Anybody But Kerry (in '08)--- unless...

[JSJ]

...he gets us out of Iraq within 6 months (or sooner) of assuming office, introduces legislation to rescind the Patriot Acts, and starts pumping real money into education. There's a lot more a real Liberal could do, but these actions have to be taken poste haste to save our nation and... in case he doesn't know it yet, to get himself re-elected.

But...let's do get him elected, first.

[Endangered Specie]

1. You realize that sorta stuff *NEVER* happens...

an incumbent never loses renomination, (except LBJ, which was voluntary, and it brought us Nixon)

[JSJ]

6. if that isn't a hint of irony i detect, let me remind you of Bush's...

...impending status as a one-termer.

[Endangered Specie]

8. Im talking about NOMINATION, not election.

Bush will get nominated.

[JSJ]

29. sorry, i misread n/t

[greenbriar]

2. god damn

what a boor


shit the man isn't even elected yet, we are on a democratic high and you want to get rid of him???


geez

[JSJ]

27. no, i'm willing to reserve judgement

But if he doesn't start acting like the majority of his supporters want him to after gaining office then I say off with his, too.

[onebigbadwulf]

3. On the bright side...

If he loses, you get Hillary.

If he wins, you get Edwards in 2012.

[area51]

31. If GW Hoover manages to steal the election again,

there may not be a country for Hillary or anyone to govern by '08.

[quinnox]

4. Kerry needs two terms (at least) to straighten

out the mess Bush has made, so I wouldn't expect everything corrected at once. It takes time.

[JSJ]

21. keeping the troops any longer than six months will...

...compound the problems and unnecessarily lead to more deaths in an already decimated Iraqi population. Not to slight the troops, their risk of death and injury increase with each additional day there.

[TexasSissy]

5. I think Iraq may take longer than 6 mos, realistically. We can't cut and

run. Hopefully Kerry will get some international help in there, freeing up some of our forces and preventing a draft. And will keep us out of war with Syria and Iran, which will be MOST helpful.

But Iraq is so bad off, I can't imagine at this point that we can leave in six months. Not ALL of our troops. It'll take one to three years to train an Iraqi police force and army, for one thing. And since it's our war, we'll have to stay, if we expect other countries to go there. We'd all be delighted if it could be done in 6 months, but I don't see how at this point.

Kerry won't rescind the Patriot Act. He voted for it. But he might get it amended. I think it has some provisions that Kerry didn't want. I'm not sure about that. But I think it'll be less likely to be abused under Kerry.

The education thing is doable, I should think.

[WilliamPitt]

7. pzzzzzcheeeeeezzzzz

[murielm99]

9. Be a little bit realistic.

Kerry will have to work with a repub congress, I am sure.

We may make some gains in November, but they are still going to be there, as obstructionist as ever.

It may take another two years to gain control of one house.

Look to Kerry's cabinet, his judicial appointments and his foreign policy for immediate changes. Look for some amendments to the Patriot Act, and maybe some positive changes in Homeland Security. He says he will enact some of the 9/11 Commission's ideas, too.

Did you listen to the former head of the joint chiefs tonight? Kerry will have to do something about the military that * has all but destroyed. The terrorists will undoubtedly test him, too.

Kerry will be left with a huge mess that could take more than two terms to unsnarl, if a repub congress even allows it.

Yes, let's get him elected first. Try to remember he is not God.

[JohnKleeb]

10. you almost got it right

He cant just get us out of Iraq, he'll get international support for the process and it will make the eventual pull out sooner than it would be under Bush, and safer too. The patriot act is gonna expire soon and Kerry has no plans to reinstate it.

[Catch22Dem]

11. Anybody but Kerry (in '08)--- unless...

I get a blow job right now...
waiting...
waiting...
waiting...

Ok, that's IT. Kerry's out!

Just about as ridiculous as the original post, dontcha think?

[JSJ]

12. no, considerably more ridiculous...but a tad funnier n/t

[Catch22Dem]

13. Ah come on!

It's late, I'm tired, and I made a blow job joke. Gimmie some love! ;)

[JSJ]

17. sorry, my friend, here's some 'love'...

That should be enough for everybody.

[Catch22Dem]

33. Ahhhhhh, my EYES, me EYES!!!!!!

Ewwwwwwwwww

[Selwynn]

14. It's all about congress. The most liberal president in history wouldn't..

...be able to do jack if republicans control both houses.

[Zorra]

15. Good point. But if we do get a Democratic Congress,

IMO, impending President Kerry needs to make every reasonable effort possible to get us out of Iraq.

Our nation needs to heal from the chaos and destruction of the past three and three-quarters years. There are severe domestic problems we are going to have to fix.

And , IMO, we can not be good for anyone else until we are good for ourselves.

This war is BS. If we allow the prevailing mentality that because Bu$h messed up Iraq it is our responsibility to fix it to override the problems we need to solve domestically, nothing will be able to be resolved.

