS IT
it used to be just lies by ommission, innuendo, misleading stuff. It has evolved into outright LIES, easily disproved, that are getting people KILLED. The repug party no longer feels the need to EVER TELL THE TRUTH.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 12:03 PM
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12. Once the media stopped saying GOP lies - there was only upside
to telling lies.

Indeed the fun thing to watch was the GOP saying Gore lied and the media ignoring all the proof that he had not - the "invent the internet" - a statement that was never made - still shows up on News shows - Tim Russert used it in the last month - and the fact of the Gore Bill of 86 and 89 that did indeed fund and give structure and private control of ARPA-NET - making the internet real - is never mentioned.

So the answer - When US News media became controlled by right wing GOP - or if not controlled - they decided to act like they were controlled by right wing GOP- was indeed about the time the GOP started to scream that the Media was left wing controlled - a very effective lie!
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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:23 AM
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2. It worked for Goebbels
It works for his children. Family tradition, as it were.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:24 AM
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3. it's
called 'shock and awe'

and so far it's a tactic that's worked brilliantly for them (better, in fact, than the real shock and awe of march)


but it won't last... one can only lie but so much without folks finally starting to see the holes
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:26 AM
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5. About The Same Time That The "Liberal Media" Decided To
go along with their lies and not expose them.

-- Allen

P.S. What is a "Media Horse" anyway? ;-)
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:27 AM
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6. It works when the opposition is meek.
Edited on Sun Aug-24-03 11:27 AM by poskonig
When someone calls one on their bs, however, it can backfire.

Usually lies are most effective in campaign ads right before an election so the attackee doesn't have enough time to respond. They also work to get an opponent off message.
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:28 AM
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7. People will always buy "a pretty lie" over the ugly truth.
People will always buy "a pretty lie" over the ugly truth.

Thus has it always been, I think. So when immoral people come along,
they find a willing audience for their lies.

Here's a prime example from 1984:

Walter Mondale: "Let's tell the truth. Mr. Reagan will raise your
taxes, and so will I. He won't tell you. I just did."

http://www.palmdigitalmedia.com/excerpt.cgi/0312246021

People willingly bought Reagan's lie.

Atlant
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snyttri Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:28 AM
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8. Karl Rove was known for the same techniques he's using now when
he was in Texas, before he found Bush. The public doesn't take the trouble to read mainstream stuff like the Times and the Post where the lies are reported.
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shockandawed Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:31 AM
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9. Republicanism is LYING at its core
Think about it.

Would a reasonable, average person advocate

massive corporate welfare,
a hideously unfair tax system,
a privitization of federal assets they own with no benefit to them,
cutting down trees to keep them from burning,
drilling in national parks for oil,
invading a country to overthrow the dictator WE installed,
surrendering freedoms to supposedly protect freedom itself,

WOULD REASONABLE PEOPLE EVER ADVOCATE THESE THINGS WITHOUT BEING LIED TO??????????????????????

REPUBLICANISM IS THE LYING OF THE RICH TO THE POOR FOR THEIR GAIN.

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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:36 AM
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10. Ding! Ding! Ding!
I think we have a winner. And the fact that the media never calls them on it. They tell lie after lie on interview shows and I'm wondering if the pundits are just that uninformed and incompetent or they are purposely letting them get away with it.
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snyttri Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:43 AM
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11. Paul Krugman in the Times and Walter Pincus in the Post (on Iraq intel)
are good exceptions to the general look the other way attitude.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 03:02 PM
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13. It's the CEO mentality.
I wish a CEO would tell the truth about how he made it to the top. Lying to consumers is probably the norm. Marketing products is all about targeting your base and telling them what they want to hear.
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 04:03 PM
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14. It goes back to before Andrew Johnson.
They are lying criminals and lying criminals will lie, cheat,
slander, distort and steal to get money & power. 
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