Is Humanity UNFIT for Colonizing the Galaxy???

[opihimoimoi]

Poll question: Is Humanity UNFIT for Colonizing the Galaxy???

Are we a WEED or a SEED?

[rogerashton]

1. Both, actually.

Weeds seed like all getout.

[opihimoimoi]

12. The WEEDS have it

Unless we fix things in a hurry, the Weeds will overwhelm our asses with their Negativity thus going against Natures Code of Conduct...

which calls for The Seed Path....

[Dogmudgeon]

2. We need stronger seeds

We need to overcome the weeds.

You can't spread the Aloha without being seed.

--bkl

[opihimoimoi]

13. True, but a paradox exists: How to overcome Fantasy/Delusion

in a symbiotic way....

[thisismyboomstick3]

3. We're alone in the galaxy.

Want proof? google "Fermi's Paradox".

[opihimoimoi]

16. Alone?? If we are alone so be it... that doesn't mean we should not go

for the immortilization of the Human Species by colonizing deep space.

Tis the Fallopian theory..we know not what lies ahead....

[thisismyboomstick3]

38. I agree completely

[AlienGirl]

57. Betcha a buck humans don't break the Fermi barrier

[opihimoimoi]

59. Tucker, you got me, WTH is the Fermi?

??????

[Gregorian]

4. No. But the galaxy is unfit for humans

There's no air.
This idea always stikes me as absurd.

[opihimoimoi]

17. We will find the air....or make it...whatever, if there is a WILL, there

is a WAY.

[bleedingedge]

5. My Sig Line Says It All.

Please keep in mnd that the following sig line quotes pre-date "The Matrix" by almost a decade.

[CrispyQ]

14. Ahhh, Agent Smith, my hero!

I love that scene!

[opihimoimoi]

18. Yup, we are a virus on a CELL called EARTH...

Natures lesson 307.02

Never over consume ...

Go for sustainability... but the Neg Forces prevalent on Earth prevents Sustainability big time....goes against Common Sense big time...

[bleedingedge]

30. I don't think "sustainability" is a viable option for people.

I disagree that it is a general negative force that prevents humanity from settling on sustainability as a concept. Any organism, given the chance, breeds to a point of environmental collapse. That's our problem: technology and the shelter we've created for ourselves from predators, disease, natural life progression, etc. make us, in essence, unnatural.

No other organism has managed to overcome the inevitable backlash that nature always cooks up for populations that over-produce. In my darker hours, I envisage Ebola, Marburg, Hantavirus, SARS as nature's first little science experiments against this pox called man.

An interesting take on man v. nature is James Cameron's "scriptment" called "Avatar". An interesting way to kill an afternoon.

http://www.wordsurge.com/Avatar__by_James_Cameron.txt

[opihimoimoi]

31. Such is the Human Paradox, reject what is best for us....

and instead, embrace Miricles/Fantasy/Delusion, etc....

Will Humanity recognize this in time to make a reversal?

Don't bet on it....Odds go against it...

[rman]

33. still, you can waste a lot, or you can waste less

even if sustainability is not really possible, then we can still have an effect on how long our stay will be. being inefficient at using available resources won't help prolong our stay.

[bleedingedge]

36. Don't get me wrong.

I'm not saying it's OK for us to ignore the idea of sustainability. I support recycling, environmental protections, clear-air technologies, solr/wind power, zero-growth population, etc. I just don't think people are likely to convert to those ideas en masse.

[opihimoimoi]

41. It would require a massive information blitz...not impossible but with

todays present leaders...improbable...at best... pity.

[htuttle]

45. The Current Order is a house built on sand

Resource shocks will give it a push, and over it will go.

But we'll all still be here. Well, some of us, anyway.

Then what do you wanna do?

After the dust settles and the crying is over, I say that we try building from the bottom up next time, instead of from the top down. Maybe by 2070, or so, we make a fresh start on things.

[opihimoimoi]

48. Hopefully you are right...but, the World will be far different...

We will have weakened ourselves to the point of Mootness..the Promise Humans present will be tarnished by the self serving factions desire to control/dominate.

[opihimoimoi]

42. We have blown away natures resources in one hundred years

I speak of OIL.

Instead of using it for sustainability we use it for WAR... once more, pity.

