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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:34 PM
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Torturing Children
The biggest story of the Iraq war is not about missing weapons of mass destruction, or about deep-cover CIA officers getting their covers blown by vengeful White House agents, or even about 896 dead American soldiers. These have been covered to one degree or another, and then summarily dismissed by the American mainstream news media. The biggest story of the Iraq war has not enjoyed any coverage in America, though it has been exploding across the international news media for several weeks now.

The biggest story of the Iraq war is about the torture of Iraqi children.

A German TV magazine called 'Report Mainz' recently aired accusations from the International Red Cross, to the effect that over 100 children are imprisoned in U.S.- controlled detention centers, including Abu Ghraib. "Between January and May of this year, we've registered 107 children, during 19 visits in 6 different detention locations," said Red Cross representative Florian Westphal in the report.

The report also outlined eyewitness testimony of the abuse of these children. Staff Sergeant Samuel Provance, who was stationed at Abu Ghraib, said that interrogating officers had pressured a 15 or 16 year old girl. Military police only stopped the interrogation when the girl was half undressed. A separate incident described a 16 year old being soaked with water, driven through the cold, smeared with mud, and then presented before his weeping father, who was also a prisoner.

Seymour Hersh, the New Yorker reporter who first broke the story of torture at Abu Ghraib, recently spoke at an ACLU convention. He has seen the pictures and the videotapes the American media has not yet shown. "The worst is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking," said Hersh. His statements follow allegations that Iraqi boys have been raped by American personnel there.

Hersh described the prison scene as, "a series of massive crimes, criminal activity by the president and the vice president, by this administration anyway," and that there has been, "a massive amount of criminal wrongdoing that was covered up at the highest command out there, and higher."

Reports of abuses at Abu Ghraib and other American prisons have been public knowledge since the release of the Taguba Report. Recently, however, some 106 annexes to the report, previously classified, have also been released. U.S. News and World Report detailed the sum of what is contained in these annexes in an article titled 'Hell on Earth.'

In it, U.S. News says, "The abuses took place, the files show, in a chaotic and dangerous environment made even more so by the constant pressure from Washington to squeeze intelligence from detainees. Riots, prisoner escapes, shootings, corrupt Iraqi guards, unsanitary conditions, rampant sexual misbehavior, bug-infested food, prisoner beatings and humiliations, and almost-daily mortar shellings from Iraqi insurgents--according to the annex to General Taguba's report, that pretty much sums up life at Abu Ghraib." According to coalition intelligence officers cited in a Red Cross report from last May, between 70% to 90% of Iraqi detainees held in these prisons were arrested "by mistake."

The orders to treat prisoners in this fashion were not manufactured by the few "bad apples" we have heard about, but came from up on high. Brig Gen Janis Karpinski, former commander of Abu Ghraib and now scapegoat for the abuses, and says the truth about where the orders came from would be revealed in the trials of the accused soldiers. Memos ordering the abuse of prisoners were signed off on by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld. The Justice Department and Mr. Bush's senior legal advisor went out of their way to craft arguments justifying this, claiming that torture isn't really torture and that the President is basically above the law.

Mr. Hersh will revisit this issue within the next several weeks. In the meantime, the American news media has an obligation to report on this situation. Photographic and videotape evidence of this torture is currently in the hands of the New Yorker, the Washington Post, the U.S. Congress and the White House. It must be released.

We invaded a country based upon the false claim that Iraq was allied with al Qaeda. We invaded a country based on the false claim that there were weapons of mass destruction which needed to be destroyed. We promised freedom and democracy, and instead installed a CIA-trained strongman named Allawi who has all but created a dictatorship in Iraq, and who has been accused of killing Iraqi prisoners by his own hand. 896 American soldiers have died so we could do this.

We took thousands of innocent civilians off the streets in Iraq and threw them into hellhole prisons, where they were beaten, raped, and killed. This story has faded from public view because no new pictures of the abuses have come out in the last several weeks. Those pictures are out there, and they show the rape and torture of children. The international media is reporting on it. Coalition ally Norway may be preparing to flee Iraq because of the allegations regarding these children.

Where is the American news media? Where are the pictures? Who is responsible for this abomination? Torturing children in the name of freedom? Is this what we have become?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:35 PM
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1. Is this on TruthOut yet? Can we send it yet?
Please?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:35 PM
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2. 8pm tonight
I will post the link when it is ready. This isn't final yet.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:36 PM
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3. ARGH!
Thanks, Will. Love ya. This is fan-Cheneying-tastic.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:41 PM
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4. Fuckin' brilliant...
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 02:54 PM by VelmaD
and brutal. Just like always. Can't wait to hear it on the overview tonight.

One nit to pick. Paragraph 9 - "Brig Gen Janis Karpinski, former commander of Abu Ghraib and now scapegoat for the abuses, and says the truth about where the orders came from would be revealed in the trials of the accused soldiers." First off you need a period after Brig. And second off that isn't a complete sentence. Would be if you took out the "and" though..."now scapegoat for the abuses, says the truth..."

