Conason: "Somebody owes Howard Dean an apology."

[madfloridian]

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17417

"Dean sees red over code orange
Doubts about latest terror alert seem justified -- is Bush using Department of Homeland Security as 'trump card'?"

SNIP..."Somebody owes Howard Dean an apology.

"Over the past few days, the former Vermont governor and Democratic Presidential candidate has endured a barrage of bad press and nasty commentary, simply because he expressed honest doubts about the government’s latest terror alarm. Republican pundits and politicians predictably denounced him. Senator John Kerry disowned Dr. Dean’s remarks, and Senator Joe Lieberman went further, suggesting that anyone who harbors such doubts must not be “in their right mind.” END SNIP

[truthspeaker]

1. Remember the last time Lieberman slammed Dean's remarks?

When Dean said the world was not safer with Saddam in custody, Lieberman read him the riot act.

Dean was right then and he's right now. Shut up, Joe, before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

[Reciprocity]

10. I loathe Lieberman.

You know if it came between voting for Lieberman or a Republican I'd vote for the Republican that's how much I hate this traitor.

[drbtg1]

19. ...umm, those were the shoes I was in back in 2000

The republican who ran against Lieberman in 2000, Philip Giordano, was a guy then-republican Gov. Rowland (himself under grand jury investigation) said publically shouldn't be running against Lieberman and just concentrate on being mayor of Waterbury. Well, shortly after he lost the election, Giordano was put away for child molesting. Sick, sick little shit.

Makes me think Rowland knew something.

In Connecticut, we know there are worse things than "Joe-mentum".

[Larkspur]

23. Right now in 2006, when Lieberman runs for re-election

I plan on writing in "Rachel Corrie" and sending Lieberman this picture

[Eloriel]

12. That would be impossible, Lieberman making a bigger fool of

himself. He's at rock bottom. The only thing that could make the picture complete is if he'd let go of the D behind his name. Of course he's not quite as bad as Zell Miller, but he's right down there next to him.

[Minstrel Boy]

2. So many people do, it would be funny

if it didn't break my heart.

[madfloridian]

3. This is especially touching because Conason doesn't even like Dean.

:hi:

[madfloridian]

4. Even O'Reilly changed his tune a little.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408030006

SNIP..."However, unlike Hannity and the FOX & Friends crew, O'Reilly realized later in the program that he "may have been a little unfair" to Dean by not providing the full context of his comments. After reading Dean's full statement on the air, O'Reilly said, "All right, so it wasn't as cut and dried as I said and I -- I'm sorry. We want to be accurate here and we want to even be fair to the likes of Howard Dean, because if we're not fair, then we lose credibility, and we don't want to do that."

Well, not really changed, but backtracked a little.

[Rose Siding]

5. "...we want to be fair even to the LIKES OF HOWARD DEAN"?

O'Weeny is a piece of work.

[madfloridian]

6. You noticed that, too. LOL

Wasn't that cute?

[dave29]

29. back-handed fair and balanced

O'Reilly is in a league of his own

[moosedog]

7. My opinion....

I lost respect at the way Kerry cow-towed to the press about not agreeing with Dean on the way we are being deceived by this bunch that took over our country. I just hope that Teresa will speak up for him, if he does get elected, and help us get our freedom back. Getting us used to Marshal Law is not a good sign that we are free.

[WilliamPitt]

9. fyi, it's 'Martial Law'

[LuminousX]

21. and 'kow-tow'

[TeacherCreature]

25. I agree

[milkyway]

8. Sorry, O'Really, you're credibility caught the bus out of town a long time

ago, and it ain't comin' back.

[skygazer]

30. "lose credibility"?

I thought you had to have something in order to lose it.....

[mzmolly]

11. Yes it is! We should also start notifying the media about the following:

snip from the article:

The New Republic reported that Bush administration officials have been demanding that Pakistan apprehend “high-value” terrorist suspects before November.

[Vanje]

NPR covered this story on today's Morning Edition

"The New Republic reported that Bush administration officials have been demanding that Pakistan apprehend “high-value” terrorist suspects before November."

[mzmolly]

42. Right on NPR!

Welcome Sheeptramp! :hi:

[madfloridian]

13. Here is the link to the TNR article referred to by Conason.

I am pretty sure it is the one. I have a subscription, and I would recommend one just to read the whole article.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040719&s=aaj071904
SNIP... "The Musharraf government has a history of rescuing the Bush administration. They now want Musharraf to bail them out when they are facing hard times in the coming elections." (These sources insisted on remaining anonymous. Under Pakistan's Official Secrets Act, an official leaking information to the press can be imprisoned for up to ten years.)

Here is a very strong paragraph:

SNIP..."Pakistani perceptions of U.S. politics reinforce these worries.

"In Pakistan, there has been a folk belief that, whenever there's a Republican administration in office, relations with Pakistan have been very good," says Khalid Hasan, a U.S. correspondent for the Lahore-based Daily Times. By contrast, there's also a "folk belief that the Democrats are always pro-India." Recent history has validated those beliefs. The Clinton administration inherited close ties to Pakistan, forged a decade earlier in collaboration against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. But, by the time Clinton left office, the United States had tilted toward India, and Pakistan was under U.S. sanctions for its nuclear activities. All this has given Musharraf reason not just to respond to pressure from Bush, but to feel invested in him--and to worry that Kerry, who called the Khan affair a "disaster," and who has proposed tough new curbs on nuclear proliferation, would adopt an icier line. .."

[blm]

14. Kerry did NOT disown Dean's remarks. He said Deam is entitled

to his opinion and specifically would NOT censor him or stop using him as a spokesman for the campaign as the media is trying to force upon him.

[madfloridian]

16. Conason said that, not me. I did not say that.

I just posted Conason's article. I do think other Democrats should back him up, though.

