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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:35 PM
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Not only was Bush AWOL, he committed payroll fraud!
On February 10, 2004, the White House released George W Bushs quarterly payroll summaries for his last year in the Texas Air National Guard, claiming that they proved that Bush had fulfilled his duties as a member of the US Armed Forces. However, An examination of these records within the context of laws and policies of that time reveals that at least half (and as much as two thirds) of the pay and points credited toward Bushs mandatory monthly training were fraudulent. When one deducts these fraudulent points from Bushs records, Bush does not achieve the minimum number of points under the White Houses own (erroneous) criteria.



It is likely that the White House is unaware of what the payroll records reveal, because the most damning information is buried in lines of incomprehensible data found at the bottom of the payroll reports. This article breaks that code, and shows that Bush repeatedly claimed credit and pay for performing substitute training for mandatory monthly drills with his unit that was well outside the time limits set for substitute training. And although he was required to get advance authorization for all training, the public record shows that Bush could not have received the necessary authorizations for training performed in Alabama .



http://www.glcq.com/fraud.htm
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:38 PM
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1. There ya go -- chimp not trained properly.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:46 PM
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2. Collecting pay not earned.
This seems to be a pattern with GW.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:43 PM
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8. But info is from 2-10-04, the media ignored - and will ignore again
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 08:46 PM by papau
Tables taken from link:

Table 1: Possible explanations for Performance of substitute training

Date of scheduled UTA
Date of training credited toward UTA

10/14/72
10/28/72

11/04/72
11/11/72

12/02/72
11/13/72

01/13/73
01/04/73

02/10/73
01/06/73

03/10/73
01/09/73

04/07/73
04/07/73

05/19/73
05/19/73

06/23/73
06/23/73

07/21/73
07/21/73

08/18/73
07/16/73

09/22/73
07/18/73


TABLE 2: UTA Weekend Scheduled, and Date Training was Performed

Date of scheduled UTA weekend
First day of training credited toward UTA
Number of days training was performed in advance

10/14/72
10/28/72
-14*

11/04/72
11/11/72
-7*

12/02/72
11/13/72
19

01/13/73
01/04/73
9

02/10/73
01/06/73
35

03/10/73
01/09/73
60

04/07/73
04/07/73
0

05/19/73
05/19/73
0

06/23/73
06/23/73
0

07/21/73
07/21/73
0

08/18/73
07/16/73
33

09/22/73
07/18/73
66

*Bush performed "substitute training" for Oct. and Nov. 1972 after the dates of





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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:47 PM
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3. GAWD, they can't even lie properly..... everything he does/touches loses
We are JINXED I tell ya, JINXED..

Remove the Bush Curse....elect ABB
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Kurt Remarque Donating Member (709 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:54 PM
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5. it doesn't seem to matter! people believe them anyway
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:53 PM
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10. However, enough shit has surfaced about Bushy boy that America
has reached for the stronger coffee and Visine. He will be Toast.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:48 PM
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4. Thanks for this. glcq.com is a great website, but somebody needs to
write a short guide to all the really important Bush AWOL documents they've put up. Your post is a great start!
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:58 PM
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6.  Orcinus
Thanks, I found it linked to my fav liberal blog, Orcinus ..

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
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mhollis Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:42 PM
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7. So, he dodged the draft...
The website you mention needs to be updated to include the payroll records received under the FOI request this last Friday, 23 July, 2004 after 5:00 PM (when Administrations typically "throw out the trash" or dump stuff that looks bad in hopes that the press won't look too seriously at it.

But I have to sympathize with Bush here...

He couldn't really dodge the draft, he had to so something because he just wasn't that good in school to stay out of the military and Congress killed student deferrments anyway (the need for cannon fodder was high). So he didn't do what Cheny or Clinton did and he was being groomed to run for something political, so he did what his Daddy told him to do, join the Guard and "serve his country."

I would have tried any dodge available. My draft number was 16 -- I was going in. Happily, under threat of a military draft being declared unconstitutional on the basis that it was involuntary servitude, Congress and the President abolished it, the year before I was eligible to be drafted.

That places almost all of the Baby Boomers in an uncomfortable position -- they have to be honest and forthcoming about what they did during Vietnam. And since draft evasion may limit one's access to the Vietnam Vets' votes, as it "dishonors" their sacrifice for their country, it makes that line item on one's resume into a "missing re-entry tile" for any would-be politician.

So he has my sympathy on that score.

He has none of my sympathy for involving us in another Vietnam, as he dishonors the Vietnam Veterans as well as the present military by lying to the American people in order to make war on a nation that was no threat to the United States. The most he could have proven was that Saddam Hussein was a potential threat to some not-very-valuable US interests and he was a point of instability in an all ready unstable region which supplies the US with most of its oil. That is too much of a stretch for me to want to occupy a foreign country as an agressor nation.