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:42 PM
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5. Got it
Thanks. :)
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:54 PM
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13. You're welcome
I live to wrangle your little typos. :)
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:43 PM
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6. We bring Iraqis Hypocrisy all packaged up nicely by FOX!
WE totally need to get these pictures out as well as the order Bush and his administration condoned certain torture tactics. Bush declared on national TV that he did not break the law, we'll if raping boys is condoned by Bush's torture guidelines, then I think we have a much bigger problem than we think! How will anyone absolve him of rape when he stated that's why Saddam was such an evil person? Bush is for torturing children!!!!!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:44 PM
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7. Is this what we've "become", or are we only finally realizing what we are?
There's not an allegation coming out of Iraq that hasn't been made about US conduct in Central and South America, Vietnam, and elsewhere. Ask the new 'Ambassador' to Iraq, Mr. Negroponte, about that.

Rape, torture, death squads, civilian 'disappearances' -- nothing new under the sun for United States foreign policy. One thing that IS new is that thanks to the internet and digital cameras, the proof of these deeds was exposed to the world at large, if not the US public (yet). Perhaps one other difference is that we usually had surrogates do our dirty work for us -- this time, we did it ourselves.

So I ask again: Is this something we've become under George W. Bush, or is he simply more incompetent than his predecessors and failed to keep a lid on it like they did?

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luaneryder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:56 PM
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16. It may be more that *
doesn't care who knows that we really are that way and always have been. He seems to delight in rubbing these actions into the faces of anyone who disagrees. I don't think it's any worse than it has ever been just by the examples you have given. How can we, as a nation, defend these atrocities?
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:45 PM
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8. how old are these children anyway?
Are they like, pre-pubescent kids? Young teenagers?

Both boys and girls, or just boys?

Not that it makes any difference (or maybe it does) but I'm curious as to just how bad it really is there.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:51 PM
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11. According to reports I've heard
Both boys and girls, from very young (under 10) to teenaged.

It's bad.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:46 PM
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9. So, is there going to be a terror alert tomorrow or this week?
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:49 PM
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10. "pressured" is a strange word in that context
I think it's a mistranslation of something much more nasty.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:10 PM
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42. How about Forced
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:52 PM
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12. 'Secret film shows Iraq prisoners sodomised'
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:33 PM
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38. Thanks for the link
:(
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:54 PM
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14. Will, what's your theory on why this hasn't come out?
Why is the media in this country sitting on this. Why is Hersh waiting? Are these kids still in prison?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:00 PM
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17. I honestly don't know
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:04 PM
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21. My theory
It hasn't come out yet because the Misadministration is desperately searching for a coverup and/or denial strategy -- because when it does,
there's a possibility the Islamic world will explode with outrage and declare an all-out jihad.

Can you imagine how the wingnuts would react if someone were kidnaping and sodomizing their own kids? Multiply that by at least a factor of 10.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:09 PM
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22. Because they're lapdogs for the administration.
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 03:10 PM by VelmaD
Because they're the biggest bunch of chickenshits in recorded history. Because they're all scared to be the person out in front that takes the shots from the administration. They're a disgrace to journalism.

That's why we like your kid...no fear. :)

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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:12 PM
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26. But why hasn't Hersh put out everything he has?
I agree with you on the other media.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:16 PM
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29. I wish I knew
I've always thought he had guts but now I wonder. All I can think is that they're threatening him somehow. I'm sure they've got some legal argument they're using to keep this all hushed up and they're threatening people with jail time for violating "national security" or something like that.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:20 PM
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31. I don't understand how the evidence is public enough for so many
to have seen it, but not quite out in public.

Where did the photographic evidence come from, what was its trail, and if all these sources (and Congress!) have access to it, why hasn't it come out? Same with the testimony cited in the German media, same with the hidden parts of the Taguba report.

I'm confused.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:21 PM
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34. I don't get it either
But I figure it must be really fucking bad if they've squashed it this long.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:02 PM
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47. He might be legitimately wary of how many will die in the response.
We've all seen that the US military slaughters people wholesale when resistance gets serious. The conflagration over Fallujah in April killed many hundreds and lost the occupation for the US.

If Abu Ghraib hadn't been withheld for a few weeks, the whole country probably would have exploded and the US would have killed thousands more on the way out the door.

If I were holding a match of truth that would ignite a slaughter, I might be holding on until my fingers burned, too.

Tough responsibility to be able to set so much in motion with disclosure.

Mr. Hersh might be resigned to trickling out characterizations of his evidence and hoping it has a less bloody result than full disclosure.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:12 PM
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27. But what about Congress?
Supposedly, Congress has the evidence. Do all of them have it?

And who at the news sources cited (New Yorker, etc.) has it?

And why isn't Hersh bringing it out?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:18 PM
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30. I am guessing that Seymour Hersh is waiting until he has the goods
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 03:18 PM by emulatorloo
to really nail the higher ups . . . sounds like pretty soon now

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.j...

snip

{Hersh} accused the US administration, and all but accused President George Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney of complicity in covering up what he called "war crimes".

snip
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:11 PM
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23. Well, obviously it didn't happen.
If you can't see it, then it obviously doesn't exist.

:eyes:
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:55 PM
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15. Very Good!
Do you have the right to submit this to other papers, magazines etc...?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:00 PM
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18. After it becomes a truthout link
be my guest, and thanks!
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:30 PM
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36. I think it is so important that the story gets out
I will do what I can.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:00 PM
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19. Great article, as usual
I do have one qualm about it:

The biggest story of the Iraq war is not about missing weapons of mass destruction, or about deep-cover CIA officers getting their covers blown by vengeful White House agents, or even about 896 dead American soldiers...

The biggest story of the Iraq war is about the torture of Iraqi children.

