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drmom Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:43 PM
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Do they think we're all stupid and have no long term memory???
There has been repeated discussion on John Kerrys initial support of the war, and his subsequent no vote on the funding bill. It is so clear to me why this was the case, but I havent heard a single decent answer from those representing our side. It does not seem all that complex...

I know that politicians rely on the short memory of the American people...but it really hasnt been that long since the immediate aftermath of 9/11, when it was essentially sacrilegious to go against the W administration. They rushed that Patriot Act to congress so quickly that we were still right in the middle of the post attack shock/blind patriotism mind frame.

Of course Kerry voted for it. The congress would have gone along with virtually anything W said at that time...to disagree would be political suicide. In fact, a local Congresswoman who voted against the Patriot Act (much to my delight), was widely criticized, even in liberal Berkeley, CA. I think in retrospect, most people realize that the division of powers in our government is necessary to provide checks and balances, and without it we could be subject to the whims of leaders who may not have the publics best interest at heart.

It really wasnt that much different just prior to the Iraq war. W had pumped up the public so much that I truly think people thought we could just march in there, take out Saddam, and it would be done. (Remember, the average IQ in this country is around 100...you can convince them of almost anything if you repeat it enough times.) People were still very firmly in the them verses us mind set. Again, almost anyone in Kerrys position would have supported the war at that time. Think about it, if he hadnt, he wouldnt even had made it through the primaries. (Really, think about it...go through in your mind the outcomes if he had not supported W and the war...early on he would have been seen as a traitor, then even as more people began to think more critically, he would still not have been seen as someone who could attract a wide base of supporters.) He had to do what the people wanted, regardless of his own personal feelings. This is what he was elected to do...represent his constituents.

I dont understand why the Kerry campaign just cant say this in response to the repeated questions on this issue. How about:

It is important to remember the mood of our country after the September 11th attacks. At a time when our National Security is at risk, it is vitally important for people to support our leadership. This is why it is so crucial to use your vote wisely, and elect leaders who are thoughtful and wise, who will critically examine all sides of an issue before acting. In a democracy, you must be able to trust the leader. John Kerry, and the majority of his constituents, trusted that President Bush had the welfare of the American people in mind when making such important decisions for our country. Since that time, we have all come to realize that this trust was misplaced, and that there was far more involved in Mr. Bushs decision to send our brave young men and women into Iraq. John Kerry then did the only thing a thinking person could do. Upon realizing that the public interest was not being guarded, and the public trust was being squandered, he voted against allocating a huge amount of our money to support furthering our involvement in Iraq. This was not in any way a vote against supporting our troops, but a vote to stop and rethink our mission before going ahead risking millions of dollars, but more importantly, hundreds of thousands of American lives.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:44 PM
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1. We aren't ALL stupid with no long term memory
just the majority of the American people are stupid with no long term memory.

This is the most depressing day since the Iraq war began.
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fdr_hst_fan Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:46 PM
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3. I'm just glad Kerry
DID vote against it!
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:45 PM
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2. Yes, they do. And many Americans seem to be.n/t
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gpandas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:55 PM
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4. wish he would say that...
why can't politicians say, "i was wrong then, but after further investigation, i changed my mind"? these repugs are slick,by turning bush's weakness (i never made a mistake) into strength, at the same time they make kerry's strength (honesty to admit mistakes), into weakness.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:56 PM
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5. As Jon Stewart would say. . .
"It's like they think we're retarded."
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:02 PM
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6. You Can Fool Some of the People All of the Time, If They Are a Majority...
...then we have a serious problem.

> Remember, the average IQ in this country is around 100

That average could be made up of a few really smart people and a whole lot of
rather stupid people. What is the median?

> ...you can convince them of almost anything if you repeat it enough times.

If that is true, then whoever has the most media access wins,
and that's not us.

Hoping against hope that this year can be an exception to that rule.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:23 PM
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7. Re: IQ distribution:
The mean (of the norming population) is 100, the standard deviation is 15 (Wechsler) or 16 (Stanford-Binet), and the distribution is very nearly normal. There is a small lump, a sort of secondary distribution, down on the low end several standard deviations below the mean (down in the "vegtetable" range), that one old professor of mine explained by saying, "Most of the genetic or traumatic accidents that occur to people are not good for intelligence."
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drmom Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:26 PM
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8. Good question...
>That average could be made up of a few really smart people and a whole lot of rather stupid people. What is the median?

I could not find this exact statistic, but we do know that 50% of the US population have an IQ in the range of 90-110. I also remember from med school psych classes that only about 50% of the population can think abstractly. This is why you must use simple "talking points" and repeat them often to get to a good portion of the population.

A very interesting look at IQ can be found at:

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/bell_curve_4.htm
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