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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:06 PM
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What did John O'Neill do in Vietnam?
Why aren't we going after HIS record like they're going after Kerry's?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:07 PM
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1. because we're better than they are
When Kerry got his record attacked in '96, he didnt mention that Bill Weld had deferements, he said this isnt about Weld, this is about me, my integrity.
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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:11 PM
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2. I'm still interested in what this guy did in Vietnam.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:12 PM
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3. Me too
Our high ideals aren't getting us very far on this one, I'm afraid. I don't want dirt...I just want the truth.
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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:16 PM
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4. So nobody knows what he did? Any medals or anything?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:17 PM
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5. Accordingly, John O'Neill shadowed Kerry's every move.
Edited on Fri Aug-13-04 12:18 PM by 0007
I thought I heard him say he was on a gun boat that was very close to Kerry's gun boat.

But goddamnit! let's find out and kick the bastard in his money making chops.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:38 PM
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11. O'Neill took over Kerry's swift boat AFTER Kerry left Vietnam

They never served together



http://www.washingtondispatch.com/opinion/article_9754.shtml

<snip>
John O'Neill, the author of the soon to be released book that attacks John Kerry's Vietnam service, never even served on a swift boat at the same time as John Kerry. Kerry was back home in the United States by the time O'Neill took command of his first unit! O'Neill did not even know John Kerry until he was tapped by Richard Nixon . Huh, what was that? Yes, this story gets even more interesting.
<snip>


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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:46 PM
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13. Thanks for the information and the link.
I'd like to see this slanderous asshole in a court of law facing a heavy fine and jail time.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:50 PM
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14. Wouldn't some of the men that served under Kerry also have served
under O'Neil and if so what do those men have to say about his leadership? Just because Kerry got transferred off the Swift Boat doesn't mean his men did. They would have still been there and should have first hand knowlege of O'Neil's leadership.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 01:28 PM
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15. Would be nice if someone could research that.
I don't know if any of those vets who support Kerry also served under O'Neill. But it would be great if more Vietnam vets would come forward and openly support Kerry and speak out against those liars.

However, I think many Vietnam veterans were really angry about all the soldiers who came back from Vietnam and who then started to protest the war. Those people might still hold a grudge against Kerry and are probably not willing to speak up, even if they have proof that O'Neill is lying.

I was satisfied with Tweety's questioning of O'Neill yesterday:

You have Navy records, all attesting to Kerry's bravery. Then you have those veterans who directly served with Kerry on the same boat and are eyewitnesses, standing behind Kerry and supporting him. And then you have a bunch of vets who never served with Kerry, who weren't eyewitnesses, who still hate Kerry for his anti-war activities, and who are financed by a Texas Republican who is a big donor to the GOP and Bush...

Who would you believe?
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:19 PM
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6. I was wondering about that too
as I watched him on hardball. Someone that slimey must have made enemies in the service, if only we could find them.

Also, he looks a little like John Ashcroft. He has that same evil
presence.
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:23 PM
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7. personally
I don't care what his success or failure was in Veitnam..the boy CLEARLY has some penis envy with Kerry....he is a sad individual
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:28 PM
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8. John O'Neill wet his pants regularly and wore pink underwear
At least, that's what I heard through some very reliable scuttlebutt. I challenge Mr. O'Neill to prove me wrong!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:33 PM
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9. I haven't found any actual records for O'Neil, but I found this
from the WSJ:

Mr. O'Neill served in Coastal Division 11 in 1969-70, winning two Bronze Stars and additional decorations for his service in Vietnam.

http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005036

I also thought it was weird that O'Neil took over command of the same Swift Boat, PCF-94, after Kerry left Vietnam. Wonder if this is where the anger began?
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:33 PM
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10. Found this crap
from the very RW National Review, so of course they would make him out a hero. Maybe we can find some of HIS shipmates and fellow officers to lie about him, huh?

The first thing you need to know about John O'Neill is that the O'Neills were sea dogs through and through. Even today, there are some 90 first cousins living in and around Annapolis — home of the Naval Academy — many of them serving in America's fleets. O'Neill's grandfather taught at the Naval Academy; his father graduated in the early '30s, flew fighters, fought at Iwo Jima, and retired an admiral; O'Neill himself, who grew up in landlocked San Antonio, Texas, was in the Naval Academy Class of 1967 (two brothers also graduated, '57 and '59). An uncle, a fighter pilot, was killed at Pearl Harbor; another, also a naval pilot, in Korea. Several of O'Neill's nephews fought in the first Gulf War in the Marine Corps, and his brother-in-law commanded the Coast Guard, Atlantic Area. Nelson and Nimitz would have been proud of the O'Neills.

Young Ensign O'Neill chose to serve aboard a minesweeper, the Woodpecker. His fellow classmates had a good laugh. A minesweeper? Not exactly the most glamorous gig in the Navy, and an especially odd choice for a man whose class standing was so high he could have breezed into pretty much any posting he desired. But O'Neill's motive was nothing to laugh about: Mindful of the "family tradition of service," he says it was "important to me not to sit out the war" — and he supposed that he had a better chance of seeing action on one of the smaller boats than he would have cooling his heels aboard an aircraft carrier.

After a year on the Woodpecker, O'Neill transferred to the Swift boats in the spring of 1969, serving on them until the summer of 1970. His boat was fired on many times as it patrolled the Cambodian border, as well as the Uminh and Namcan forests in southern Vietnam. In the Swifts, says O'Neill, the average length of service was twelve months; John Kerry was in for four.

After a little over two years' duty, O'Neill himself departed Vietnam with two Bronze Stars (with "V"s for valor in combat) pinned to his chest. There were apparently several more decorations, but when I asked about them, his modesty triumphed over my curiosity. He also came home with a badly damaged knee and leg, which earned him some time in a military hospital. And it was there that John O'Neill started learning about the Senate testimony of someone named John Kerry. Distressed and angered by the future senator's allegations, none of which squared with his own experiences, O'Neill vainly wrote to the Foreign Relations Committee asking for a chance to testify himself.


http://www.nationalreview.com/rose/rose200404211228.asp
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LeinesRed Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:45 PM
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12. O'Neil played along with Tricky Dick to discredit Kerry
that's all I need to know about his character....
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