Why is it "the biggest story"? The claim is simply counter-intuitive at first glimpse: the US ravaged a country, in the process killing anywhere between 15,000 and 40,000 civilians, fucking up the entire global balance of power and trust and dissolving alliances, all of which will inevitably result in thousands or millions deaths in the future. And on the other, you have this story of unquestionable bestial savagery, but a savagery that is neither uniquely American nor unique to this war. We all know that these kinds of things happen in most, if not all, wars that include ground combat -- wilful blind eye by the leaders included.

Now, we in America have been served such idiotic media-shaped ideas of what war is that we've almost come to believe that things like this are in the realm of, you know, "them" -- the terrorists, communists, islamofascists, invading aliens. But not us. Oh, no, we Americans are incapable of savagery. We're the good guys, the George Cloonys and the Bruce Willises, kicking ass with determination and fire, smelling of sweat and pheromones -- but never inhumane, never savage.

Is that not the sentiment -- a false sentiment -- that makes the story of child torture big? Would a parrallel universe in which this isn't a story at all not be a better one -- a universe in which when we're deciding whether to "go to war" or support going to war, we assume that things like this will happen too?

Or is the story "big" precisely because the myth of American humanity when waging war has been shattered -- and in the context of a war which, by now, all but the most uninformed or fanatical realize was a war of choice?
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jkbsun Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:20 PM
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33. It is a big story because...
We didn't send in serial killers and pedophiles to liberate Iraq. We sent United States Military . and while this country certainly has it world share of perverts and miscreants the US military is supposed to be the best of the best. And to most people the world around if you ask what is the worst crime to commit it is those against children. For they can not take care of themselves and they find it harder to understand why it is being done to them.
I also feel that because of the Nick Berg beheading right after the release of the other pictures the media feels hesitant and embarrassed to release more and worse pictures when they have cheerleaded the war and soldiers for so long. catch 22. most Americans would find it difficult to support the troops or administration after the release of that info. and would also jeopardize the troops remaining over there that are civilized individuals.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:32 PM
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37. "the US military is supposed to be the best of the best"
...and that is related to the myth I was talking about. First of all, US military isn't the best of the best -- mostly it is those who had no other economic future mixed with some macho types and some idealists who believe that they're doing a noble thing. There may be people with many other motives there as well... Either way, it isn't "the best of the best" -- it is Joe Sixpacks like the rest of us, after having gone through training whose main objectives include making you obedient to orders and numb to killing.

And if there is anything we can learn from the last 10,000 years of human history is that when put into a war, many of us will turn into beasts and savages. Thinking that Americans won't seems almost... I dunno, racist? Uber-menschen-like?
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:31 PM
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71. Don't forget - you can't be on high moral ground when you're...
beating the shit out of a 15 year old in front of his father.

Another reason not to post this information.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:47 PM
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52. Hi jkbsun!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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ursacorwin Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:38 PM
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46. while you are 100% correct
you overestimate the rational intelligence of most people. sentiment, not fact, tends to get people motivated to take action.

sorry to say it, but it's true. child-rape is something people are taught to abhor from a young age, and while fox can spin murdering the 'towelheads' as a 'good' thing, there's no way it can be done successfully for this.

besides, kerry will have a fun time with this if he's smart. "look at my new environmental initiative, and oh- have you arrested yourself yet for child-rape, Dubya?" or snazzy snarkiness of that nature.

shrub has NO response.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:02 PM
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20. I'm so upset about this. . .it has made me ill.
coupled with the stories of Alawi committing the murder of 6 individuals without any accountabilty whatsoever.

The "grown ups" in charge need to be roasted & exposed. How that will happen I'm not sure. I'm a mother and to hear the shrieks of my child without recourse. . .it is beyond that which is comprehensible.

The media better cover this soon damn it.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:49 PM
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80. I'm NOT a parent, but I can't imagine it, either.
Isn't it basic human nature to seek to help a child in trouble? How did they stop their ears to this terrible sound?

I live across from a park, which is busy quite often with kids and parents playing games of some sort or other. Play is often accompanied by yells and screams, which you learn to tune out - except for that particular pitch that signifies something extraordinary. Instantly your ears perk up and you walk to the door to see what's happened, and to make sure an adult is coming to the rescue.

So what happened at Abu Graib? Do we have a cadre of men and women who are no longer human? That's very frightening.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:11 PM
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24. Will when the Catholic Church can continue to deny things like this
going on around the world and even here at DU it gets little attention when reported I'm not suprised at all by the American Media ignoring it, most people here do.

Sex scandal draws intense interest in Austria

It started early in the week when the Austrian weekly news magazine Profil published photographs of the rector and deputy rector of the seminary, the main training school for priests in this area of Austria, just west of Vienna, in which they appeared to be kissing and fondling seminary students. The publication of the photographs came some months after thousands of images, apparently downloaded from child pornography Web sites, appeared on seminary computers, prompting a police investigation.

The disclosures took on added importance because the person in charge of the St. Plten Seminary is Bishop Kurt Krenn, for decades a prominent and outspoken conservative. Venerated by members of Austria's small ultraconservative Catholic groups he is reviled by many liberals, who have long seen him as a major obstacle to reform.

A Vienna prosecutor was expected to announce early next week the results of a police investigation into the child pornography allegations, and whether formal charges will be filed. Meanwhile, on Friday, Austrian radio reported that the prosecutor, Walter Nemec, had found child pornography on computers at several different locations in the seminary, a suggestion that viewing such images, which is illegal in Austria, was widespread.

