Sorry. I don't want to hear anymore about Bill Clinton....

[kentuck]

I counted 6 threads about him on the first page of GD as I write this. It appears he is even sucking the oxygen out of DU also? There are too many important issues and events happening to get bogged down in some type of Clintonmania, in my opinion. I realize that the Big Dawg has a lot of fans here on DU but I will not sacrifice the hard work everyone has done to fight the Bush regime just so Bill Clinton's ego can be assuaged. I remember losing the House, the Senate, the state houses and legislatures and I do not wish to sit here and watch Kerry disappear in the polls as we idolize Bill Clinton...Just my opinion.

[NMDemDist2]

1. Clinton's are still the rock stars of the party

the book press will be over in a few weeks, and hopefully he will give Kerry a bump (ala rayguns)

[rogerashton]

2. It's the Clego that's the problem.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/8964891.htm?1c

[wellstone_democrat]

I'll take it over the Reagan-mania of last week

Why shouldn't we discuss what will be a major story in the coming newscycles? The contents of the book and the nature of the attacks on our Democratic former-President, are, in my opinion, worth discussing.

Within the nature of the public reception of the book are expressed many things. It should be deconstructed and digested.

Oh, and the number of threads? You might as well try to stop the sea from coming to shore....

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. amen on your first point

:hi:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. The only thing I will say at the risk of repeating myself

Is that if Clinton campaigns for Kerry in the manner he did at the Democratic Unity dinner, then many many people will be inspired to vote for Kerry that might not have recognized his record of public service since they perceive Kerry as boring...Clinton ticked off Kerry's list of accomplishments that night with all the vigor of a southern preacher invoking salvation.

[hiphopnation]

4. this makes 7

hmmmmmmmmm

[King Of Paperboys]

6. If Big Dog had been ALLOWED to campaign for Gore...

We'd be cruising to re-election right now.

If embracing the Clintons is wrong, I don't wanna be RIGHT!

[Catherine Vincent]

10. "If embracing the Clinton's is wrong, I don't wanna be RIGHT!"

Amen, brother!:toast:

[SayitAintSo]

15. " If loving you (Big Dawg) is wrong, I don't wanna be right "....

LOL ....could be a song in that ... ;)

[cornermouse]

You can ignore what happened to Clinton, but

you better know that the same people will be after Candidate Kerry, and if he wins, President Kerry...

Also, if Kerry can't hold his own in the same room with Clinton, how can you expect him to beat Bush? Hmmm?

[lovedems]

7. My take on this is Clinton has sat back for the last 3 years while this

misadministration has blamed him for trashing the WH, 9-11, the recession and SO ON! He sat back and didn't say a word. Now is his time. Give him a couple of weeks.

[Kahuna]

39. I agree. Kerry isn't in the news anyway. How is Clinton hurting him?

He isn't. That just the typical media whore spin you can expect regarding all things Clinton.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. Paraphrasing - "In regards to the Presidency, John Kerry says

SEND ME!"--Thank you Bill Clinton!

[Hubert Flottz]

9. That's only his hammer sucking wind!

The Big Do(n)g wants back into the slimelight!

[Carolina]

47. sounds like a lotta flottz to me

Clinton is popular, will be popular and will be vindicated. Slimelight befits the rethuglicans woh did everything imaginable to destroy him politically and personally. They are slime and they wish they had his hammer!

[Hubert Flottz]

68. They paint everything and everybody with the same slimy brush,

that don't get with their greedy program! The best hammer the Pubbies can hang out there(Tom)is all slimy!(crude) They just can't get their political viscosity right when it comes to hammering out any real diplomatic solution, so they sling dirt and let Gawd sort it out! They just whine cause their Willies ain't as slick as ours are, when push comes to shove!

[Scairp]

11. Sorry, you're wrong

This publicity is A GOOD THING. Kerry will emerge and stay in focus as we get closer to the convention. He needs all the big name Dems he can get to stump for him, and no one is bigger than the Big Dog.

