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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:09 PM
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a simple question about big media 'journalists'
like Wolfy.

is he a bona fide 'journalist', or just a reporter of what the WH hands him? I know the answer, in his case, but I want a comparison of how it worked in the old days before 24 hours newstainment owned by people that like to make bombs and such.

Aren't journalists supposed to check out both sides of the story and not just trust what the gov hands to them as a script? If they don't dig, then they're not journalists, but propaganda pawns.

So how the hell did this one slip by us?
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:11 PM
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1. Rather, Brokow, and Leher are REAL Journalists!
Wolfie, Brit Hume, Tony Snow, Judy Woofwoof, Paula Zahn, etc are just spokespeople for the Government machinery.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:14 PM
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2. but where were they...
Rather, Brokow, and Leher... when the Iraq pre-war frenzy was hot? I recall Rather being rather submissive....
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:16 PM
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3. Yes, they censored the stories then, but they are no....
where near as whorish and DO NOT attack we Dem's for being Democrats like that damn Cable "news" crap!
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:19 PM
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4. so...
a real good journalist nowadays is someone who tows the line of the government but still has some semblance of apparent 'class' when they don't do a Rush?

sorry, I think Rather and everyone else on that top of that pyramid of respectable journalism have failed their jobs and failed their country and failed the Iraqis.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:21 PM
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5. Wolfie was the WH correspondent for Clinton
and it was during the impeachment. Needless to say, he wasn't self-censoring then. But as the current administration said - "everything changed after 9-11" and as dan rather has said "American journalist are necklaced".

If Clinton had done 10% of what this crew has done, he have been rightfully impeached by now. But since the GOP owns it all, and there are few statemen (or women) - we no longer have any checks and balances.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:25 PM
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6. "necklaced"???
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:29 PM
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8. Referring to subtle pressure from the corporations owning the media
Remember in South Africa when they black nationalists punished those who deviated from party doctrine or were suspected of collaborating with the whites? They put tires around their necks and lit them up. That is what necklaced means.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:31 PM
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9. But Viacom has a left wing tilt to it and is....
owned by a Democrat.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:40 PM
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12. Remember they bow to advertisers. And the war fever was too high
pitched... I am not apologizing for them, is just what happened.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:45 PM
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16. But they still give we Dem's great coverage and.....
Bush get's it bad from Rather.

I guess we will take what we can get.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:27 PM
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7. "everything changed after 9-11"...
how fucking handy.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:33 PM
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10. AFA the media, not a damn thing changed
well, wait; they got even MORE slavishly in line with the fascoids than they were prior

so you got me there
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:34 PM
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11. While I was be sarcastic
I can't imagine being a so-called journalist working for for the corporate media and being forced to either be their whore or quit a job that pays the bills, etc. I hate them for being whores, but I pity them for being human and vulnerable.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:42 PM
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14. someone like a Rather must have a nest egg....
and not be out on the street homeless if he was fired tomorrow.

where's the guts?
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:44 PM
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15. I answered myself while pressing the 'post message'....
if Rather-like decided to come clean and report the ugly that he bloody well knows, even he would be censored.

Dan would suddenly be retired to spend more time with his family.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:40 PM
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13. The REAL problem is...
the consumers of news. Journalism is a business, and if you don't sell, you don't stay alive.
Why do you think supermarket tabloids are such a big business? because people WANT to be lied to, or at least told what they want to hear.

its a symbiotic relationship...which came first, the chicken or the egg?

of course, its more complex than that when you introduce state-coercion into the mix.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:50 PM
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17. I'll bet the old timer bona fide journalists...
wonder how the hell did we got here from there.

but maybe not, it's all been the same game in different ways. There is nothing new under the sun.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:29 PM
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19. IMCPO, Christiane Amanpour
is the only REAL journalist left. She was the ONLY "journalist" who had the guts to speak out about having to be embedded under the Pentagon's rules. Information was screened and the Pentagon let them report only what the Pentagon wanted us to know...Christiane was pissed about it and took a lot of crap for complaining about it. The woman has more balls than all the male journalits combined. Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite are proud of her, I'm sure. Modern day journalism is a damn joke.



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Debs Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:23 PM
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18. Its about money its about protection of privelege
What matters isnt who is in front of the camera but who is signing the checks. The media definitly failed from the point of view that they are supposed to inform the public. I think thats hard to dispute. The media however does not see its function as informing the public but serving power, and in that respect they did their job. Being propagandistic and supine and cheerleading for the war that will keep the pentagon milk cow for corporate interests drowning in money.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:37 PM
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20. I studied journalism in grad school
Did some freelancing, but (unfortunately) never got a job in the field. When I think of what I was taught, how the field was presented, I have to shake my head at what goes on in "journalism" today. I was taught the importance of accuracy. When I was transcribing an interview tape, I would play it back to make sure I got the word exactly: if the person said "someone," I didn't want to write "somebody." Ok, maybe I was being a bit anal there, but you get the idea.
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