Krenn was unavailable for comment but his spokesman, Micheal Dinhobl, defended the comments the bishop had made in the case. While the photographs published in Profil suggest serious impropriety, he said, they were not conclusive evidence and should not be used to destroy the reputations of the people pictured in them. Krenn, he added, has been trying to protect the two seminary leaders from, as he put it, "being destroyed in the press without a real investigation."

more
http://www.iht.com/articles/529922.html

Pope to probe porn scandal
Vienna - Pope John Paul II will personally examine a sex and pornography scandal engulfing the Austrian Catholic church, said the mass-circulation Kronen Zeitung on Sunday.

The newspaper said Vatican officials would submit documents concerning the scandal to the pontiff following his return from holidays in the Aosta Valley and resumption of duties on Monday.

The scandal revolves around some 40 000 pornographic photos and a number of films discovered on computers at a seminary in St. Poelten, west of Vienna.

Seminary bishop Kurt Krenn has incensed critics with his dismissal of some of the material as "childish pranks at a Christmas celebration" and his steadfast refusal to resign.

The head and deputy head of the seminary have already quit, but 68-year-old Krenn says he will only go if told to by the Pope.

more
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_15 ...

Pope 'to run' church sex probe
From Daniel Aronssohn in Vienna
July 19, 2004

But now the affair has taken a more serious turn with allegations that activities at the seminary went further than canoodling among adolescent seminarians and the staff.

"Photographs of child pornography have been found in several computers belonging to several people" at the seminary, said the prosecutor of St Poelten, Walter Nemec, adding that he had received "new complaints about sexual aggression against minors".

He said he would give more details about the investigation within the next 24 hours.

Prosecutors have been investigating alleged child abuse at the seminary for several months, but the issue came to a head when Profil published the photographs, and alleged that police had found up to 40,000 pornographic photographs,


including scenes of sex with children and animals.
more
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,1017930 ...

Bishop defiant over sex scandal
The director of the seminary, Ulrich Kuechl, has already resigned, as has his deputy Wolfgang Rothe.

The Austrian Church has not forgotten a previous sex scandal, when Cardinal Hans Hermann Groer was replaced in 1995 amid allegations that he had molested young boys.

The director of the seminary, Ulrich Kuechl, has already resigned, as has his deputy Wolfgang Rothe.

The Austrian Church has not forgotten a previous sex scandal, when Cardinal Hans Hermann Groer was replaced in 1995 amid allegations that he had molested young boys.
more
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3897449.stm

Austrian bishop derides orgy claims
Ian Traynor
Tuesday July 13, 2004
The Guardian
Bishop Krenn became the principal target of the campaign. But he is believed to have powerful allies among conservatives in the Vatican and the Pope demonstrated his support by visiting the diocese in 1998.
Rome's long silence in the face of the lies, hypocrisy, and scandals is a severe test for the faithful," he said.
more
http://www.guardian.co.uk/austria/article/0,2763,125969 ...



Thanks to
Minstrel Boy
Some things are too terrible to be true, and yet are.

Anyone remember last year's headline "Alleged Pedophiles Helm Blair's War Room"? (http://www.counterpunch.org/james01292003.html ) That story was quickly quashed on "national security" grounds.

Or the headline from 1989: "Homosexual Prostitution Inquiry Ensares VIPS with Reagan, Bush - Call boys took midnight tour of White House"? (http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/02/1570946.php ) That story was so beyond belief, most everyone pretends it never happened.

Or the recent spate of international cases of murderous pedophile rings, catering to their nation's elites, and in turn protected by them?

If you don't remember, learn about them here. It's depressing as hell, because it is hell. But if we don't know the nature of the enemy, and admit that they really are this evil, then we'll never defeat them.
Pedophile Politicians Scandal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Connection between child trafficking in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Videos exist of satanic ritual abuse committed by US military and mercs.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Paedophilic Repugs, rape, whoring, attempted murder and the BFEE
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Conspiracy of Silence...MUST SEE!!!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
George Bush, Pedophiles & The CIA (Bush's UN Speech)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
From 1997-evidence of the systemic nature of US torture and abuse
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Children face sex risk at US schools (Guardian)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...










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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:12 PM
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25. Go Will.
:kick: for the kids...


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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:15 PM
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28. Sooo right, Will! This unfuckingbelievable story is the BushCo killer!
NOBODY - not even FAUX News can spin this in a positive way! Bushler authorized the use of torture with a presidential directive - this stuff was widely known and reported by UNICEF! White House Busheviks are guilty of covering up and/or condoning war crimes! Mainstream press should be raked over the coals for covering this up! When were they planning on releasing it - Nov. 3rd?

:puke:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:20 PM
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32. Excellent Will!
I hope the mainstream press picks up on this and finally meets their obligation to inform the public no matter how unpalatable it is.

:yourock:
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:23 PM
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35. Kick
:kick:
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:48 PM
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39. Kick (n/t)
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:50 PM
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40. Powerful Very Powerful writing

Thank You William Pitt !