We will be weak in every area.

[JSJ]

28. well, let's hope a new democratic congress will be dragged in...

...on Kerry's coattails.

[DieboldMustDie]

16. So if it takes a year to get us out of Iraq we should dump him?

:crazy:

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. First thing's first.

It's going to take longer than six months in Iraq. That's not Kerry's fault. Blame Bush.

Kerry/Edwards will have a real mess to clean up and who knows what kind of shit piles Bush will leave in the wake. In their desperate, hateful, and vindictive manner I shudder to consider what kinds of mines they will lay for a Kerry Administration.

I completely agree there's more the Liberal could do. But first thing's first. If we snap the rubber band too quickly, it will snap. I think Kerry recognizes this.

[kiahzero]

19. Right.

Do you have a plan for getting out of Iraq in less than six months? I'm dying to hear it.

Are you aware that most of the USA PATRIOT Act has little to do with the egregious portions that are regularly cited? Those portions (sneak and peek searches, etc) certainly need to go, but that doesn't require eliminating the whole damn thing.

Don't feel bad - you had an intelligent thought on number 3.

[JSJ]

20. first things first

And the first thing I'd do as CIC is fire all the brass at CentCom. Meyers, Sanchez, Kimmet, the whole kit and kaboodle of them. I would immediately replace them with de-mobilization experts. Then I would tell them to load all available ships, planes, sedans, bicycles, segues and any other means of transport with every division right on down to MPs, MI, and mercenaries, now there. Every last man-jack one of them. And once everybody is out I'd call Bush's puppet and say good luck. We're out of here. Bye-bye, ta-ta, and cheerio. But, I would leave with this one caveat; if you try to exploit the vacuum, some of us will be back to punish you severely. Do what you must; bring in al-Sadr, rally the Imams, hammer out a workable power-sharing scenario and we will help you as long as you need it. But, no longer will this be a military operation in any way shape or form. The days of the Bush Crime Family rule are over in Iraq and the Middle East. Adios.

[kiahzero]

22. So a variation on the:

"Pack it up and leave: fuck the Iraqis" plan. Is that your ideal of morality? "So long... sorry about trashing the place. Have fun cleaning it up!"

[JSJ]

23. that's absurd, kiahzero...

...I believe taking out the troops- the Iraqi's main tormenters; yes even compared to Saddam- would end the fucking of Iraqis. They are a resilient people, but much more of this occupation will break them entirely and really leave them prey to whatever bad fate may await once the US eventually decides to leave. And don't leave out the part of my post that calls for extending help- minus our military- so long as all germane parties are included in the make-up of whatever governance is agreed upon. It's got to be cheaper- in terms of lost lives and resources- than fighting a losing war where one is not wanted.

[JSJ]

24. 'vets for peace' demand immediate withdrawal from iraq

http://counterpunch.com/ferner07282004.html

"hat the next U.S. president announce, within 10 days of taking office, that he will withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq within 60 days, and that if this 10-day period following the inauguration passes without a publicly-announced decision to withdraw all troops from Iraq within 60 days, Veterans for Peace chapters around the nation will begin a campaign including, but not limited to, petitions calling for the impeachment of the president."

The resolution states, "The United States presence in Iraq is causing, not preventing, destabilization and violence. Veterans for Peace is committed to ending this immoral, unjust war of empire regardless of who wins the 2004 U.S. presidential election."

Concurring with that sentiment as he addressed the vets assembled at Emerson College, Ritter said, "Iraq is on fire. We are the fuel for that fire and we need to withdraw it."


Yes, this from people who've 'been there'. And they'd know better than some statesider, wouldn't they? -SJ

[K-W]

25. Yah, lets put another neocon nut in there, that should fix things fine

sheesh

[JSJ]

26. have more faith than that

Why shouldn't the Democratic Party be able to mobilize a true peace and prosperity movement in time for '08, should Kerry still have troops occupying Iraq? Why should we always look to do what Republicans do vis-a-vis military interventions? And, why shouldn't we hold whoever's in charge feet to the fire if it's the right thing to do?

[union_maid]

30. Because it's about a lot more than Iraq

It's about this entire country being held hostage by a particular group of people who have to be purged out of D.C. It's about Supreme Court nominations. It's about civil liberties and domestic policy. It really is about two Americas. If we can get this administration out, we must never, ever allow them back in. If Kerry wins we will not have a different nominee in '08 unless something happens to Kerry. The only other option will be the Republican one. By all means work for the causes closest to your heart. Dissent and make yourself heard. That's a good thing. But when he's elected, I'm going to do what I can to make sure he gets 8 years to bring the country as close to his vision of what it should be as is possible. And I'm going to remember that he's being elected President, not God. He cannot turn situations around simply by force of will.

[bhunt70]

32. good post.

I'm getting a bit googly eyed at the "one issue defines everything" rhetoric.