[Realityhack]

47. True

But then we like to think of ourselves as diffrent because we can understand the concept of sustainability.

I would argue that the problem is that as a group we do not understand this consept and/or any understanding is overwhelmed by competition within the group.

At least theoreticaly I would say that sustanability as a group enforced social standard is at least posible.

But...

I would have to agree that it is unlikely that the human race will endorce this at least in the forseable future.


I supose after a colapse or two you might see some progress in that direction.

RH

[opihimoimoi]

50. I just hope its not too late.....The Implosion is not too late to stop

But the window is closing extra fast....

[Realityhack]

49. Re-reading your post

I also want to add that I don't think we have "overcome the inevitable backlash" we have pushed it off somewhat but that could just make it bigger when it hits.

RH

[opihimoimoi]

52. postponing the "inevitable?"

could very well be.....

[htuttle]

6. Klaatu says, "Stay at home, Earthlings!"

[opihimoimoi]

20. If we stay at Home, we will eventually die off....the Sun can last for

only so long....

But, unless we reach the Sustainable Level, we Humans won't have much longer to wait...

The Overconsumption will prevent future generations from a good life and instead only misery/death/extinction

[WillyT]

74. "...the Sun can last for only so long...." LOL !!!

Well, yeah... about 4 to 5 billion more years. But that just goes to your point. I doubt that 4 to 5 billion years from now there will be anything left on Earth of the Human Race. Those that figured out a place to go, and a way to get there, may be a different story.

But... I'm doubting that those Humans would be recognizable by we primitives of today.

Course... I could be wrong about all that!

:hi::shrug::hi:

[tom_paine]

7. The Busheviks prove it. As we pass the point of no Return on human

extinction while refighting WWII (with Bushmerica playing the Germans)

it is clear that it doesn't matter.

Whether we are ultimately fit nor unfit as a species, we aren't getting there.

Currently, we are too busy drowning in our own feces and re-debating the merits of Totalitarianism.

[opihimoimoi]

22. I concur big time... only a tiny window exists ...

rapidly getting smaller.

[Monte Carlo]

8. Hey, humanity has had its problems...

... but we've also come a long, long way from prehistorical mankind. We're not free of our violent past yet, but we are working on it.

[opihimoimoi]

23. not soon enough, we are hampered by old thinking...old

ways of governance

[CrispyQ]

40. I don't see that. (in response to #8)

Six dead in Florida over a game. Tens of thousands dead in Iraq for someone's ego.

We've barely crawled out of the cave. A few really smart people have provided the masses with more technical sticks & stones, that's all.

As we continue to over populate & resources become more & more scarce, IT'S GONNA GET UGLY DOWN HERE! I see us spiraling downward to the lowest common denominator, which I suspect is pretty damned low!

[tom_paine]

51. Afraid you are correct. But maybe it will be like the Jetsons

Even the bums will have jet-packs!

:silly: :crazy: :silly: :crazy:

[opihimoimoi]

56. Troglodytes no less,,,,, we are so Instinctive, so Emotional, that Logic

escapes us.

Mathematics; Nature teaches us Math and yet we reject....arrogantly thinking we know better than HER, Mother Nature.

The answer we seek lies in the direction of Odds and Ratios...

Right now, Bush is poor Odds. Look at all his programs, a very poor success ratio indeed, and yet 45% of the voters think this guy is GOOD?

Gimme a break/ he goes against the odds which makes him a very POOR BET.

[OnionPatch]

9. I voted weed

but I'm still for colonization......if we can send all the righties to outer space, we could finally begin to fix things here! Think what wonderful things we could do here on Earth without them standing in the way!

[opihimoimoi]

24. We are a Weedesque Species as of now...small op remains

for change....

will we do it in time?

[Minstrel Boy]

10. Ever heard of the Malmstrom AFB incident in 1967?

First learned of it in Richard Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State. As Spock would say, fascinating.

This is from the account of Robert Salas who was the Deputy Missile Combat Crew Commander below ground, during the morning hours of 16 March 1967:

...

A few minutes later, the security NCO called again. This time he was clearly frightened and was shouting his words:

"Sir, there's one hovering outside the front gate!"

"One what?"

