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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:14 AM
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Wilson - Niger - "outing"
We've entered a "discredit" phase of the 'scandal'

just want to throw in my 2-cents...

The latest "news" is the accusation of Wilson's wife recommending Wilson to check out Niger-Iraq-yellow cake. This is suppose to imply that his wife pulled strings and there was some nepostism going on.

It's attempt to change the focus. The issue is not whether or not Plame recommended Wilson -- the issue is Plame was 'outed' and this is an act of treason. (If nepotism were the issue -- then what about Powell's son as head of the FCC?)

We are also seeing 'news' bolstering the original supposition of Saddam trying to buy yellow-cake from Niger.

questions:

If Saddam-Niger connection were true:

1. Why was this pulled from the Cincinnati speech in October 2002?

2. In the 2003 SOTU speech - the source of this information was laid on British Intelligence -- where was the tidbit about CIA confirmation?

3. Why did Tenent fall on his sword and take the blame for allowing the "16 little words" into the SOTU?

4. Why attack Wilson's credibility? Why 'out' his wife? Why the smear tactics now? Where is the proof/evidence/documents that show beyond a reasonable doubt that Saddam did try to buy yellow-cake from Niger?



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:16 AM
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1. These are good points.
I hope that you post them on the Plame Indictment threads, too.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:18 AM
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2. She wasn't "outed!"
Her cover was blown. We can't let them off the hook with mild language. The Bush* Administration didn't "out" Ms. Plame - they "blew her cover."


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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:15 AM
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3. Exactly...Thanks for starting this thread..
"They blew her cover".. and the primary reason for the grand jury investigation. Hopefully with indictments coming down soon.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:29 AM
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4. Very important and mostly overlooked point posted by Snippy...
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 08:39 AM by Tellurian
That should be addressed to broaden the investigation and for public awareness demonstrating the concerted effort put forth by the Bush Administration to make this war happen- (at any cost!)

This was not a one man operation. Scooter Libby is part of WHIG.

The Wilson affair should be used to expose the entire broad and well coordinated campaign of lies by the Bush administration concerning the invasion of Iraq. The Wilson affair is only one small part of that campaign. The Wilson affair has legs because there is easily understood evidence of an easily understood crime. But I think that it is a mistake to be content to use it to bring one or two flunkies in the administration down. Whoever ultimately takes the fall for this either never will be indicted or will be pardoned and become republican folk heroes. Think Ollie North.

I think nearly every single fact and allegation about the entire Wilson affair indicates that it was an operation of the White House Iraq Group, or WHIG. The WHIG was formed by White House Chief of Staff Andy Card in August of 2002 to market and create support for the invasion of Iraq. It also was charged with framing the debate so that republicans would benefit politically from the invasion. WHIG's responsibilities included the creation and coordination of all of the lies to support the invasion, including the yellowcake and other nuclear weapons lies. Scooter Libby was a participant in the WHIG.

From an excellent article describing the WHIG:

The group met weekly in the Situation Room. Among the regular participants were Karl Rove, the president's senior political adviser; communications strategists Karen Hughes, Mary Matalin and James R. Wilkinson; legislative liaison Nicholas E. Calio; and policy advisers led by Rice and her deputy, Stephen J. Hadley, along with I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff.

The first days of September would bring some of the most important decisions of the prewar period: what to demand of the United Nations in the president's Sept. 12 address to the General Assembly, when to take the issue to Congress, and how to frame the conflict with Iraq in the midterm election campaign that began in earnest after Labor Day.

A "strategic communications" task force under the WHIG began to plan speeches and white papers. There were many themes in the coming weeks, but Iraq's nuclear menace was among the most prominent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=artic...

The WHIG not only chose what lies to use, it also chose when, where, and how the lies would be disseminated. And by whom.

The fact that at least two people in the administration were shopping the story indicates that a decision to disclose the information was made. It was not casually revealed during the course of conversation. It was an actual decision made by someone. The fact that at least two people in the administration were shopping the story also indicates delegation and coordination by someone.

