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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:36 PM
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Transcript -- The Jesus Factor

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/etc...

Pres. GEORGE W. BUSH: My relationship with God through Christ gives me meaning and direction.

ANNOUNCER: He is by most accounts the most openly religious president in generations.

E.J. DIONNE, Jr., Author, Sacred Places, Civic Purposes: The interest in religion is not made up. It has to do with Bush's self-presentation and what he thinks he is about.

Pres. GEORGE W. BUSH: I'll talk about it, OK? I've got a personal faith. Billy Graham came into my life.

ANNOUNCER: From the beginnings of his faith--

MARK LEAVERTON, Midland Men's Community Bible Study: He told me at that point, he said, you know, "I realized that I had to be born again."

ANNOUNCER: --and his mission to become president--

Dr. RICHARD LAND, Southern Baptist Convention: Among the things he said to us was, "I believe that God wants me to be president."

ANNOUNCER: --to his embrace of conservative Christians--

DOUG WEAD, Advisor to Pres. George H.W. Bush: The message did come home. My God, you could win the White House with nothing but evangelicals.

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You should read the rest, snippets just won't do
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:38 PM
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1. He's such a fraud
Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:42 PM
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2. billy graham came into his life
this says it all. not jesus, but billy graham came into my life. and that is exactly what graham presents, himself as the speaker for jesus,.......not jesus

hm, says it for me. mans word, not gods. mans interpretation, not christ conscious
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 03:47 PM
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6. Well, actually, what the Frontline special pointed out
was that he joined a rich man's bible study group in Midland, TExas, and that is where he found his conversion. Rich men love Paul's loophole, that faith alone is sufficient for salvation. When I listen to Bush, I hear as much Paul as I do OT. Jesus got lost in the shuffle.

Billy Graham came into his life sometime after, proabaly an intervention by Poppy because Junior was getting just a little too wacky.

I find this a lot with right wing bornagains, that heavy insistence on the rich man's loophole. They've completely neglected Mark and Matthew, with all those uncomfortable words regarding giving to the poor, feeding the hungry, clothing the bare, and tending the sick. They'd much rather think they can bribe their way out of hell rather than earn their way into heaven.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 04:08 PM
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7. thanks warpy
i am going to have to go to this paul dude. has been a couple decades reading the bible. did revelations the other day. paul is coming up a lot in different areas and learning perspective. interesting way you shared, will come in handy in chat with those around me
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 04:24 PM
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9. I truly believe
that if Saul had never become Paul, civilization might be a whole lot better off.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 04:59 PM
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11. It's Prosperity Theology
Some wackos actually have taken over Christianity with this stuff called Prosperity Theology, which teaches that the better Christian you are, the more God blesses you in this life with money and success. Anyone who falls for it hasn't read the Gospels lately, but there are a lot of people who go to churches that preach some version of it and believe it at least to some extent. It's sad, really.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:47 PM
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3. Here's the "Jesus Plus Nothing" article by Harpers
http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html?pg=1

One of the more shocking articles about the fundies in a long time.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:49 PM
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4. While on vacation at the ranch Bush* is thrown from his pickup.....

truck, lands on a rattlesnake, gets bitten and dies because the emergency room at the nearest hospital is too understaffed to treat him in time.

So his soul arrives in heaven and he is met by St. Peter at the
Pearly Gates.

"Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it
seems there is a problem. We seldom see a Compassionate Conservative around these parts, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in; I'm a believer ," says Bush*.

"I'd like to just let you in, but I have orders from the man Himself. He says you have to spend one day in Hell and one day in Heaven.
Then you must choose where you'll live for eternity."

"But, I've already made up my mind, I want to be in Heaven,"
replied Bush*.

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules." And with that, St.
Peter escorts him to an elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell.

The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a lush golf
course;the sun is shining in a cloudless sky, the temperature a perfect 72 degrees. In the distance is a beautiful clubhouse.


Standing in front of it is Strum Thurmond, and thousands of other Conservatives who had helped him out over the years. The whole of the "Right" was there, everyone laughing, happy and casually but expensively dressed.

They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good times
they had getting rich at the expense of the "suckers and peasants." They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar.

The Devil himself comes up to Bush* with a frosty drink, "Have a
Margarita and relax, George!"

"Uh, I can't drink no more, I took a pledge," says Bush*,
dejectedly.

"This is Hell, son. You can drink and eat all you want and not
worry,and it just gets better from there!
Bush takes the drink and finds himself liking the Devil, who he thinks
is a really very friendly guy who tells funny jokes like himself, and pulls hilarious nasty pranks, kind of like they pulled on the NAFTA and Free Trade promises. They are having such a great time that, before he realizes it,it's time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves as Bush* steps on the elevator and heads upward.

When the elevator door reopens, he is in Heaven again and St. Peter
is waiting for him. "Now it's time to visit Heaven," the old man
says, opening the gate.

So for 24 hours Bush* is made to hang out with a bunch of honest,
good-natured people who enjoy each other's company, talk about
things other than money, and treat each other decently.
Not a nasty prank or frat boy joke among them; no fancy country
clubs and, while the food tastes great, it's not caviar or lobster. And these people are all poor, he doesn't see anybody he knows, and he isn't even treated like someone special!

Worst of all, to Bush*, Jesus turns out to be some kind of Jewish
hippie with his endless 'peace' and 'do unto others' jive. "Whoa," he
says uncomfortably to himself. "Whoah...Billy Graham never prepared me for this!"

The day done, St. Peter returns and says, "Well, you've spent a day
in Hell and a day in Heaven. Now choose where you want to live for
eternity."

With the 'Jeopardy' theme playing softly in the background, Bush*
reflects for a minute, then answers: "Well, I would never have thought I'd say this-- I mean, Heaven has been delightful and all -- but I really think I belong in Hell with my friends."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down,
down,all the way to Hell. The doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren scorched earth covered with garbage and toxic industrial waste.

He is horrified to see all of his friends, dressed in rags and
chained together, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. They are groaning and moaning in pain, faces and hands black with grime.

The Devil comes over to Bush* and puts an arm around his shoulder.
"I...uh...mmmm...d d d... don't understand," stammers a shocked Bush*, "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and a clubhouse and we ate lobster and caviar,drank booze. We screwed around and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and everybody looks miserable!"

The Devil looks at him, smiles slyly, and purrs, "Yesterday we were
campaigning; today you voted for us.






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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:17 PM
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5. Fabulous, funny story, ElsewheresDaughter!
He'll get what he deserves, too.

Hey, those who flunk the Ten Commandments should burn in Hell.

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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 04:12 PM
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8. I watched this for the third time last night and I noticed something......
You have to know a little bit about George's history, but if you do, you can see that George only used religion as a political tool. He lost to a conservative Christian the first time he ran for office, and he learned from that, and went over to their side, in order to get the votes, in his second run.

George is no Christian. The Christian right is being used by him as a political tool.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 04:28 PM
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10. i agree, this is the bottom line
i know he is not church goer, and living amongst so many fundamentalist, i know this is issue with them. why they are allowing themselves to be used, they know better.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 05:13 PM
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12. There are 37 Frontline's streaming online..here
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