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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:14 PM
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Bush Military Records (good website)
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 12:15 PM by Joanne98
George W. Bush's Military Records
Documents Obtained by Walter Robinson, Martin Heldt and other researchers through the Freedom of Information Act:
Getting into the Guard
(doc26.gif )- Contract of Service (5/27/68)

(doc23.gif )- Penalty for bad attendance (undated)

(doc24.gif ) - Statement of intent: "Flying is lifetime goal." (undated)

Press release (3/24/1970)

Second page of the PR release (3/24/70)

1972-1973
(doc7.gif ) - First transfer request; Bush applies to transfer with the 9921st in AL, a non-flying unit (5/24/72)

(doc6.gif )- Lt. Colonel Bricken's Response from AL (5/26/72)

(doc25.gif )- TXANG Recommends approval and notification if Bush is assigned to reserves. (6/??/72)

(doc5.gif ) - Air Force HQ Denver disallows transfer (date unclear)

(grounded.gif ) - Bush's suspension from flying; "Reason for Suspension" Failure to accomplish annual medical examination." (9/29/72; confirming verbal orders of 8/1/72) (James Bath is also suspended on this same document.)

(doc2.gif ) - Bush request for temporary transfer to 187th Tac Recon Grp. in AL (Bush letter, 9/5/72)

(doc11.gif )- AL ANG HQ approval for Bush to train with the 187th. (9/15 and 9/29, 1972)

(doc4.gif ) - Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 1..."Not Observed" in all categories. (5/2/73)

(doc9.gif ) - Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 2..."Not Observed at this unit during the period of this report." (5/2/73)

(doc17.gif ) - Special Order from Department of the Air Force, Ellington AFB, ordering Bush to perform 9 days duty in May/June 1973. (5/1/73)

(doc12.gif )- USAF requests more information on Officer Effectiveness Report; "This Officer should have been reassigned in May 1972 since he is no longer training in his AFSC or with his unit of assignment." (6/2?/73)

(doc28.gif )- Major Martin replies; "Not rated for the period 1 May 72 through 30 Apr 73. Report not available for administrative reasons."

1972-1973 Days Credited:
As received by Marty Heldt in July 2000
As published by "George" Magazine 10/19/2000
As released by the White House in February 2004
(Boy, that document sure has gone through the wash a few times! Wonder what's on the original microfiche?)
(doc16.gif ) - 1973 days credited. (undated, unsigned)

Getting Out of the Guard
(Doc20.gif ) - Bush request for discharge from Texas Air National Guard and Transfer to inactive reserves - Bush letter (9/5/73)

(doc27.gif ) - Request Discharge recommended for approval by Col. Killian (9/6/73)

(doc10.gif ) - Chronological Listing of Service (undated; last entry 10/1/73)

(ang22.gif ) - Bush discharge papers (10/1/73)

(Doc21.gif )- Texas Air National Guard OK for transfer to inactive reserves (10/16/73)

(doc14.gif ) - "Military Biography" of George W. Bush (unsigned, undated - no mention of Alabama)

Documents Released by the White House February 10, 2004:
Jan. 6, 1973 USAF Dental Exam Record for 1st Lt. George W. Bush

Memorandum of Lt. Col. Albert C. Lloyd, Jr. (Ret.) (Analysis of Military Payroll Records for George W. Bush for service from 1972 to 1973) (undated memorandum)

USAF Reserve Personnel Record Card for 1st Lt. George W. Bush (Covers period from 27 May 1972 to 26 May 1973)

ARF 1st Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)

ARF 2nd Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1973)

Military Payroll Records of 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)


http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:22 PM
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1. Kerry Military records
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 12:25 PM by Joanne98
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John Kerry's Military Records

(From John Kerry's Website, www.johnkerry.com )

Military Service Awards
This file contains documents on the awarding of John Kerry's military service awards: 3 Purple Hearts, 1 Bronze Star, and 1 Silver Star.

