LIHOPpers/MIHOPpers - Are you pissed at Moore

[Delano]

for not implying any BushCo complicity in F-911?

Just wondering...

[NMDemDist2]

1. i saw some implication of that

very subtle, but there

[LittleApple81]

2. At this point, all we need is to support Michael. Being pissed for one

reason or another is not going to help us. If we get him out, we have a chance to investigate. And he is controversial enough in his film (from what I hear, because I have no theater within 150 miles to be able to watch it).

[Delano]

11. Well, I went yesterday and enjoyed the film immensely.

I'm looking fortward to the DVD, and hoping it includes a lot of what was left out of the theatrical release (though I'm not expecting any LIHOP/MIHOP stuff)

Although I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Bushco did pull a LIHOP (I would be surprised if it was MIHOP), I really don't think there's enough evidence to make a compelling case for it at all...

[Must_B_Free]

3. Nope

he calculated his best shot and took it.

You can't do everything. He picked what best he could prove, apparently.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

4. No, because to have any credibility with mainstream viewers,

he had to stick with facts that he could document.

I think you could read LIHOP or MIHOP between the lines, but the evidence Moore presents is damning enough.

[codegreen]

5. nah...but wish he'd have brought up black box voting, '04 Florida scrub...

would have made a good full circle to the beginning of the film to discuss that near the end

[StandUpGuy]

26. I Agree

I think though that the Dem's in general don't want people to think that there is no point in voting.

[MindPilot]

6. Absolutely not!!

The focus was how Bush USED 9-11 to advance his agenda. The "how" and "why" of 9-11 itself is so complex, I think any attempt to address that in the movie would've just given THEM more ammo to attack Moore's cred.

[never cry wolf]

7. Naw, he really couldn't

If he would have just blatantly came out with it the whole production would have been quickly dismissed. He put enough facts out there for the sheeple to wonder, though, and to want some more answers, IMO.

[number6]

8. no

..

[leeroysphitz]

9. I personally lean toward

MIHOP but until some enterprising, brave (and probably non-existent) journalist or official reveals some fairly incontrovertible facts concerning this I think it only hurts our cause to bring it up and makes us look like conspiracy theorist "kooks"

[jjmalonejr]

10. A LIHOPer/MIHOPer got pissed during the screening I went to...

...declared "That's it!" in the middle of the movie, got up, started to walk out and yelled "This is BULLSHIT!" from the back of the theater and started to go on a rant, citing www.infowars.com etc.

People told him to shut up and get out so we could watch the movie.

He was a jerk.

[efhmc]

12. How do you know he was not a freeper?

[jjmalonejr]

18. Most freepers are generally not familiar with LIHOP/MIHOP and infowars.com

Plus I live in Hollywood.

Not many freepers here, but lots of tinfoil hatters.

[Zomby Woof]

16. tinfoilers usually are jerks

They have a paranoid, immature persecution complex. Just witness how they behave on DU.

Moore pretty much said that there was no grand conspiracy behind Carlyle - that their sole purpose was to make money, and lots of it.

Profit is the only language repukes understand. Once you understand that, there is no need for fanciful flights of paranoid fancy.

Too bad for the tinfoiler. Moore didn't tell him what he wanted to hear about Carlyle, and didn't even mention Skull & Bones, lol.

[TomNickell]

25. Amen. /nt

[chelaque liberal]

13. If he covered everything I would like included

the movie would have to be 10 hours long. I think it got a little too diluted as it was, ie the Oregon trooper. Important stuff, needs to be told, but it can't all happen at the same time.

[amazona]

14. no

While I'm satisfied that * knew something was coming and let it happen, this film was about putting facts out there and leaving the speculation and inferences to the viewer. I don't have a problem with taking that tack, indeed, I think it makes the film more watchable for a lot of people. Some will cry sensationalism any way, but the film bends over backwards to avoid even a hint of sensationalism to my mind, and that's a good thing when trying to attract a wider audience.

[stickdog]

15. That would have been too much for anybody but "the choir" to digest.

[benburch]

17. Not at all.

Moore had a particular case to make and he made it. LIHOP would have detracted from that considerably.

[candy]

19. Okay,I give up! What does LIHOP and MIHOP mean?

I've only been around a couple of months?

Thanks!

[Delano]

20. The theories that BushCo either...

Let It Happen Op or Made It Happen Op - as in covert ops...

[candy]

21. Gotcha! Thanks again.

[LunaC]

22. Baby steps

Like a raw egg, one must crack the shell of the sheeple psyche gently, calmly and slowly. Moore gave the 'merikun public the first taste of "Bush* is EVIL" to wrap their little brains around. The seed has been planted. All else will fall into place in time. Patience, Grasshopper. Patience.

Now if anyone wants to stoke the fire with gasoline, print out copies of the following tidbits as handouts for the folks leaving the theatre in stunned outrage and see if you can generate another lightbulb going on......

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So far, no one has offered a plausible explanation for the following sequence of events:

In May 2001 the U.S. State Department met with Iran, German and Italian officials to discuss Afghanistan. It was decided that the ruling Taliban would be toppled and a "broad-based government" would control the country so a gas pipeline could be built there.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/7969.pdf .
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


Even as plans were being made to remove the Taliban rulers from power, Colin Powell announced a $43 million "gift" to Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-09170...
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html


Meanwhile, the U.S. Embassy in the UAE received a call that Bin Laden supporters were in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives. It was rumored that Bin Laden was interested in hijacking U.S. aircraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf

In June 2001 the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense was changed. NORAD’s military commanders could no longer issue the command to launch fighter jets because approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld.

http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage2.asp

In July 2001, the private plot formulated in May for toppling the Taliban was divulged during the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Immediately after the conference, American, Russian, German and Pakistani officials secretly met in Berlin to finalize the strategy for military strikes against the Taliban, scheduled to begin before mid-October 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,55...


In September 2001 the "catastrophic and catalyzing" modern-day Pearl Harbor envisioned years earlier by the White House members of the PNAC came to pass when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked with U.S. aircraft. Immediately, the finger of blame was pointed at Osama bin Laden, a former CIA operative with ties to Afghanistan. Suddenly, the U.S. "gift" of $43 million to the Taliban in May was cast in a new light. Coincidentally, Pakistan had participated in the plan to attack Afghanistan and the chief of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence agency was later linked to a 911 hijacker after wiring him $100,00 just days before the WTC fell.

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/...


In October 2001, with flags waving, crowds cheering, and anthems playing, the "War On Terror" and the hunt for Osama began when Afghanistan was attacked right on schedule of July's secret meeting

For details on the PNAC coup of the White House see "The Whispering Campaign" link below.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Myra]

23. Gee, let's pick one of the bravest men in the world - Michael Moore

And pick apart everything he does.

No one film can describe every crime of the Bush klan.
There aren't enough hours.

I'm grateful for what he has in it.

[LTR]

24. Are you kidding me?

LIHOP/MIHOP in his film would have ruined him. Nobody's ready to believe that stuff yet!

Patience, young grasshoppers. Patience.