Come On 8pm
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:53 PM
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41. Where is the American news media indeed?
The Iraqi torture abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib hasn't been fully investigated, and no one in the military chain of command has been made to answer for it. We can not let this fall off the short attention span of media and Americans. These are war criminals and they need to punished for their sick actions, all the way to the top. No one has the right to torture children, no matter what. This is so much more depraved than what the people have been told about. We know the American people do not approve of torture and they certainly aren't going to be happy about these cases either. Where is congress on this, where is the bu$h administration on punishing these pedophiles? They know about these cases and yet they remain silent. How can they live with themselves?

I agree that it took having the sensational pictures for the abuse to get any media coverage and outrage from the public.

I am so sorry for the inhumanities imposed on these children and their families. And I am ashamed of my government and media for not taking on these monsters, and holding them accountable.

Sonia
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allemand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:11 PM
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43. a minor correction
First, I have to say that I am very glad that you are taking up this story. The torture already happened and I hope that it stopped when the scandal broke. But these children probably ARE still being held in detention and only pressure by the American people and the American media will allow them to be reunited with their families.

There is, though, a minor correction I would like to suggest:
You write:
"Staff Sergeant Samuel Provance, who was stationed at Abu Ghraib, said that interrogating officers had pressured a 15 or 16 year old girl. Military police only stopped the interrogation when the girl was half undressed."

Well, it seems that there was no "interrogation" at all. As Provance told abcnews:

"Provance also described an incident when two drunken interrogators took a female Iraqi prisoner from her cell in the middle of the night and stripped her naked to the waist. The men were later restrained by another MP."

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Investigation/abu_gh...

The undressing and beating of the 12 year old girl, as described by Suhaib al-Baz, apparently was for interrogation purposes.

The information about the torturing of children contained in the German report is not completely new. I tracked some of it down in this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

What is new are the reports of the ICRC and UNICEF. Unfortunately, Florian Westphal made his statement in German. Probably he already went out of his way to make that statement. But unless he repeats it in English in an official press conference, I seriously doubt that the American media is going to run with this story.

Finally, what was so shocking about that internal UNICEF report was not only that at least 107 children are being held, but that they are being held in "indetermined custody without contact to the family, the prospect of a process or trial.

A prison is no place for children, in my view. But keeping them in detention AND without contact to their family - this is simply unbearable.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:35 PM
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45. I understand your thought

" I seriously doubt that the American media is going to run with this story."

There are still good people in News Media Does Faux CNN NBC MSNBC
ABC want to report this NO they would rather take a bullet to the head rather than have to betray their Corporate Masters & report this.

Fortunately Media has to do more than just Manufacture Consent It's also about $$$$ how many Eyeballs are glued to the Screen.

TruthOut will report this

Sy Hersh will Expose all the inhumanity in the New Yorker

CBS-Viacom Will report this IMO

Charlie Rose will report this

Indy Media Greg Palast ETC

Every left leaning News Website in the USA will report this.

The biggy is CBS-Viacom if we can get them onboard.

Then Faux CNN NBC MSNBC
ABC ARE FUCKED IMO And so is Bush & Rumsfeld & CO




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Amaya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:12 PM
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44. "Where is the American news media?"
Mainstream journalism feeds the American public with what it wants to hear.

IMO
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:23 PM
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48. Kick
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:37 PM
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49. Thanks Will...eagerly awaiting your Truthout posting
Perhaps now we'll witness the White House spinning into a meltdown, or see the relative validity to the statement:

"bush could be videotaped raping a child on the White House lawn, and his base supporters would claim: 'There must be a good reason for it...someone forced him to do it...God told him to do it...Rush will explain why it had to be done...'"
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:38 PM
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50. LINK TO FINAL
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 08:46 PM
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54. Thanks You so much for this!
Busy sending it OUT.

Hope Others will do the same.


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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:05 PM
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56. For the Love of all that is Decent Email this Article


It's easy go to the Link Click on Email this Story

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/072004A.shtml#

Send it to 5 People or News Media contacts.