[blm]

20. I know it wasn't your words. Conason heard too many media reports

that Kerry was distancing himself from Dean, when the truth was he was NOT and WOULD not when the mediawhores were trying to get him to do so.

Usually Conason gets those facts straight, but here he relied too much on media perception. He should have gone straight to the Kerry camp.

[janx]

17. That's true, and I loved it!

Pure CLASS.

[TeacherCreature]

24. Yes, but Dean was right and Kerry was wrong

Kerry really should have said he didn't have enough information or something. He keeps disagreeing with Dean and he keeps getting it wrong.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

26. Kerry wrong about Dean being entitled to his opinion?

Or was he wrong about not censoring Dean?

Or was he wrong about continuing to use Dean as a spokesman?


Just what was it that he was wrong about?

[blm]

31. First of all, Dean himself said there was some truth and some politics in

the alert. Dean never said that there was NO truth at all to the report. The media is playing it as if he did.

Kerry is being cautious and smart which is part of his JOB right now. And he's NOT dumping on his spokespeople while remaining strategic himself.

I think you better check your knees because the jerking might become painful.

[mzmolly]

44. Honestly TC, I think Kerry and Dean have an agreement.

;) *wink wink nudge nudge*

I am certain Kerry has encouraged Dean to be the attack dog he is, while Kerry remains above it all - seemingly so anyhoo.

[kaitykaity]

15. Just call Howard a prophet.

I love the way this is working. :evilgrin:

41. the problem with that

is that a prophet is never honored in his own land.

I'd like to see Dean honored.:)

[kaitykaity]

45. I think the undying love and gratitude of Deaniacs

everywhere is all the honor he (personally) needs. I don't
think he has the type of ego that needs offical stroking.
I think it's enough for him that he has us.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

18. Thank God we have a Howard Dean.

[Larkspur]

22. and thank Goddess for Dean as well

I'm Pagan and I vote.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

27. Hey, I'm godless, and my grammar is lazy.

[mandyky]

28. I got really POed at Gov. Pataki (NY)

when he said Gov. Dean was a disgrace for saying such a thing! I hope my native state of NY kicks that bum out along with shrub.

[trogdor]

33. Don't worry. He's not running again.

I don't think so, anyway. He has other ambitions, like running for HRC's Senate seat. If you don't think Hillary's a soft target, you're not a real Republican. We'll have an opportunity to spank his ass then.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

32. LIEberman is scum!!!

He owes ALL of us an apology!

[Generator]

34. Yeah for this piece!

It really burns my buns when the automatic reaction to anyone that dares to question authority "ah the mighty King George" is to call him insane.

Well, if you think the Republicans are honest and don't use fear, you aren't insane but you are stupid and a fool.

The Dems have stopped being fools because of Howard Dean. Thank you again!

[Joanne98]

35. Here's Lieberman's addy

http://congress.org/congressorg/mail/compose/?opt-out=0&target=NS&state=CT&qstate=CT&id=688&mailid.1=6131371&client_id.1=congressorg&mailid.2=6115441&client_id.2=congressorg&mailid.3=6035276&client_id.3=congressorg&mailid.4=6016411&client_id.4=congressorg&mailid.5=5036171&client_id.5=congressorg&mailid.6=2811731&client_id.6=congressorg&select_message=7&mailid.7=custom&client_id.7=congressorg

If you want to express your displeasure.

[NewJeffCT]

37. Or try this one

I did get a response from him before when I urged he not back the gay marriage ban amendment. (He did not back it)

http://lieberman.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm

But, I did not get a response another time when I asked him when he was signing up for the Republican Party...

[midnight armadillo]

36. Dean wears asbestos clothing

Wow, can that guy take a lot of heat without flinching. I like him more with each passing speech and statement.

[Swamp Rat]

38. A LOT of people owe Dean apologies... don't hold your breath.

[Joe Fields]

39. A lot of people owe Howard Dean an apology.

It's about time someone started talking about the elephant in the room, instead of pretending it doesn't exist. I must say that I haven't been a big fan of Dean, but he has spoken the plain truth, and there is plenty of evidence to back his statements up. Unfortunately, he is not only attacked by the repubs and the media for his remarks, but he has been attacked by members of the democratic "leadership."

I believe if someone is audacious enough to pull the shit that Bushco has pulled, then by God, someone should be out there speaking the unadulterated truth about it.

[lunarboy13]

40. I owe Dean one, too...

I must admit that I heard Dean's comments live and while a big part of me was glad someone was saying on National TV what I felt to be true, I was very anxious about how those statements would play out to a national audience. At the time, I didn't know anything more than what the administration was putting out. I was very nervous and was glad that Kerry stayed quiet on the issue.

Reports that he "distanced" himself from Dean are exaggerated somewhat. Dean is taking lumps FOR Kerry. Kerry needed someone to put this message out without being slammed from each side for being weak on terrorism. This is an issue that Kerry has been trailing Bush in, and one he really needs to overtake -- and lately he's gained ground. It's not just Kerry-loving Democrats who will vote in this election. He has to convince people on the fence and a few people from the other side that he can do the job we already know he can do. When Dean put out this message, he took some immediate abuse, but the smokescreen created by repukes is beginning to disperse. Dean's message will begin to resonate with the voters and dumbya will lose yet another campaign issue to Kerry.

So, for my initial reaction to your comments, I apologize to you, Howard Dean.

[madfloridian]

43. Now with all the idiotic stupid alerts out today, the new ones....

he will be forced to backtrack, I fear. And no one else is saying a word. They are destroying our country's peace of mind with this terror crap. They are manipulating us, and fewer and fewer are even believing it.

God, I hope others open their mouths and yell!