Also, his pre-emptiveness doctrine essentially justified Hitler's attack on Poland, Russia and Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. I still think those attacks were not justified, despite how he dishonors WW II Veterans in his present doctrine.

The Bush response to all of this is to use their surrogates to attack Kerry on whether or not he should have been awarded The Order Of The Purple Heart or two Silver Stars. Then, after suggesting that Kerry didn't really deserve the awards, they point to how Kerry may have dishonored all Veterans by being against the Vietnam War and by throwing his ribbons, medals or whatever away.

If Bush were so "gung-ho" about the Vietnam war, why didn't he volunteer his flying skills to the Navy or Air Force and help prosecute it? Simple, Bush was against going and putting his body on the line for his country. But he wants to have it both ways so that he can be a politican, so he turns questions like that on the questioner, suggesting that the questioner wishes to dishonor the service of the National Guard.

Back in the 1970s the Air National Guard was a "flying club." Young men with good eyesight, college educations and connections could join. Bush had all three. Nobody was drafting the National Guard to go overseas to help out with an unpopular war. And, frankly, I don't think they could have done that job. In the same sense that Bush put his life on the line in joining and flying with the National Guard, Prince Charles put his life on the line by joining Her Majesty's Royal Navy. There was always the possibility that he could have gotten hurt but the liklihood was very low, especially as compared to other dangerous places one could be while in the military.

Bush went AWOL because he was a screw-up. He also used cocaine and used to drink to excess and drove while intoxicated. He may have gotten his life back in order and he may be a good law-abiding citizen now. He is a bad President. He needs to be turned out of office.

Asking questions about his 1972 service is a side-issue.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:51 PM
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9. Are you serious?
He jumps ahead of 500 other guys to get into the Champagne Unit of TANG, trained on an obsolete bomber, and STILL cannot manage to fulfill his committment? You can sympathize with that? :shrug:

I can't.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:59 PM
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11. I dodged the draft by
joining the same Texas Air National Guard unit as Dumbya. I was on an 18 month waiting list that shortened to 12 months and I was sworn in as an airman basic. It was drumed in me and my fellows that if we didn't show up for training we were AWOL and would be classified deserteres and sent to Nam as a Marine buck private. I believe at least one guy in the unit got that treatment.

I, like the subject of this thread, transfered to another state guard unit and back to the Ellington unit. I too did some bad things in my youth before I got my life together but shirking my sworne duty to the USAF and the TANG was never one of them. My DD-214 shows that. Where is his- He is the only member of the US armed forces who doesn't have a DD-214. He is deserter who claims to be the Commander in Chief. I wish all the guards men and women in Iraq would just do what he did enmass.
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mhollis Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:23 PM
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12. Dodging
bunnyj asked what it was that I sympathized with and it was that he did not want to go to Vietnam. cooper82 knows that, and knew it before I did (I was lucky enough to be born later than he was).

But here is the real deal and why I bought up the Prince of Wales:

GW was Connected and that is with a capital "C." He jumped ahead of 500 others to get into the Guard. He doesn't have a DD-214 and yet was not shipped out as a buck private. He was a screw up and nothing could touch him. Got into Harvard ahead of others, got into Yale ahead of others more qualified. Why? His daddy, that's why.

And he doesn't admit mistakes now. He doesn't take responsibility to involving his country in another Vietnam (or at least lots worse than Somalia or Kosovo and Bosnia), 9/11 wasn't his fault, nothing ever is. And that's because daddy-the-fixer always got him out of every jam he ever got himself into.

Presently, daddy-the-fixer is Dick Cheny, who really runs things.

You can see how, when you don't make your children own up to their mistakes when they are young, you create problems later on. Now that's a family value that Bush doesn't think about when he uses that as a code word to take action against these "uppity women" who want equality in the work place and want to have a right to use birth control.

But again, 1972 is not the issue. We all agree that we don't want Bush running the country, but the reason is not found in examining what went on in 1972, it is found here and now.

Last week, he told Republicans to vote against extending the "Marriage Penalty" and $1,000 per child exemptions. This means married couples will have to pay higher taxes and parents will have to pay higher taxes next year. That's not 1972, that is right now.

Oh, and the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission? Bush intends to have that "talked to death" the same way he talked to death the idea of killing the number one most wanted terrorist in Iraq when he had the chance.

Here's the question: Are we safer now? The 9/11 Commission says no. And this is after three years of Bush. He's had three years to get it together and an independant panel says he didn't do the job. Now that's a subject worth addressing. 1972 is a side issue that raises all of the stupid side-issues about his opponent who had a distinguised war record.
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