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56. part 3


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Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Frank Davies, Washington Correspondent fdavies@krwashington.com Phone: (202) 383-6000; Fax: (202) 383-6075; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Miami Herald below)
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - David Goldstein, Washington Correspondent dgoldstein@krwashington.com Phone: (202) 383-6105; Fax: (202) 383-6100; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Kansas City Star below) also dgoldstein@kcstar.com
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Steve Goldstein, Washington Correspondent slgoldstein@krwashington.com Phone: (202) 383-6000; Fax: (202) 383-6075; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Charles Hurt, Washington Correspondent churt@charlotteobserver.com Phone: (202) 383-6000; Fax: (202) 383-6075; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Charlotte Observer below)
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Ron Hutcheson, White House Correspondent rhutcheson@krwashington.com Phone: (202) 383-6057; Fax: (202) 383-6075; Address: Washington Bureau, Washington, DC 20045
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Tim Johnson, Washington Correspondent tjohnson@krwashington.com Phone: (202) 383-6000; Fax: (202) 383-6075; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Miami Herald below)
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Lauren Markoe, Washington Correspondent : lmarkoe@krwashington.com Phone: (202) 383-6000; Fax: (202) 383-6075; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Chris Mondics, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: (202) 383-6000; Fax: (202) 383-6075; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Philadelphia Inquirer below)
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Peter Nicholas, Washington Correspondent pnicholas@phillynews.com Phone: (202) 383-6000; Fax: (202) 383-6075; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Philadelphia Inquirer below)
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Jim Puzzanghera, Washington Correspondent jpuzzangherra@krwashington.com Phone: (202) 383-6043; Fax: (202) 383-6075; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see San Jose below)
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Maria Recio, Washington Correspondent mrecio@krwashington.com Phone: (202) 383-6103; Fax: (202) 383-6100; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Fort Worth Star-Telegram below)
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Matt Stearns, Washington Correspondent mstearns@krwashington.com Phone: (202) 383-6009; Fax: (202) 383-6100; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Kansas City Star below)
Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Tom Webb, Washington Correspondent twebb@pioneerpress.com Phone: (202) 383-6049; Fax: (202) 383-6075; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Saint Paul Pioneer Press below)
McClatchy Newspapers - Kevin Diaz, Washington Correspondent kdiaz@mcclatchydc.com Phone: (202) 383-0003; Fax: (202) 393-2229; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Minneapolis Star-Tribune below)
McClatchy Newspapers - Greg Gordon, Washington Correspondent ggordon@startribune.com Phone: (202) 383-0005; Fax: (202) 393-2229; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Minneapolis Star-Tribune below)
McClatchy Newspapers - Rob Hotakainen, Washington Correspondent rhotakainen@mcclatchydc.com Phone: (202) 383-0009; Fax: (202) 393-2229; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Minneapolis Star-Tribune below)
McClatchy Newspapers - Liz Ruskin, Washington Correspondent lruskin@mcclatchydc.com Phone: (202) 393-2228; Fax: (202) 393-2229; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Anchorage Daily News below)
McClatchy Newspapers - John Wagner, Washington Correspondent jwagner@mcclatchydc.com Phone: (202) 662-4380; Fax: (202) 393-2229; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Raleigh News & Observer below)


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maggrwaggr (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-04 09:45 PM
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57. part next (?)


Media General News Service - Kevin Begos, Washington Correspondent kbegos@media-general.com Phone: (202) 662-7672; Fax: (202) 662-7675; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Winston-Salem Journal below)
Media General News Service - Keith Epstein, Washington Correspondent kepstein@mediageneral.com Phone: (202) 662-7660; Fax: (202) 662-7675; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Tampa Tribune below)
Media General News Service - John Hall, Senior Washington Correspondent jhall@media-general.com Phone: (202) 662-7664; Fax: (202) 662-7675; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045
Media General News Service - Peter Hardin, Washington Correspondent : phardin@mediageneral.com Phone: (202) 662-7669; Fax: (202) 662-7675; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Richmond Times-Dispatch below)
Media General News Service - Kirsten Mitchell, Washington Correspondent kmitchell@media-general.com Phone: (202) 662-7660; Fax: (202) 662-7675; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045
Medill News Service - Samantha Santa Maria, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: (202) 662-1836; Fax: (202) 662-1847; Address: 1325 G St NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see Gulfport Sun Herald below)
Nation Magazine - John Nichols, Washington Correspondent (fantastic guy - why can't John be at the Press conferences?!?!) info@thenation.com (attn John Nichols) Phone: (202) 546-2239; Fax: (202) 546-1415; Address: 110 Maryland Ave NE, Washington, DC 20002
NBC News - Campbell Brown, White House Correspondent campbell.brown@nbc.com Phone: (202) 885-4363; Fax: (202) 885-4460; Address: 4001 Nebraska Ave NW, Washington, DC 20016
NBC News - David Gregory, White House Correspondent david.gregory@nbc.com Phone: (202) 885-4200; Fax: (202) 362-2009; Address: 4001 Nebraska Ave NW, Washington, DC 20016
Newhouse News Service - Bruce Alpert, Washington Correspondent balpert431@aol.com Phone: (202) 383-7861; Fax: (202) 296-9537; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see New Orleans below)
Newhouse News Service - Jim Barnett, Washington Correspondent jim.barnett@newhouse.com Phone: (202) 383-7819; Fax: (202) 383-7860; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Portland Oregonian below)
Newhouse News Service - Robert Cohen, Washington Correspondent robert.cohen@newhouse.com Phone: (202) 383-7823; Fax: (202) 383-7804; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Newark Star-Ledger below)
Newhouse News Service - Terence Kivlan, Washington Correspondent terence.kivlan@newhouse.com Phone: (202) 383-7826; Fax: (202) 296-9537; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036
Newhouse News Service - Mark Libbon, Washington Correspondent : mark.libbon@newhouse.com Phone: (202) 383-7818; Fax: (202) 296-9537; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Syracuse Post-Standard below)
Newhouse News Service - Brett Lieberman, Washington Correspondent blieberman@patriot-news.com Phone: (202) 383-7833; Fax: (202) 296-9537; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Harrisburg Patriot-News below)
Newhouse News Service - Mary Orndorff, Washington Correspondent mary.orndorff@newhouse.com Phone: (202) 383-7837; Fax: (202) 296-9537; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036
Newhouse News Service - Scott Orr, Washington Correspondent scott.orr@newhouse.com Phone: (202) 383-7816; Fax: (202) 296-9537; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Newark Star-Ledger below)
Newhouse News Service - Sean Reilly, Washington Correspondent sean.reilly@newhouse.com Phone: (202) 383-7815; Fax: (202) 296-9537; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Mobile Register below)
Newhouse News Service - Bill Walsh, Washington Correspondent bill.walsh@newhouse.com Phone: (202) 383-7817; Fax: (202) 296-9537; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see New Orleans Times-Picayune below)
Newsday - Deborah Barfield Berry, Washington Correspondent deborah.barfield@newsday.com Phone: (202) 626-8476; Fax: (202) 393-7043; Address: 1730 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006
Newsday - Kenneth Fireman, White House Correspondent ken.fireman@newsday.com Phone: (202) 626-8472; Fax: (202) 393-7043; Address: 1730 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006
Newsweek Magazine - Martha Brant (aka "Martita"), White House Correspondent letters@newsweek.com (attn Martha Brant) Phone: (202) 626-2032; Fax: (202) 626-2011; Address: 1750 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006 http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/834704.asp
New Yorker Magazine - Seymour Hersch, Washington Correspondent themail@newyorker.com (attn Seymour Hersch) Phone: (212) 286-2860; Fax: (212) 286-5047; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036
New Yorker Magazine - Joe Klein, Washington Correspondent joe_klein@newyorker.com Phone: (212) 286-2860; Fax: (212) 286-5047; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036
New Yorker Magazine - Nicholas Lemann, Washington Correspondent nick_lemann@newyorker.com Phone: (212) 286-2860; Fax: (212) 286-5047; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036
New Yorker Magazine - Jane Mayer, Washington Correspondent jane_mayer@newyorker.com Phone: (212) 286-2860; Fax: (212) 286-5047; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036