"A UFO! It's just sitting there. We're all just looking at it. What do you want us to do?"

...

"Sir, I have to go now, one of the guys just got injured."

Before I could ask about the injury, he was off the line. I immediately went over to my commander, Lt. Fred Meiwald, who was on a scheduled sleep period. I woke him and began to brief him about the phone calls and what was going on topside. In the middle of this conversation, we both heard the first alarm klaxon resound through the confined space of the capsule, and both immediately looked over at the panel of annunciator lights at the Commander's station. A 'No-Go' light and two red security lights were lit indicating problems at one of our missile sites. Fred jumped up to query the system to determine the cause of the problem. Before he could do so, another alarm went off at another site, then another and another simultaneously. Within the next few seconds, we had lost six to eight missiles to a 'No-Go' (inoperable) condition.

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/malmstrom/malm1.htm

Weeds.

[opihimoimoi]

29. Humans have great need to get 3 things under control real quick

1. Global warming

2. Sustainability

3. Astroid detection/deflect programs.

our real enemies...not our selves..we are wasting precious resources fighting ourselves rejecting the real options that would solve/enrich Humanity.... goes against Logic and Common Good.

[Zorra]

11. Bu$h is the "leader of the free world".

Bu$h administration motto: "Earth First! We'll destroy the other planets later"

[opihimoimoi]

25. Classical Ego Mode... this gives credence to the weed concept.

[wuushew]

15. I'm all for colonizing space because it would piss off the fundies

as a hedge against Rapture.

[opihimoimoi]

26. Me too, if we can save enough energy to get there....

[LiberalPersona]

19. Yes

A species that is incapable of making internal peace is not fit to expand outside its home planet. If life were found outside the planet, the first thought of many people would be: "How can I profit from this and what benefits will come from exploiting this life?"

[opihimoimoi]

27. The Classic MEism...whats in it for ME

What about our children...and beyond? If we gift our children, we gift ourselves.

[Nadienne]

21. What if we're not even indigenous to earth?

[opihimoimoi]

28. Doesn't matter, its the status quo we discussing...are we or are we

not fit for colonizing space?

[stickdog]

32. Humans From Earth

We come from a blue planet light-years away
Where everything multiplies at an amazing rate
We're out here in the universe buying real estate
Hope we haven't gotten here too late

We're humans from earth
We're humans from earth
You have nothing at all to fear
I think we're gonna like it here

We're looking for a planet with atmosphere
Where the air is fresh and the water clear
With lots of sun like you have here
Three or four hundred days a year

We're humans from earth
We're humans from earth
You have nothing at all to fear
I think we're gonna like it here

We bought Manhattan for a string of beads
Brought along some gadgets for y'all to see
Heres a crazy little thing we call TV
Do you have electricity?

We're humans from earth
We're humans from earth
You have nothing at all to fear
I think we're gonna like it here

I know we may seem pretty strange to you
But we got know-how and a golden rule
We're here to see manifest destiny through
and there ain't nothing we can't get used to

We're humans from earth
We're humans from earth
You have nothing at all to fear
I think we're gonna like it here

T-Bone Burnett

Audio snippette:

http://store.artistdirect.com/music/stream/player/wmv/0,,1067020-2909003,00.html

[AngryAmish]

34. We better go

I am really depressed by the fact that we really haven't gone anywhere and won't get far in my lifetime. Will man get to Mars in my lifetime, I hope so. Are we fit to populate the galaxy, a la Foundation? Sure we are.

[stickdog]

35. Why do you hate humanity so?

We are nothing more than microbial starships anyway.

[opihimoimoi]

46. in a Petri Dish no less. We are being judged to see if we are worthy of

interGalatic propagation and colonization...by the advanced ETs out there.

We Humans are in stage 2 of 10 stages...far immature to be called ready for PRIME TIME....

[blindpig]

37. considering the lousy job we've done on this planet

I suspect that the galaxy would overwhelmingly approve of the Vogon Demolition Fleet.
As a species that has singlehandedly perpetrated the Fourth Planetary Extinction I don't think we'd be welcomed.

[opihimoimoi]

43. ET WEED Prevention Squad would to take one look and begin "Spraying"

LOL.

[Beacho]

39. We're the 'Alabama of Space'

Galactic travellers are told, "Don't even stop for gas!".

