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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:49 AM
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LOL I just saw a CNN special presentation about kerry (ad) ...
they dogged the way he gives speeches??!!??
They said that he is great till he opens his mouth????
and they said he was a fine speaker till he hit the senate....
uhm... i never heard CNN say anything about Bush and the way he talks... this is crazy!!!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:50 AM
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1. What can we do to fight this blatent bias in the media,
especially this Cable crap!!!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:26 AM
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8. Write to them.
Get in their faces. As Eric Alterman calls it in "What Liberal Media?," work the referees. Don't let them off the hook. Let them know their audience is onto their slimy tricks.


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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:52 AM
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17. That's why we need a ton of money to get our own Think Tanks...
and "propaganda" machines out there to pull these SOB's by the balls. WE DEMOCRATS need to get that Republican "Lock Step" Mentality if we want to see change.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:55 PM
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19. watch "A Flyboys Story", should be coming up in the next few minutes.
cant get enough of the "heroic" bush
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:57 AM
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2. Don't watch them
when you hear about garbage like this, write them and complain.
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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:01 AM
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4. just emailed them! n/t
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:59 AM
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3. Watch CBS or NBC instead.
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MoonGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:03 AM
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5. CBS has made me cringe a few times...
... dunno about NBC... but it seems to me that ALL of it needs to be watched with a critical eye.

A daily dose of The Daily Show doesn't hurt, either.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:04 AM
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6. What happened?
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:21 AM
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7. Turn It Off And They Win
I expected CNN to run a hatchet job on Kerry...considering the promos I saw that you could just tell were gonna play up the "un-social" side (whatever that is). Newsbreak to CNN: Presidents aren't supposed to be our best buds...they're supposed to run the largest corporation in the world and do so benevolently. This isn't about who rides a horse best or who you want to have a beer with (since I hate beer where's that leave me??).

The bias especially on CNN has really gotten bad and I suggest not turning it off, but turning up the noise. Yes, let 'em have the letters...but if you're gonna write, also do a LTTE to your local paper...even if it's the ad paper...mention CNN lots of times (those three letters will stick out on a page) and feel free to mention names...even though that list has gotten long as well (Myles Mindbender, Leslie Blitzen and Paula Zahn get my greatest ire as they attempt to say they're credible "journalists" when all they spout are talking points. Or the "newsbabes" who are piped directly into the White House...no fact checking, just go with what they tell you and keep your job.

Again, turning it off means when CNN does its market polling they'll see their audience is primarily wingnuts and will cater even more to them. These goons think Faux is what people want to see as far as a newschannel (or their advertisers think so)...let them, the advertisers and especially all you know different. Again, not boycott...flood these assholes with letters and turn the media light on them. The best to expect is they at least try to be balanced. Faux is being exposed for the fraud it is and CNN's next on the list.

As far at networks...CBS is far superior to all the others. Yes, the network "leans left"...and for good reason, this regime has gone after this company (Janet Jackson, Raygun movie, Howard Stern) mostly since they openly support CBS's major competitor, Clear Channel, and are attempting to punish Sumner Redstone and other honchos at Viacom/CBS/Infinity who are big Democratic donors.

Part of the great media lie is the "liberal media"...It's a strawman constantly used on Faux to shame the rest of the networks in leaning right lest be called "liberal" if they stray from the party line. CNN has bought into this concept as well and is a greater threat as they attempt (with some remaining legitmacy) to claim their a credible news source.

It's sad to write this since I've had CNN since almost it's first day and have lived with this network 24/7 since then. This network was innovative in connecting us globally and now is abusing that power. It's time to call things as they are and call those who are using the media against the American people to be called out as well.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:12 AM
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13. You are right IMRadioactive
I am not sure what those here are thinking when they advocate ignoring a media powerful enough to influence support for the criminal in office. Furthermore, we actually pay for this crap through our cable bills.

I keep hearing people say that CBS is okay (or some other network). NONE are okay. Basically, you get a Nightline report that is somewhat truthful for one hour from ABC while ABC airs four hours of Rush and Hannity daily--every day via their radio networks. Or, you get a CBS 60 Minutes episode once a month or bimonthly while the CBS daily news toes the RW party line 24/7.

The imbalance is there even when the truth is told. I'm not sure if they care about feedback about their bias but watching at least lets you know what is going on. These messages are too serious to tune everybody out.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:22 AM
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14. It's Also The Counter-Spin Game We Have To Play
If you don't know what CNN or Faux is saying, it's hard to "discuss" issues with those who do watch and do believe and assume what they see and hear to be "unbiased" or they grown "comfortable with". Challenge people about the sources of the "facts" they spew and CNN or Faux will pop out quickly...thus you need this info to be one up and know what to expect. The spins are getting so goofy...ala Sandy Berger...that unless you watch these spinners closely the story goes from lie to "assumed fact" real fast.

Of course I advocate getting news and information from lots of sources. We have the tools with the Internet to reach far and wide to get all types of news and view...and you can see how others use it here. It's hold your loved ones close...hold your enemies closer...and know them as they won't take the time to know you...especially the wingnuts.

Cheers!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:59 PM
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20. Thanks for these posts, IAR --
with which I wholeheartedly agree. I've been with CNN, too, since Ted Turner first opened that 24-hour window on the world. It breaks my heart now, and his, too, I think.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:50 AM
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16. CBS News does NOT "tow the RW line"!!!
:wtf:

CBS is NOT perfect, but it's better than the others out there, especially Cable.