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maggrwaggr (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-04 09:46 PM
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58. part 5


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NPR - Pam Fessler, Washington Correspondent pfessler@npr.org Phone: (202) 513-2000; Fax: (202) 513-3329; Address: 635 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753
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Reuters America - Steve Holland, 46, White House Correspondent steve.holland@reuters.com Phone: (202) 898-8392; Fax: (202) 898-8383; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005
Reuters America - Lawrence McQuillan, White House Correspondent editor@reuters.com (attn Lawrence McQuillan) Phone: (202) 898-8300; Fax: (202) 898-8383; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see USA Today)
Reuters America - Randall Mikkelsen, White House Correspondent randall.mikkelsen@reuters.com Phone: (202) 898-8392; Fax: (202) 898-8383; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005
Reuters America - Arshad Mohammed, White House Correspondent arshad.mohammed@reuters.com Phone: (202) 898-8392; Fax: (202) 898-8383; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005
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Reuters America - Patricia Wilson, White House Correspondent : patricia.wilson@reuters.com Phone: (202) 898-8300; Fax: (202) 898-8383; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005
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Stephens Media Group - Tony Batt, Washington Correspondent tbatt@stephensmedia.com Phone: (202) 783-1760; Fax: (202) 783-1955; Address: 666 11th St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Las Vegas Review-Journal)
Stephens Media Group - Samantha Young, Washington Correspondent syoung@stephensmedia.com Phone: (202) 783-1760; Fax: (202) 783-1955; Address: 666 11th St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Asheboro Courier-Tribune below)
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Talk Radio News Service - Ellen Ratner, White House Correspondent dougstephan@radioamerica.org (attn Ellen Ratner) Phone: (202) 408-0944; Fax: (202) 408-1087; Address: 1030 15th St NW, Washington, DC 20005
Talk Radio News Service - Gareth Schweltzer, White House Correspondent letters@talkradionews.com (attn Gareth Schweltzer) Phone: (202) 337-5322; Fax: (202) 337-1174; Address: 2541 Mill Rd NW, Washington, DC 20007
Talk Radio News Service - Adam Sharon, White House Correspondent : letters@talkradionews.com (attn Adam Sharon) Phone: (202) 337-5322; Fax: (202) 337-1174; Address: 2541 Mill Rd NW, Washington, DC 20007
Time Magazine - Jay Carney, White House Correspondent letters@time.com (attn to Jay Carney) Phone: (202) 861-4056; Fax: (202) 861-4085; Address: 555 12th St NW, Washington, DC 20004
Time Magazine - John Dickerson, White House Correspondent letters@time.com (attn to John Dickerson) Phone: (202) 861-4086; Fax: (202) 861-4085; Address: 555 12th St NW, Washington, DC 20004
Univision - Lourdes Meluza, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: (202) 783-7155; Fax: (202) 737-6039; Address: 444 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001
UPI - Kathy Gambrell, White House Correspondent kgambrell@upi.com
Phone: (202) 898-8000; Fax: (202) 898-8057; Address: World Headquarters, 1510 H Street, Washington, DC 20005
UPI - Nicholas M. Horrock, White House Editor nhorrock@upi.com
Phone: (202) 898-8000; Fax: (202) 898-8057; Address: World Headquarters, 1510 H Street, Washington, DC 20005
USA Radio Network - Connie Lawn, White House Correspondent conniel@usaradio.com Phone: (972) 484-3900; Fax: (972) 243-3489; Address: 2290 Springlake Rd, Dallas, TX 75234
USA Today - Mimi Hall, White House Reporter mhall@usatoday.com Phone: (202) 906-8155; Fax: (202) 906-8220; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005
USA Today - Laurence McQuillan, White House Reporter lmcquillan@usatoday.com Phone: (202) 906-8154; Fax: (202) 906-8220; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see Reuters)
U.S. News & World Report - Kenneth Walsh, Chief White House Correspondent kwalsh@usnews.com Phone: (202) 955-2502; Fax: (202) 955-2049; Address: 1050 Thomas Jefferson St, Washington, DC 20007
Village Voice - James Ridgeway, Washington Correspondent jridgeway@villagevoice.com Phone: (202) 331-7718; Address: 1312 18th St NW, Washington, DC 20036
Wall Street Journal - Jeanne Cummings, White House Correspondent jeanne.cummings@awsj.com Phone: (202) 862-6628; Fax: (202) 862-9266; Address: 1025 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036
Wall Street Journal - Greg Hitt, White House Correspondent greg.hitt@wsj.com Phone: (202) 862-9200; Fax: (202) 862-9266; Address: 1025 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036
WorldNet Daily - Les Kinsolving les@wcbm.com


