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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:50 PM
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Wolf Blitzer with Miller "DOES TORTURE WORK?" Miller says yes.
Wolf Blitzer talking with Greg Miller, author "The Interrogators"... I wonder where this is going????
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:51 PM
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1. who is this Miller??? I thot the proven verdict over centuries was no
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:56 PM
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5. From Amazon:

The Interrogators: Inside the Secret War Against al Qaeda
by Chris Mackey, Greg Miller


About the Author
Chris Mackey joined the army at seventeen and was assigned to the intelligence corps as an interrogator. After 9/11, he was recalled to the United States, assigned to Task Force 500, and subsequently sent to Kandahar, Afghanistan. He ultimately supervised all military interrogations conducted at the theatre-wide detention facility at Bagram airfield.
Greg Miller is a national correspondent for the Los Angeles Times.

Book Description
An unprecedented look at the front line of the war against terror: the inside story of five American interrogators, thousands of prisoners, and the race for the truth. More than 3,000 prisoners in the war on terrorism have been captured, held, and interrogated in Afghanistan alone. But no one knows what transpired in those interactions between prisoner and interrogator--until now.

In THE INTERROGATORS, Chris Mackey, the senior interrogator at Bagram Air Base and in Kandahar, where al-Qaeda and Taliban prisoners were first detained and questioned, lifts the curtain. Soldiers specially trained in the art of interrogation went face-to-face with the enemy. These mental and psychological battles were as grueling, dramatic, and important as any in the war on terrorism. We learn how, under Mackey's command, his small group of "soldier spies" engineered a breakthrough in interrogation strategy, rewriting techniques and tactics grounded in the Cold War. Mackey reveals the tricks of the trade, and we see how his team--four men and one woman--responded to the pressure and the prisoners. By the time Mackey's group was finished, virtually no prisoner went unbroken.

Christopher Mackey, after completing his duty in Afghanistan, rejoined KPMG in Europe. Greg Miller is a national security correspondent for the Los Angeles Times. He lives in Washington, DC.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/031687112...

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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:52 PM
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2. Yeah I'm pretty sure it "works,"
as far as getting a prisoner to talk. But what they say is probably not going to be that reliable, since they'll say anything at all to STOP THE FUCKING TORTURE.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:52 PM
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3. you know, it's really getting close to time where we
simply refuse to take this shit any more from these people.

It's very close.

Anyone know what I"m getting at?
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:57 PM
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6. Yea, I sick 'n tired
of EVERY news channel foxing up their slant. It is disgusting. It would B really great to have REAL news again.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:23 PM
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10. I think I know what you're getting at
I just wonder if it's not already too late.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 09:27 PM
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26. Keep your powder dry
If you know what I mean.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:56 PM
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4. wrong question
of course it works.

Every time I hear people discuss it in those terms, I think it's deliberately intended to make people think torture is a "necessary" evil, in order to protect the troops, or to protect us.

The fact is, international agreements protect our troops from being tortured themselves, and so the Bushies are putting them at greater risk.

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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:00 PM
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7. I really need to know what information those people have...
that requires torture.??????
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jdonaldball Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:06 PM
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8. It only works to pry out confessions
Historically, torture has been used only for punishment or to extract confessions - whether false or true didn't matter - torture does work to extract forced confessions.
But that's all it has ever proven effective for.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:24 PM
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11. Yeah, what important information did the tortured children provide?
Maybe these scum-sucking maggots can explain that one.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:37 PM
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12. Oh, you misunderstand.
The trick is to torture the kids in front of their parents in order to get the parents to talk.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:42 PM
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13. You can never be too careful, though
Any Arab child is a potential terrorist.
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:06 PM
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9. Oh goodie then!
Now we know we have the tools to really find out which White House worker is lying about the outing of Valerie Plame - we only have to torture Cheney, Feith, Libby.....and we will soon get our answers...........
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 07:00 PM
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15. Good point. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:48 PM
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14. I saw that.
Blitzer was asking some hard questions for a change and then they abruptly ended the segment. I think a link to the transcript would help when they put it up. I want to make sure I really heard what I heard.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 07:14 PM
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16. Beating your wife and kids also works
Until they turn on you.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 07:26 PM
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17. so if we torture Wolf Blitzer, he'll admit he's a RW plant
and he'll admit he's abusing his position as a "news" anchor to promote a RW political agenda.

I'll bring the wire cutters and the pliers. Who wants to bring the truck battery?
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 08:03 PM
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18. This is sickening...Depraved.... where do they go from here.

"DOES TORTURE WORK?" Miller says yes."

This will not protect America this will destroy America

"DOES SHOOTING SOMEONE WORK" I SAY YES"

Blitzer POS MF giving this Fuck a Forum to spread his Disease


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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 08:07 PM
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19. Even worse than that
I wish I had actually counted the number of times that Blitzer said these interrogations were "yielding valuable information..." In other words, go ahead, justify torture because we're safer if we torture others.........
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 08:55 PM
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22. They go to hell... eom
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Veggie Meathead Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 08:48 PM
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20. When I first read the title to your post I thought you were referring
to the intrepid NYT gal, Judith Miller.And I thought she was talking about the time she bedded down some Iraqi guy to get "information" about WMD's.And I thought Abu Ghraib was the worst torture I had read about!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 08:55 PM
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21. O'lielly just had the other author on
Chris Mackey was just on the Tornado Zone saying the same thing. I guess it's Ok to torture people as long as they aren't Americans...
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 09:06 PM
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23. Hey, nukes work great too
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 09:09 PM
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24. I wonder how long it would take Blitzer to confess that he's
not a real journalist...
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 09:12 PM
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25. Good, start torturing people in the VP's office regarding Plame
Hey, it works.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:42 PM
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27. " the art of gaining possibly life-saving information"
BLITZER: Now the new book "The Interrogators" goes inside an Afghan prison and tells the story of five Americans trained in the art of gaining possibly life-saving information from captured Taliban and al Qaeda members.

(snip)

BLITZER: All right, let's talk about the so-called ticking bomb scenario. You capture a Taliban or al Qaeda terrorist. You know they have information about some plot out there to kill Americans or friends. How far can you go in trying to get that information if you're one of the U.S. military interrogators?

(snip)

BLITZER: Based on what you learned -- and you spent a lot of time studying this -- do those methods work, something, not necessarily torture, but something close to torture, to you get the information that is really reliable?

(snip)


BLITZER: Because torture can be effective in certain cases. Is that what you're saying?


http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0407/19/wbr.00.html




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