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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:44 PM
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Just Re-Read 1984
Though I always realized Bushco was a bit of an Orwellian nightmare, I didn't realize JUST how much until I re-read the book.

In my earlier reading I was more focused on the thought-control aspects of the story.

This time around I was taken by the never-ending war scenario, since it's so much the case of the never-ending "war on terror". Bushco has actually done Orwell one better - rather than a never ending war with equally advantaged opponents have a war on a CONCEPT. Impossible to win, impossible to end.

Between that and the revision of history and the thoughtpolice, I can't help but think even Orwell would be a bit shocked at how quickly and overtly his vision is becoming reality.
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:46 PM
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1. scarey isn't it.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:46 PM
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2. Animal Farm is also a necessity
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:48 PM
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3. I'd like to re-read it...its been about 23 years...I'm just not sure I'm
..ready to be even more creeped out by the similarities w/ Bu$h and this administration....


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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:49 PM
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4. it is scary
i just re-read it myself. amazing that this could be happening when this book is required reading in half the high schools in this country.
yup, instituting good old fashioned values they are- fascist values.
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:52 PM
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5. Agreed
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:56 PM
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9. Lovely! But I think you need Ashcroft there
If anyone should be associated with the Anti Sex League it's Ashcroft.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:53 PM
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6. "War with Iraq? We've always been at war with Iraq."


-MR
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xocolatl Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:09 PM
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14. Nope: Iraq is our ally
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 01:10 PM by xocolatl
We've always been at war with Iran. See U.S. exploring possible Iran-9/11 link

(Edit: fixed typo.)
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:54 PM
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7. The 1984 society is ultimately doomed to failure
either from resource depletion or lack of innovation. If all the wars are fake then the ability to power the propaganda press, the TV factories and the various ministries will expire. In order to survive Eurasia would actually have to fight Oceania to survive. Doublespeak and all the other Orwellian themes would have to disappear in order for any of the three big powers to survive.

The lack of societal progress either towards enlightenment or collapse is the most depressing aspect of the novel because it underscores the hopelessness and inability of the individual to have any meaningful impact on the world around him.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:55 PM
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8. Two parts Orwell, 1 part Huxley. Yep.
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 12:56 PM by Cat Atomic
Supporters use doublethink, the apathetic go to the "feelies" and take soma, and the rest of us slowly go nuts.
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:58 PM
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10. Right, don't forget Brave New World REVISITED
You reminded me to take my soma :)
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xocolatl Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:07 PM
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13. And 3 parts _Brazil_
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:00 PM
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11. Orwell Meant It As A Warning, Bushco. Uses It For A Blueprint
n/t
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:05 PM
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12. F911 quoted 1984, Book Two, Chapter IX,, "War is Peace"
It's the reason for 9/11/01
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