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maggrwaggr (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-04 09:46 PM
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59. part 6


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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:39 PM
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51. .
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:57 PM
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53. Torture fatigue
Ratings, ratings, ratings - just give the people the stories they want, and be careful not to appear unpatriotic.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 09:55 PM
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55. *
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:13 PM
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57. More info
scottxyz (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-19-04 09:06 PM
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Testimony from Abu Ghraib prisoner who witnessed boy being raped (WaPo)

Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 09:08 PM by scottxyz
This is a shocking document. Not for the faint of heart.

"I saw {name deleted} f***ing a kid, his age would be about 15-18 years. ... I saw {name deleted} who was wearing his military uniform putting his dick in the kid's ass..."

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/abugh ...
(This is a two-page Adobe Acrobat PDF file at the Washington Post websit. May be easier to view if you right-click, save, then open on your machine.)



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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:15 PM
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58. Link Broken n/t
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:39 PM
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62. Try this instead
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:49 PM
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63. I got it.
Whoever laid that page out seems to have made it mind-bogglingly hard to read. The link text is almost impossible to make out.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/abugh...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/abughra...
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:23 PM
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59. Not that I doubt this in the least, but what are your sources?
Because whatever they are, I'd like to read them on a daily basis.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:29 PM
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60. Thanks Will - but what can WE do?
Your several postings about this on DU are absolutely admirable. I agree that this is probably the darkest and ugliest part of this war. I feel helpless.

I've looked for the report that UNICEF has apparently compiled on its website about this, but there is no reference to it whatsoever. I understand that groups like UNICEF intentionally keep these reports private and try to work with governments behind the scenes, in order not to ruffle any political feathers. Chances are, we'll never see the official report.

What can we do? Should we be contacting children's rights organizations? What about the ACLU? I know it would produce no results, but what about imploring several human rights organizations to file a Freedom Of Information Act request to get the video tapes or any documentation referring to the incarceration of these civilian children? Of course they're going to be the most highly classified documents at the Pentagon. But the publicity over such a request would be enough. Is that an absurd notion? I wish there was something I could do other than read these many posts on DU about this horrible situation.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:38 PM
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61. "I wish there was something I could do "
There is


Hammer This Story INTO THEIR SKULLS

Time for Our Talking Point!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...




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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:52 PM
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64. Grrrrrr!!!
:grr: :mad: :nuke:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:54 PM
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65. "But where are the reporters telling about the GOOD things that child rape
accomplishes?" (/Hannity Faux paraphrase)
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:07 AM
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66. KICK.
:dem: :kick:
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:15 AM
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67. bump
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:12 AM
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68. *
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:07 AM
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69. This is what some Americans have become, Will. Child rapists and torturers
In uniform or privatized, like Dyn Corp :grr: It is systemic, or the CIA wouldn't have manuals on "Coercive Questioning", there wouldn't be a School of the Americas or Blackwater Security or a place for the war criminals in the world market.

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Deb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 10:24 AM
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70. It goes beyond Iraq, where are those monsters now ?
Has the bush Administration given known child rapists a free pass to walk American streets too? There is nothing to indicate otherwise.

Silence by the bush Administration and the American news media is endangering ALL children, not just Iraq's. I've a total loss for the words to express my repulsion and dismay.

Thanks Will
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:39 PM
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72. thank you Will
nt
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:40 PM
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73. Awesome, Will.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:09 PM
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74. Hell Yes!
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:25 PM
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75. UPI NewsTrack TopNews
BAGHDAD, July 17 (UPI) -- American journalist Seymour Hersh has said there are videotapes of American soldiers sodomizing young Iraqi boys at Abu Ghraib prison.

The investigative journalist, one of the first to break the story of prisoner abuses, said the Bush administration is holding the tapes of these acts, Aljazeera.net reported Saturday.

"The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling, and the worst part is the soundtrack, of the boys shrieking. And this is your government at war," he said.

More

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040717-094145...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:44 PM
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76. Kick for the truth.
The awful TRUTH.
:dem: :kick:
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:55 PM
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77. I'm surprised to see the Moonie Times print that
That's defo good news.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:19 PM
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78. More will Print but we have to
Hammer It.
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TA Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:39 PM
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79. Thanks Will, You have done so much to spread the word
As I posted before, your speech before the Veterans Against the War in San Francisco oh so long ago was the moment I realized that others thought something was terribly wrong with our Government and it was OK to speak out. Thank you
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phillysuse Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 09:21 PM
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81. Torturing Children and Sodomy
Is this what Bush really meant to say:

LEAVE NO CHILD'S BEHIND?
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 11:27 AM
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82. Where has this story gone? Is it pure hogwash or is it true? If it's
true, why hasn't it been released?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 11:45 AM
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83. x(
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:42 PM
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84. THIS is the article that caused my rightwinger friends' heads to explode
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