If lies about Iraq's nuclear weapons program are involved, it is a WHIG operation. If a decision about a communication concerning any of the Iraq lies was made in the White House, WHIG was involved in the decision. If the job of making that communication was delegated to two or more people and coordinated, WHIG was involved in the delegation and coordination. That means the White House Chief of Staff, Andy Card and Turd Blossom Rove were involved.

I am hoping that the investigation of the disclosure of the information on Wilson's wife will lead to a broader investigation of what I think are the three most important questions about the invasion of Iraq (from the standpoint of revealing the criminal behavior of Bush and his minions):

1. Who made the decision to use a campaign of lies to market the invasion of Iraq? (Turd Blossom Rove? Whistle Ass? Cheney? Roger Ailes? Rush Limbaugh? Someone else?)

2. When was that decision made? (Before or after January, 2001? or September 11, 2001? or March, 2002 when Bush told three Senators in Rice's office: "Fuck Saddam. We're taking him out."? or September 2002 when Andrew Card said about trying to sell the American people on the invasion of Iraq: "From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August."?)

3. Why was that decision made? (Political reasons? Financial reasons? Personal reasons? Religious reasons? Other reasons?)



I think the answers to these questions would reveal a criminal conspiracy much broader than the decision to out Wilson's wife. That conspiracy involves more powerful people than Scooter Libby.

...Thanks, Snippy for bringing this issue back to the table! edited to refresh link

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:47 AM
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5. DU thread containing info about former CIA Larry Johnson..
and many good points posted by du'ers..

again, thanks to Snippy!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:31 PM
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6. link to Resolution of Dissent in Plame case:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:14 PM
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10. Great post! Thanks for the link to this resolution!
:hi:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:42 PM
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7. Nepotism Implies Several Things
1. that Wilson hadn't sufficient credentials. Fact- He was one of the MOST qualified for that job according to his actual resume.

2. that going to Niger was some plum, high paying assignment. Fact- there was no glory OR profit motive in this assignment.

3. that family member actually does HIRING. Fact- Plame was not in any position to HIRE Wilson.

If Junior wants to talk nepotism... how about Colin Powell's son on FCC or Chalabi's son in Iraq (Chalabi being an Iranian spy, no less).
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:08 PM
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8. good points..
don't forget Scalia's son..

Cheney's daughter as liaison to some gov agency in the ME..
a plum to discourage her from using herself as a human shield to protest the invasion of Iraq.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:09 PM
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9. Nepotism = hire, promote, or advocate the hiring or promotion of
relatives. Wilson was not hired or employed. Nepotism is a smoke screen, the publicity regarding nepotism is an attempt to taint the jury pool. (imho)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:31 PM
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11. Eggsactly!
do republicans know the definition of the word "nepotism"?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:47 PM
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12. They do and they misuse it all the time. But then again. . .
So do dems. JFK appointing Bobbie Kennedy to U.S. Attorney - was that nepotism?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:50 PM
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13. After JFK appointed RFk his AG..
Republican's lobbied to make it illegal for 2 in the same family to hold high office..

bet their sorry they did that!.. :)
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:02 PM
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15. Is that when they passed the legislation that is the nepotism statute?
That would make sense then.
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angryinoville Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:07 PM
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16. Yeah.. but RFK was a pretty ballsy AG
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:13 PM
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18. No argument there.
Nepotism is not always a bad thing!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 04:48 PM
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20. Robert Kennedy Was Well Qualified- NO?
anyway, I didn't know about Kennedy's/Nepotism Law.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 04:53 PM
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21. RFK was a pitbull before pitbulls became popular!
Unfortunately, he didn't realize in time, the more lethal organized crime was the covert operatives behind the Republican Party.
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Spygame Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:58 PM
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14. Stupid Question
What is Yellow Cake?
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angryinoville Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:08 PM
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17. I believe it's depleted uranium
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:24 PM
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19. Here is a definition of yellowcake
At the processing unit, uranium is extracted from the ore, purified and concentrated in the form of a yellow colored salt, known as yellowcake.
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