[opihimoimoi]

44. Yup.

[Deja Q]

53. We are raised to be wasteful consumers... and

The first generation taught how to be responsible will be the hardest to do.

Indeed, look at the hippies. Who did they turn into? The Reagan yuppies. x(

We never born to be this way.

Other animals don't have money and many animal species are SOCIALIST by their very nature, particularly prey species.

If humanity had a bigger threat against it, maybe people would give up this current joke of a "society" and grow the fuck up.

[opihimoimoi]

54. The Threats lie in the direction of Global Warming and Overpopulation

How to solve will solve for Sustainability at the same time...

[Tyler Durden]

55. Klaatu Barada Nikto

Where are the Galactic Cops when we need them?

[opihimoimoi]

58. It appears Moot, we prolly self extinct before they come...

only to learn of our folly and misguided leadership....like anthropologists studying Neanderthals wondering what caused their disappearance.....

[Cleita]

60. I was born just before WWII broke out and I remember

a little about the later years of the war and the post war period when I grew up. I really thought that we would be a utopia by now. When the war was over, there was never supposed to be another war. We were going to explore space and make newer and better scientific discoveries, but the dream didn't happen.

But it could have been. We have enough scientific knowledge to make this world better, not only for our species, but all species. Instead we have systematically allowed a few mean old men pursue the same old agenda of war for profit, war for religion and war for war's sake.

I don't think we have achieved our potential as a species and if there are gods out there who can change this, I am sure we are headed for extinction soon. We didn't pass the test.

[SmileyBoy]

62. I kind of agree, but here's the thing:

Out technological progress has greatly outpaced our social progress, and that is a VERY dangerous thing. I think that in order for human evolution and progress at take place, technological and social progress needs to increase at a more-or-less equal pace. It's very dangerous when humans are on earth with top-notch, state-of-the-art nuclear and biological weapons, but still (in a primitive state of mind) view many other countries and ethnic groups as subhuman enemies.

That is the most dangerous thing. Technological progress is not the problem. It's our extensively retarded social evolution.

[Cleita]

65. I think this is what I was kinda getting at that.

We have the tools to make our social evolution lasting and meaningful and yet we have let a few fuckhead use the science for destructive, not constructive purposes. It's not like we don't have the social blueprint either. We do. What the hell is wrong with us?

[opihimoimoi]

66. Cleita: The advances made in the technical feild, in mechanics, etc

far supposed to be a boone to mankind. Unfortunately, our Social skills have not kept up and we are trapped in an old mind set...Instinctive and emotional....this prevents Logic and Reason to take hold....

[slackmaster]

61. Mis-read the subject

I thought it was about Sean Hannity.

[opihimoimoi]

67. The Human WEED??? LOL

[wuushew]

70. Sean Hannity has already polluted 1436 cubic light years of space

His WABC show started Christmas 1996, therefore any of the following near Earth star systems have tainted.



Proxima Centauri (in Centaurus) 4.2 light years
Alpha Centauri A and B (in Centaurus) 4.3 light years
Barnard's Star (in Ophiuchus) 6.0 light years
Wolf 359 (in Leo) 7.7 light years


total affected volume = 4*pi*r^3 / 3

[Baltimoreboy]

63. I misread this, I swear

I thought it said, "Is UNFIT for Colonizing the Galaxy???"

I thought, well, duh...

[Liberal_Dog]

64. Right Now We're A Weed

But I still have hope.

[opihimoimoi]

68. Slim hope is whot we got left....

[Swamp Rat]

69. Ha! What kind of weed?

:smoke:

We're not the only "galatic weed." The alien lizards that occupy the White House are in extreme competition to grab the Earth's resources ASAP. They'll leave when they suck us dry. Maybe this will become one of many "prison planets" in this sector.

[opihimoimoi]

72. They will come to harvest us...make jerky or somethin

use us for trail mix.....whatever......

The ETs are waiting for the right moment

[Tight_rope]

71. We have "FUCKED" up earth already...We don't need fuckup the Galaxy too!

[opihimoimoi]

73. Hence the weed thingy....will we be a weed or a seed?

That is to say, IF, we ever get off this planet and attempt inter stellar projects....ala star trek....