Acceptance of Discharge Naval Reserve

Background Information

Bronze Star

Bupers Orders To Gridley

Change of Duty

DD214

DD215 (correction to DD214)

Duty Recommendation

Emergency Data

Enlistment Contract

Enlistment Photo

Fitness Reports

Honorable Discharge From Reserve

Leave Record

National Defense Service Medal

Naval Messages

Naval OCS Report

Nuclear Weapons Training Certificate

Office Order Memos

Officer Candidate Agreement

Order to Officer Candidate

Pay Entry Base Date

Personnel Casualty Report

Presidential Unit Citation

Purple Heart #1 Citation

Purple Heart #2 Citation

Purple Heart #3 Citation

Qualifications Questionnaire

Recommendations For Next

Record of Discharge

Release From Active Duty

Report of Home of Record

Request For History of Service

Request For Swiftboat Duty

Research Sheet F4-15

Reserve Office Appointment

Security Clearances

Service_Record

Servicemans Life Insurance

Silver Star

Statement of Service 1967

Temporary Orders and Ranks

Thrice Wounded Reassignment

Top Secret Clearance

Training School Record

Transfer To Standby Reserve

Travel Payment Order


http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp


Vietnam Service Medal


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:35 PM
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2. Doonsberry offers 10,000 to anyone who saw Bush
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 12:35 PM by Joanne98
Granted, this has been tried before. In 2000, concerned veterans in both Texas and Alabama offered cash rewards to lure former guardmates of Mr. Bush into stepping forward, to no avail. The problem, in our view, was that these enticements weren't serious enough, that the sums offered were insulting. In contrast, we at the DTH&WP respect how inconvenient it can be to subject yourself to worldwide media scrutiny in general, and Fox News in particular, and are thus prepared to sweeten previous offers by a factor of five. That's right, we're offering $10,000 cash! Yours to either spend or invest in job creation. All you have to do is definitively prove that George W. Bush fulfilled his duty to country.

So don't let the smear artists define the president. If you personally witnessed George W. Bush reporting for drills at Dannelly Air National Guard Base between the months of May and November of 1972 we want to hear about it. Help Mr. Bush put this partisan assault on his character behind him, so he can focus on more serious issues like jobs, the deficit and the coming civil war in Iraq. Just contact us below with the salient details. If we think you're a possible winner, we'll get back to you pronto. Good luck to all contestants!

http://doonesbury.msn.com/strip/bush_guard.html

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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:36 PM
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3. Does it cite his security clearances on any of the documents?
I'm not familiar with Guard or records prior to the early 80's, but personnel records ALWAYS made mention of my security clearance. I've looked on Bush's* and can't find them - perhaps a better eye than mine could spot them.

My point would be that prior to the "alabama" assignment he should have at least a Secret (though one would think higher). Following any discipline the clearance would be reduced. Find that reduction and then someone needs to ask Bush why the reduction and how that action and his previous failure to disclose makes him an able leader of the rapidly closing free world.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:50 PM
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5. I don't know
I put this up because this looks like a good website. He hasn't made a statement on the new payroll records though.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:15 PM
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7. His clearance was redacted.
Mine wasn't, and it was a lot higher than what he needed to do his job.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:25 PM
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10. On which document?
Early career or later? And, why on earth, would they redact a clearance? Why indeed...
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:19 PM
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12. It was on the AF equivilent of the DD 214.
Near the bottom in remarks.

Most likely it was secret.

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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:22 PM
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13. I saw it here yesterday on one of the PDFs: secret
that's not very high clearance, IIRC
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RoadRunner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:43 PM
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4. WTF - why does it show Bush's discharge effective "October 1, 1973"?
The USA Today archives of his record (http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/10-3_2000_Personn... - see page 24) show the effective discharge date as November 21, 1974? Does anybody have a copy of the later discharge papers?

WTF??

