Another chickenhawk attack on John Kerry (Ben Shapiro)

[bluestateguy]

John Kerry served in Vietnam.

And I couldn't care less.

I was born in 1984, over eight years after the end of the Vietnam War. The fact that John Kerry served in the Navy on a swift boat for four months means little to me, beyond the fact that I'm grateful for the service of any veteran -- even if that service was clearly an excuse to bulk up a resume.

John Kerry was anti-war before he ever set foot in Vietnam, so the idea that he became pacifistic only after seeing the horrors of war is baloney. In 1966, two years before Kerry entered the Gulf of Tonkin, he told his graduating class at Yale that "The United States must, I think, bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world."

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/bs20040804.shtml

I am really losing my patience with these people. This young man, Ben Shapiro, is 21 years old and apparently has no plans to enlist, yet he feels perfectly comfortable calling for multiple preemptive wars.

[Richardo]

1. ...and why do we give a shit what this little weasel thinks?

Who the f*ck is 'Ben Shapiro'?

[Canuckistanian]

15. Go read World O' Crap Blog to find out about this little piss ant

He's hailed by the conservative establishment (snort!) as the next William F. Buckley.

To me he's the non-thinking man's Bill O'Reilly.

[bluestateguy]

16. Bill Buckely is a brilliant man

If he's the next Bill Buckley, the conservative movement is in deep trouble.

[Canuckistanian]

20. My point exactly

The RW is so screwed these days, this idiot is considered eloquent.

[johnfunk]

23. Buckley? O'Reilly? He's more like...

... the Justin Timberlake of Cro-Mag conservatism...

[johnfunk]

22. Hey, buddy, watch what you say...

... 'cause if I were in fact a small weasel I would be insulted at being compared to that diminutive specimen of amphibian feces, Master Ben Shapiro...

[Parche]

2. young uneducated creep

that is what he sounds like
I wasnt born during WWII but I sure as hell
respect them and know what they did, and study it.

[RobertSeattle]

3. 10 Bucks says this PUNK has a poster of Rush Limbaugh above his bed...

(In his parent's house of course)

Feel free to send Ben an elistment form:

http://www.dior.whs.mil/forms/DD0004.PDF

[AFSCME girl]

4. .........bulk up a resume?!

hey, kid, SHOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[HawkerHurricane]

11. Oh, yeah...

we all know that RISKING YOUR LIFE BY BEING SHOT AT is a wonderful way to get better jobs...

[AFSCME girl]

25. Exactly..........

I'm sure that's what he was thinking as he was scooping people up off the bottom of the Mai Cong (sp) delta! This kid couldn't have lasted five seconds in Kerry's shoes!

[mindfulNJ]

5. Absolutely nauseating.

:puke:

Hey Ben...hows about marching your smart little ass down to the enlistment office?

[JohnKleeb]

6. I want to see Private Sharpiro though

:cry: Enlist Ben come on, oh and he is right, Kerry did oppose Vietnam before he enlisted but you know what, he enlisted anyway despite coming from a well to do family and opposing the war, and Benny, that is a brave thing to do and you should know that. Kerry didnt enlist to bulk up his resume, he enlisted because he believed in the values of his personal hero, John F Kennedy.

[geek tragedy]

7. THIS is who Ben Shapiro is

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/bs20020725.shtml

<snip>
Enemy 'civilian casualties' ok by me

I am getting really sick of people who whine about "civilian casualties." Maybe I'm a hard-hearted guy, but when I see in the newspapers that civilians in Afghanistan or the West Bank were killed by American or Israeli troops, I don't really care.
<snip>

<snip>
The New York Times and other news services call both Afghan "non-combatants" and American "non-combatants" civilians. This is disingenuous. American civilians are people who go about their daily lives without providing cover for terrorists or giving them money. Afghan civilians are not.

Take, for example, the "wedding party" in Afghanistan that made front-page news after being strafed by American warplanes. The American pilots claimed that they came under fire from the wedding party. The Afghan interim government claimed that 48 civilians were killed in the attack and that the Americans had never come under fire. Perhaps, they suggested, the pilots were confused by Afghans firing their guns in the air in celebration.

Whom do you believe? The American pilots, who say they were fired upon and respected the rules of engagement? Or the Afghan "civilians," who claim that American pilots were bored and decided to have target practice with women, children and goats?

I believe the Americans. The Afghans tolerated and supported the Taliban for years, no matter what President Bush says. A group doesn't conquer 95 percent of a country unless it has some support among the populace. The Afghans are fundamentalist Muslims. They didn't seem to mind too much that their women were treated like dogs or that the Taliban enforced Shariah (Muslim law). So frankly, it doesn't matter to me if some of their "civilians" get killed for involvement with the enemy.
<snip>

Fascist twerp.

[Richardo]

8. He's one of Ann Coulter's spores!

That explains it...

[Literate Tar Heel]

10. that is horrendous

one can only hope that this is an example of a young person with no real knowledge of world affairs spouting off and trying to be noticed by being as outrageous as possible, and that 10 or 15 years from now he will be profoundly embarrassed to have written these words ... of course, with the internet saving everything we say these days, it won't be that easy for him to get away from them ... oh well, that's his problem

[Canuckistanian]

17. "The Afghans tolerated and supported the Taliban for years"

Yeah, right, just like the French tolerated and supported the Nazis, who occupied 95% of France.

[johnfunk]

24. BS -- his initials say it all...

... and his creepy, proto-fascistic screeds do no credit to conservatives -- but then, what does these days?

[Old and In the Way]

9. Bun, if you truely believed in the Bush cause-

you'd be leading by example. They need you in Iraq, Ben. Do the right thing.....sign up to support your pResident.