I like Rather and Brokow, I do NOT always agree with them but they are much more trustworthy than the others. Yes, I get alot of my news from foreign sources which are by FAR the best out there.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:46 PM
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18. Boy I must have hit a nerve...
I don't see CBS as being any fairer than the others. Maybe I'm just blinded because the rest are so awful. I will give CBS a second look and get back to you.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:02 AM
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21. It cracks me up when someone pretends that the fact people disagree
is in some way validation of your viewpoint.

I must have hit a nerve is a particularly juvenile way of avoiding a discussion.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 10:57 AM
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24. It doesn't "crack me up" when mean-spirited people rudely attack others
by doing things like calling their comments "juvenile". seems to me it's a pretty easy way to avoid your own obvious personal issues. :shrug:
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 11:14 AM
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26. Perhaps the problem is a lack of understanding
of the difference between attacking someone's comments, and attacking someone personally.

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:19 PM
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27. Indeed, that seems to be your problem. Thanks for clarifying it.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:26 PM
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29. An attempted restatement of "I know you are, but what am I"
certainly qualifies as juvenile. lol

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 02:25 PM
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31. And another attempted zinger...what's your problem? Really?
Edited on Mon Jul-26-04 02:49 PM by linazelle
Have you sought help for it, whatever it is? If not, you really should as your obsessiveness with my remarks pretty much confirms that you have issues in the criticism arena. Perfect are you? Well good for you. Now get over it. Move on.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 02:55 PM
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32.  It cracks me up when someone pretends that the fact people disagree
is in some way validation of your viewpoint.

I think saying I must have hit a nerve is a particularly juvenile way of avoiding a discussion.


If you want to take that personally, or if you want to make some other, even more juvenile comment about me having a 'problem' - that's your choice.


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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 03:15 PM
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35. Obviously you don't like criticism either--personally or otherwise
or you would not respond incessantly and continue to attempt to criticize me. If you don't like it, then perhaps you will think about it before you do it the next time--unless you don't take your meds. LOL
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 03:16 PM
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37. Actually, I welcome it.
To borrow a phrase, 'Bring it on'

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 03:17 PM
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38. Eyes rolling
Edited on Mon Jul-26-04 03:19 PM by linazelle
:eyes:

(And what oh what will the one-trick pony will have to say, in response, uhmmmm that's..."juvenile.")


LOL
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 03:19 PM
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39. I thought you had some criticism of me or my comments to offer.

Was that true, or do you actually have nothing to say?


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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 03:20 PM
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40. Yeah I have something to say: Cheney off!
Edited on Mon Jul-26-04 03:22 PM by linazelle
Let me guess...."juvenile"??? :shrug: LOL
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 03:23 PM
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41. Well, other than profanity and insults do you have anything to say?



You said you had some 'criticism' of me or my comments, and you strongly implied that it would not be 'juvenile'.


So, let's hear it.

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:22 PM
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28. self delete
Edited on Mon Jul-26-04 12:23 PM by linazelle
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 10:58 AM
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25. Now that I've reviewed CBS's censorhip of the Reagan story
along with other failures to get the truth out like their counterparts, I stand by my original comments. CBS is no better than the rest.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:35 AM
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15. May I add that in those "letters" we must also praise Aaron Brown....
and Keith Olberman for their good work too. We must push the "Non-Whores". And remember to put in a good word for Rather & Co.

:kick:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:31 AM
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9. Kind a like Daffy Duck making fun of Abraham Lincoln..
while giving a pass to Porky Pig.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:34 AM
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10. here's what I notice
Kerry can speak without reading from a script.

Bush can hardly even read the script.

Why do you think Bush has so few press conferences? He can't think on his feet.

The Repuke handlers are using the same techniques as they did with Reagan, only Reagan was an accomplished actor, so it worked to their advantage.

This F**king nit-wit is brain damaged from past drug and alcohol abuse, and can't even read the script. He appears as though he is a grade school student reading a story that he can't understand, and using words he can't pronounce.

This election will be decided on "The Intelligence Gap" and Kerry will win in a landslide.
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:40 AM
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11. I stopped watching CNN when
Metallica started getting more coverage than a pipeline bombing in Iraq. That's a sign they've lost their minds.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:51 AM
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12. There is only one place to hurt these bastards and that is in the wallet.
Until we come up with something a lot more sure-fire than fucking boycotts, we are stuck with these smarmy bastards and their constant pandering to the Bush.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:05 AM
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22. It won't work.
Bush and his lackeys are toast, and it doesn't matter how many biased programs CNN shows, any more than these bogus polls are going to matter.

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:15 AM
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23. I thought the story was very even handed.
I can't imagine ANY news source making some folks here happy. If a news source existed that fit the ideals of some of the media haters here, they'd be the Faux News of the left, and we would look as stupid as Fox viewers do. Day after day, post after post, stories are bashed when they have any criticism for our guy. I just can't stand it any more - what is going on here? Another thread about this exact story today was mostly positive and this one was mostly negative - all based on the tone of the initial poster. I guess we all are entitled to our opinions and the networks can be bad at times, I just switch the damn channel - you can too. There is almost always something palatable available to those who are patient.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:33 PM
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30. You think the editing on his Vietnam testimony was FAIR?
They deliberately left out the part where he said he HEARD soldiers say at the Winter Soldier meeting that they.......instead, it was edited as if Kerry was doing the accusing and that it was he who saw and did those atrocities. Kerry used the collective we at times and the tape was edited to mislead the viewer.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 02:59 PM
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33. Bush is the reincarnation of William Jennings Bryan don'tcha know?
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 03:10 PM
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34. I saw it last night...and I was disgusted with what CNN did.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 03:15 PM
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36. Once you've heard the great orator bush* all else pales.
(sarcasm)
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