[madfloridian]

12. His support for the war bothers me. A website kept track of bombings.

Does anyone still have a link to that website?

Didn't he praise Bush for invading Iraq and act supportive?

He keeps agreeing there were weapons there, but he never seems to take it a step further and say we had the country contained.....that the weapons were most likely already destroyed and we had them contained with the bombings.

Does anyone remember a website that kept track of all the bombings in Iraq through the years? We had devastated that country!!

[charlie]

13. I've had my fill of Clintonia too

But I've gotta say, this couldn't have been more fortuitously timed. It's been like a breath mint, cleansing the air a bit of the awful stink of Reagan worship.

[merh]

14. I'm with you. If he were honest and not politically correct, that would

be one thing. But please, it ain't gonna happen because once a politician, always a politician.

He is not running for office, Kerry is, so get out of the way and shut up.

Always a tadpole, muddying the water.

[Carolina]

48. he can only help Kerry

and Kerry needs all the help he can get. A lot of Dems aren't even sold on Kerry; they're behind him solely because they loathe Bush. So Kerry can use every surrogate out there drawing attention to Dems and talking up what a difference a Dem makes.

Tadpole? I think not try the BIG FROG zapping the repuke bugs with a silver tongue!

[GOPFighter]

16. I'm torn...

He was a masterful politician during his 8 years in office. He was too middle-of-the-road for my tastes, but that was the mood of the country. I don't entirely trust him now, he seems too self-centered and too wedded to the DLC for me to entirely trust him to do what's right for the American people, but the more publicity he receives, the stupider Bush appears, so that's good.

[newsguyatl]

17. excellent post, as usual kentuck

[gulliver]

18. Hear, hear!

Personally, I wish Clinton would either find a way to fix what he broke or just STFU. Clinton gave Junior the White House. He'll be off my sh*t list when he does something to help us get it back.

[orthogonal]

21. Clinton gave Junior the White House.

Clinton gave Junior the White House.

Glad to see I'm not alone here in thinking this.

I think many Americans were willing to give Dubya a chance precisely because his fractured speech and ostentatious faith seemed a welcome contrast to Clinton's silver tongue and slippery relativism ("it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is").

[jus_the_facts]

22. you're WRONG there.....the SCOTUS gave him to us....

....not CLINTON! :eyes:

[gulliver]

23. No Monica, no Junior

Clinton did a breathtakingly evil thing there. He was surrounded by slobbering cannibals and greedheads, and he decided to ring the dinner bell.

[jus_the_facts]

24. The election in 2000 was GIVEN AWAY by the SCOTUS.....

....there's where the BLAME should be placed instead of BASHING about a BLOWJOB that we should have NEVER EVEN KNOWN ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE. :eyes:

[gulliver]

26. In a better world, that's right.

But we are living in a world cursed by psycho-sexual basket cases, drooling, chinless racists, prigs, and greed-saturated pigs.

The SCOTUS was the proximate cause of Junior's reign, and they definitely did the wrong thing. As Bugliosi said, the SCOTUS justices who voted 5-4 to give the election to Bush are literally "traitors" to their bench and the country.

But Clinton knew the lay of the land. He knew that if the orcs found about about his Monica thing, it would be enough to capsize the Dems. And he did it anyway.

Did it teach us not to make much ado about nothing? No. It hurt every good cause Clinton stood for, and there was nothing positive that resulted from it.

[jus_the_facts]

31. THE infamous *cum stained dress*...is the cause of ALL the worlds ills...

:nopity:

[gulliver]

37. The butterfly effect ... or maybe just the fly effect.

:-)

Strange but true. A massive amount of the worlds ills can be attributed to one BJ. But that shouldn't surprise us. (It's surprising to me that people find it surprising.)

Imagine that there was a sperm with a scruples gene right behind the sperm that fertilized George W. Bush's egg. The world would be a lot happier place.