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:11 PM
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6. Kick in the face to the media
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 01:12 PM by Joanne98
Since they refused to report the "Bush was AWOL" according to his payroll records story this weekend.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:16 PM
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8. Kerry's Silver Star
Baptism by Fire
Crew Members Recall Incident That Earned John Kerry a Silver Star
By Jake Tapper
ABCNEWS.com

June 24, 2004 Sen. John Kerry talks about his four months in Vietnam it's a centerpiece of his presidential campaign but there's one thing he won't talk about: the day he killed a Vietcong soldier at close range and earned a Silver Star.

"It's a key part of him," said a Kerry friend. "It was a pivotal moment in his life. But he doesn't talk about it."

Added another source close to Kerry, "it's the reason he gets so angry when his patriotism is challenged. It was a traumatic experience that's still with him, and he went through it for his country." It affects the way Kerry lives his life every day, the source said, since "he knows he very well would not be alive today had he not taken the life of another man never ever met."

-snip-

The man was still running down a path when they got to the bank. Kerry, Belodeau and Michael McDarris, in hot pursuit, saw the Vietcong soldier. Short recalled: "The guy was getting ready to stand up with a rocket on his shoulder, coming up. And Mr. Kerry took him out he would have been about a 30-yard shot. Which, we were dead in the water up on the bank, point blank. If he missed us, he would have to, you know there's no way he could miss us. He could've thrown a rock and taken me out."

-snip-

More: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Nightline/Politics/kerry ...

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:19 PM
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9. Excellent. And here's a site with the goods:
DESERTER


THE STORY OF GEORGE W. BUSH AFTER HE QUIT THE TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD

SUMMARY


An examination of the Bush military files within the context of US Statutory Law, Department of Defense regulations, and Air Force policies and procedures of that era lead to a single conclusion: George W. Bush was considered a deserter by the United States Air Force.


After Bush quit TXANG, he still had nine months of his six-year military commitment left to serve. As a result, Bush became a member of the Air Force Reserves and was transferred to the authority of the Air Reserve Personnel Center (ARPC) in Denver, Colorado. Because this was supposed to be a temporary assignment, ARPC had to review Bush's records to determine where he should ultimately be assigned. That examination would have led to three conclusions: That Bush had "failed to satisfactorily participate" as defined by United States law and Air Force policy, that TXANG could not account for Bush's actions for an entire year, and that Bush's medical records were not up to date. Regardless of what actions ARPC contemplated when reviewing Bush's records, all options required that Bush be certified as physically fit to serve, or as unfit to serve. ARPC thus had to order Bush to get a physical examination, for which Bush did not show up. ARPC then designated Bush as AWOL and a "non-locatee" (i.e. a deserter) who had failed to satisfactorily participate in TXANG, and certified him for immediate induction through his local draft board. Once the Houston draft board got wind of the situation, strings were pulled; and documents were generated which directly contradict Air Force policy, and which were inconsistent with the rest of the records released by the White House.


more
http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm

And a good intro at
http://www.glcq.com/intro2.htm


And, fresh spec at Corrente
http://corrente.blogspot.com/2004_07_18_corrente_archiv...



The guy who did the first two sites, and participates at the Corrente, Paul Lukasiak, clearly understands a great deal about Shrub's records situation. "Bush was AWOL. But that was only the beginning ... "


:evilgrin:

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:29 PM
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11. What happened in April-May 1972 could be crucial
The payroll records show Bush's last day before the 6-month gap was April 16, 1972. The chronology you just put up shows Bush's first request for a transfer to Alabama as May 24, 1972. So for more than a month, Bush just kind of evaporates -- he isn't showing up in Texas but he apparently hasn't asked permission to be elsewhere, either.

This period is important, because if Bush was arrested for drug possession (leading to the apparent community service in the winter of 1973), it has to have happened just in this gap.

So the real question is, leaving military records aside, is there any evidence of what Bush was up to in this period? When did he first miss a scheduled TANG training and when did he go to Alabama?
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