Bad Intel?

[dennis4868]

I keep hearing the likes of Hannity and other repub/media whores saying that Bush did not lie, but instead got "bad" intel.

NOTHING CAN BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!

Plain and simple, Bush lied and exxagerated the threat we were facing from Saddam.

As you all may know, the WH relied very much on the so-called National Intelligence Estimate ("NIE") to make their case for war in addition to the WH's private meetings with members of congress.

The fact of the matter is that the NIE did hype the threat of Saddam but Bush and his thugs made statements to the american people and to congress that went above and beyond what was in any NIE (and not supported by any other intelligence agency).

Now, it is quite obvious that the WH pressured the CIA to come up with the "evidence" in the NIE to show that Saddam was a threat to our country. The democrats on the Select Committee for Intelligence stated that members of the CIA told them they felt "pressured" to give Cheney and the WH what they wanted....a case for war with Iraq. There has been plenty of news reports of CIA agents saying they felt pressured with all those trips Cheney kept making to the CIA. Plus, Cheney and the rest of the PNACers set up a "bad" intel shop in the Pentagon called the Office of Special Plans (and the WHIG in the WH)that was used to hype the "evidence" by using people like Chalabi for their information. So when someone says that Bush got bad intelligence from the CIA.....THAT IS BULLSHIT!

On top of this, Bush and his thugs in the administration hyped the hype that was in the NIE. They said many things to the american people and to members of congress in private meetings that were not in any NIE or supported by any other intelligence agency....many times they said things to the people and congress that were in direct conflict of all the evidence. The following are examples:

1. Saddam is 6 months away from having a nuclear weapon (Bush said this in September 2002 and other times as well);

2. MASSIVE stockpile of biological weapons;

3. Unmanned aerial vehicles that can carry WMD to the UNITED STATES....even the NIE said this was not true, AND THE AIR fORCE SAID IT WAS AN OUTRIGHT LIE.

4. Mushroom Cloud

5. Saddam wil use his WMD against the USA....The NIE disagreed...it said that Saddam would only use WMD, if he had any, against the USA, IF HE WAS ATTACKED BY THE USA!

6. Saddam will give his WMD to other terrorist groups...no NIE or intelligence agency suggested this!

7. Saddam/911/al Qaeda connection....as we all know (and the NIE/CIA agree) this was all bullshit!

So, my point is, when Bush was saying all of the abobe statements and there is nothing to support these statements (not even the CIA/NIE was telling Bush these things) then how in the hell can anyone say that Bush was misled by the CIA? Of course Bush was not miseled by the CIA.

In the end, The CIA hyped the evidence thanks to the WH and Pentagon, and then Bush lied and hyped what was already hyped so that he could get his fucking war!

MY QUESTION IS, WHY CAN'T A DEM EXPLAIN THIS ON ONE OF THE CABLE TV SHOWS WHEN THEY ARE TOLD THAT BUSH DID NOT LIE BUT INSTEAD WAS GIVEN BAD INTEL? All I hear is a dem saying Bush lied, the repub media whore says no he did not because the intelligence report says that the CIA is at fault and bush is in the clear. The dem on the show does not articulate the fcats as I have outlined above....and they look silly by not substantively backing up their statement that Bush did lie us into war.

Thanks

Dennis

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. Did you see Dean

interviewed by Hannity at the convention?

I think I saw it here on DU.

Dean really socked it to Hannity on this 'bad intell' issue. And Hannity was pretty much speechless (well for him at least).

It rocked!!

:toast:

[dennis4868]

2. Did Dean....

fight back with substance other than saying Bush misled us? That is about the extent of the arguments you hear from Dems on TV these days regarding this issue. Did he bring up facts like Bush's lie about unmanned aerial vehicles, MASSIVE stockpile of Bio weapons, etc...again, none of this was supported by any evidence from the CIA or any other intelligence agency.....

[Bush was AWOL]

3. The only problem is they carefully planned out the sotua

address whereas to only imply these things, but never directly said any of them to my knowledge. If anyone can point out blatent lies in SOTU that would indicate Bush knowingly lied that would be great.

[dennis4868]

4. I can find instances....

where Bush lied in the SOTU but I will first have to review it...remember it was not simply the 16 words that were lies, there were a whole bunch of other statements that Bush made regarding the so-called threat from Iraq.

Also, remember that the SOTU is not the only time Bush and his thugs made statements about the Iraqi threat...Bush and Cheney and the other war criminal were all over the place making misleading statements and outright lies...many times they would say, "we know," or "it is a fact that...." when the evidence was not so clear. Bush and CHENEY IN PRIVATE MEETINGS WITH CONGRESS WERE LIEING ABOUT THE THREAT....it was not only the SOTU!

[Bush was AWOL]

6. It would nice to form a list of all their lies

that is not backed up by the Senate Intelligence and Butler report regarding the Iraq war.

[dennis4868]

7. That is what....

the second half of the senate select commitee for intelligence is supposed to do....but only after the election will the report come out...Bush's re-election campaign is much more imprtant than national security!

I will get you Waxman's website that has a great list...plus, check out the Carnegie Endownment for International Peace website and the Center for American Progress...these 2 organizations have lists of misleading statements and the lies of Bush and his thugs that were made pre-war.

[dennis4868]

8. Here is one example from....

Waxman's website:

Statement by President George W. Bush
"Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses, and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other planes -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known."

Source: President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003).

Explanation: This statement was misleading because it evoked the threat of Iraq providing terrorists who would attack the United States with weapons of mass destruction. According to the National Intelligence Estimate, the intelligence community had "low confidence" in that scenario, and Iraq appeared to be "drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks" against the United States for fear of providing cause for war. This statement also was misleading because by referencing the September 11 attacks in conjunction with discussion of the war on terror in Iraq, it left the impression that Iraq was connected to September 11. In fact, President Bush himself in September 2003 acknowledge that "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th."

here is the link to the site:

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/

[dennis4868]

5. By the way, Congressman....

Waxman has a website will all the pre war lies, it is a well put together site that is easy to navigate...it includes statements from the SOTU address...will surf over there right now to get some of Bush's outright lies in that speech....