Instead of W., a child with scruples would have been born into the Bush household. He (or she) would have been a good example to Jeb and Neil, his (or her) younger brothers. They would all three have ended up powerless (albeit non-evil) independents or Democrats like Reagan's kids.

[jus_the_facts]

38. AMAZING anyone could believe such utter BULLSHIT......

....sorry but saving a cum stained dress was obviously a SET UP from the GET GO...regardless of any momentary lapse in judgement on the part o'the CLENIS...so go ahead and keep on believing that any o' world's ills are all IT'S fault...I choose not to bury my head in that stinkin' pile o'complete BULLSHIT. :freak:

Peace.

[charlie]

41. Pshaw

Clinton's sole ambition since he was a boy was to be President. And that dream was almost thwarted before he attained it by stories of his sexual dalliances. He had to marshal a preemptive mea culpa, and depend on the support of his long-suffering wife to see it through. Monica's dress may have been a setup, but it was one he was stupid enough to walk into. There's no chance that you can make an argument that he wasn't aware of the danger to himself and the nation for indulging his weakness for extracurricular boinking. It was political dumbassery of the highest order.

[Carolina]

50. WTF

are you sure your name isn't gullible? You think fellatio is breathtakingly evil? You think Clinton was surrounded by slobbering cannibals and greedheads? Well, what the fuck is Bush guilty of?

And as for No Monica, No Jr... Boy are you wrong. Clinton left office with higher approval ratings than St. Reagan, Monica not withstanding;, and if he could have run again in 2000, he'd have whipped Bushboy's butt.

[Blue_Roses]

69. wow-never heard it quite

put that way:

He was surrounded by slobbering cannibals and greedheads, and he decided to ring the dinner bell.

but it's so true. I've heard so many times, "how could Clinton, who is so intelligent, be so stupid to give the GOP what they wanted."

[Carolina]

49. oh puhleeze

Clinton didn't give Bush the White House, Gore's fucked-up campaign in which he ran away from Clinton made it close enough for the repuke court to appoint Bush.

Without Clinton, BTW, we'd have had 2 terms of Poppy and endless repuke administrations which is what they feel they're entitled to anyway. Clinton gave us a hiatus and if not for that 22nd amendment, he'd have won in 2000!

[Bake]

66. THANK YOU!

There's plenty of Clinton-bashing without it going on here! It was indeed Gore's fucked up campaign that gave us Junior! If Gore hadn't run from the Big Dog and instead had actually used him in the campaign, maybe taken some ADVICE from him, etc., he'd be in the White House today!

Breathtaking EVIL??? A blow job??? HARDLY! Bad move politically? Sure. But EVIL??? EVIL??? You want to see evil, look at the current resident of the White House! To compare the two, THAT'S what's pretty breathtaking -- breathtakingly STUPID.

Bake

[jus_the_facts]

19. PULEEEZE....the RAYGASM completely covered this board.......

....with it's redundant vomitous spew when there was much more important things goin' on.......get over it. :eyes:

[orthogonal]

20. Comparing Clinton to Kerry

Well put, and thank you.

Even if you consider the Clinton years "the good old days", basking in nostalgia for him only serves to reinforce the idea that Kerry doesn't live up to your "Big Dawg".

And please understand that the fight against Bush, to succeed, must include lots of people (myself included) who were never fans of Clinton. Interpreting the race in '04 as a vindication of Clinton only serves to alienate those fellow travelers.

John Kerry volunteered for, fought courageously in, and earned his decorations in Vietnam while Bill Clinton was revealing his ability to avoid responsibility by making fine distinctions in language in his letter to Col. Holmes repudiating his promise to join the ROTC: "because I didn't see, in the end, how my going in the Army and maybe going to Vietnam would achieve anything except a feeling that I had punished myself and gotten what I deserved."

(Contrast with Dick Cheney's "other priorities". Contrast with the men who did go to Vietnam and "achieved" death or mutilation in service to their country.)