[Robbien]

12. Stop reading townhall if that RW rag causes you to lose patience

Only the real hard core right pays attention to them anyway.

[johnfunk]

26. "Townhall"? Im these parts, we refer to it...

as CLOWNHALL!

[xchrom]

13. bwahahahhaha! oh man

that kid is the original pin head!
what a loser....:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[burythehatchet]

14. my e-mail to gentle ben

Dear Twerp, you are an excellent example of why abortion must remain legal.

[merh]

18. My email to little Ben!

To: Ben Shapiro
Subject: So when are you enlisting?

Your resume could use some "bulking up" and you could use the life experience to gather some actual information about the issues you try to write about. You barely have been growing hair, yet you are older than many who have died in your idol's insane war. You owe it to the nation to fight for the war that you believe is justified. You owe it to the soldiers and you owe it to yourself.

Put your life where your mouth is. Sign up to fight with our beloved soldiers, then if you come back, if you survive, you can write to your heart's content about war and service records. Maybe then someone will take you serious.

[johnfunk]

27. Let's mail him an enlistment form -- so Master Ben can prove his manhood

Lord knows, he needs some "bulking up."

[arbusto_baboso]

19. Sure service is resume padding..

And am I ever glad that I got to kill people and nearly get killed myself in 2 unnecessary wars, just so I could pave the way for my fabulous career in social services where I make literally tens of thousands of dollars a year!

The little prick just doesn't get how the real world works for most of us. But then, most adult repugs don't either.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

21. Completely disingenuous of him

Here are some quotes I found particularly disgusting:

"even if that service was clearly an excuse to bulk up a resume."

Well what a nice little backhanded thank you if I ever heard it. My question here is, what the hell makes this guy think Kerry joined the Navy to bulk up his resume? Kerry didn't HAVE to check "volunteer for overseas duty" or whatever it was he checked that he didn't have to, he WANTED TO.

'John Kerry was anti-war before he ever set foot in Vietnam, so the idea that he became pacifistic only after seeing the horrors of war is baloney. In 1966, two years before Kerry entered the Gulf of Tonkin, he told his graduating class at Yale that "The United States must, I think, bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world."'

Sorry but that quote does NOT make you anti-war. It makes you a person with an opinion about HOW wars are waged. It's simply a geopolitical opinion on the policy of intervention as it was applied in Western Europe. And by the way, I totally agree with that statement.

[delete_bush]

28. It gets worse...he's written a book...

Seems the little chick-hawk is a David Horowitz in training. Review of his book "Brainwashed : How Universities Indoctrinate America's Youth" on Amazon...

"When parents send their children off to college, mom and dad hope they'll return more cultivated, knowledgeable, and astute--able to see issues from all points of view. But, according to Ben Shapiro, there's only one view allowed on most college campuses: a rabid brand of liberalism that must be swallowed hook, line, and sinker. In this explosive book, Ben Shapiro, a college student himself, reveals how America's university system is one of the largest brainwashing machines on the planet. Examining this nationwide problem from firsthand experience, Shapiro shows how the leftists who dominate the universities--from the administration to the student government, from the professors to the student media--use their power to mold impressionable minds. Fresh and bitterly funny, this book proves that the universities, far from being a place for open discussion, are really dungeons of the mind that indoctrinate students to become socialists, atheists, race-baiters, and narcissists."

[gumby]

29. something I wrote when I heard this slug on the radio

Benjamin Shapiro provided an excellent study in why political discussion in this country is at an impasse.

As several callers pointed out, Shapiro presented no evidence for his assertion about liberal bias on college campuses. Mr. Shapiro isn't about debate, he's about technique. One of the most successful techniques the right-wing has employed, like "liberal media," in order to mainstream right-wing extremism is the "both sides" canard.

The "both sides" argument frames the world into us vs. them. Shapiro claimed, several times, that the "key" to liberal bias is "moral relativism" as opposed to the conservative view of "moral absolutes." After splitting the world into "either you’re with us or against us," Shapiro claimed a Devine sanction for his "side." (Make NO mistake; the moral absolutists display just as much "moral relativism" as any other mortal.)

Shapiro went on to explain that even though he had become studied in the divinely sanctioned way, his mission was to "save" the un-initiated students who don't pay attention to the dreaded liberal bias. This is the hero myth gone berserk as political fundamentalism and is some really warped stuff.

What Shapiro offers is not an argument; it is cult-speak. Try this quote out:

The idea of Judeo-Christian morality absent physical force to protect it is terribly naive; every person who believes in Judeo-Christian morality must be prepared to defend it. It was true for the Jews in Warsaw in 1943, it is true for Jews fighting terrorists in Israel, and it is true for Americans fighting Islamofascism around the world. …….God knows that certain values must be preserved by force of arms. That principle - a strong arm in the defense of morality - is the foundation of both the state of Israel and of the United States.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38164

The twenty year old Shapiro is a Holy Warrior. His "enemies" are not only "Islamofascists," his enemies are "liberals." The "both sides" argument is simply a weapon in his arsenal that is just as useful as playing the conservative victim.

Shapiro doesn’t need to make any rational, logical arguments; which he completely failed to do because he is a Holy War cultist. All Shapiro needs to do is play the conservative victim maligned by the dreaded liberals to sell books and get his cult-speak on the radio.

The "other side" to Shapiro’s non-argument is not a challenge about liberal biases on college campuses, because that's not what he is really talking about at all. What Shapiro is really arguing for is a political obedience that reflects his own image enforced upon the entire world. Shapiro’s argument is not about liberal bias, it is about enforcing a totalitarian world view.
http://www.portalwisconsin.org/forum/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=1101&Topic=2681