John Kerry can home from Vietnam with his decorations for valour, and used them to "speak truth to power" about the terrible human costs of that ill-conceived and incompetently executed non-declared war. Bill Clinton went into Arkansas politics and gave speeches praising arch-segregationist Orval Faubus as late as 1979.

I can go on, but Clinton's hagiographers will already be calling me part of the "Great Right Wing Conspiracy", so I'll only make one more comparison: Bill Clinton is our disappointing past, John Kerry our hopeful future.

[sampsonblk]

27. John Kerry is no Bill Clinton

If Clinton were running, this thing would be over already, and we'd be talking about which liberals were going to be on the bench soon.

[Carolina]

53. yeah, yeah, yeah

and John Kerry has let the repukes question and challenge his service as well as what he may or may not have done with his medals or ribbons or both ...

This is war now and Kerry needs all the help he can get. He benefits from the story of what the repukes DID to Clinton (and I'm not talking about Monica), of their efforts to distort, distract, destroy his campaign, his victory, his legislative efforts, his very person. People need to hear it, need to be reminded of it because the GOP is now and will continue to wage an all out vilification campaign against Kerry.

Bill Clinton is not our disappointing past and I hold out little hope about what John Kerry can do without the aid of every surrogate Democrat, especially one as popular and silver-tongued as BC, reminding voters of what a difference a Dem in the White House can make.

[orthogonal]

59. Clinton's a turn-off to swing voters

Bill Clinton is not our disappointing past and I hold out little hope about what John Kerry can do without the aid of every surrogate Democrat, especially one as popular and silver-tongued as BC, reminding voters of what a difference a Dem in the White House can make.

I don't think Democrats need reminding; we're remarkably united behind a single issue, getting Dubya out of office.

On the other hand, Clinton will remind swing voters of the ethical problems that hung over all eight years of his Presidency. The one big thing Bush has going for him is his claim of personal faith and probity.

That's why Bush beat Clinton's Vice President in 2000. (Sure, Gore won the popular vote, and Florida was too close to call -- but a two-term president's Veep should have done much better.)

Sure, have Clinton whoop up the base. But let's not tie him like an albatross around John Kerry's neck.

[Misunderestimator]

25. LOL... I think I'm gonna start a new Reagan thread...

:bounce:

[Pepperbelly]

28. relax ... it's mid-June, the convention is late July ...

This could be a tough time for Kerry now as the doldrums approach. There is nothing wrong with a reminder of happier days when jobs were plentiful, wages up, stock market up, optimism abounding and our biggest problem was a hummer.

And not the kind you drive!

[mmonk]

29. Amen kentuck

[sendero]

30. I have to agree....

... especially when he makes ridiculous comments supporting Bush* in his crazy war. Triangulate somewhere else Bill.

[kentuck]

32. I have been wrong before and perhaps I am again but....

We have Bush and Cheney going head to head with the establishment media about who is telling the truth about the Saddam/alQaeda connection, the Repubs are down in the polls, Bush's war in Iraq is nearing a possible disaster, and the Democratic Convention is next month, as well as Kerry choosing a VP candidate. I do not wish to see any of these stories over-shadowed by the Big Dawg. I understand that he is on a book tour and we understand the interviews etc, that are involved in those types of big promotions. However, I'm hoping the Bill Clinton stories do not make all these important stories disappear and at the same time, give the opposition a reason to unite again, simply because they hate Bill Clinton so. I'm hoping it does not last much longer. Those are my concerns.

[Raven]

33. Right on!

He has had his time...he should have the grace to be quiet. I loved the guy but I won't spend 30+ $ to read his book. The excerpts so far tell me that he had no great thoughts...just alot of self indulgent bs. We all watched MLK's speech and cried and vowed to change the world. He had the chance and his lack of self control limited what he was able to do. We all loved JFK and he had the chance to carry on that legacy and his lack of self control limited what he was able to do. I love Bill Clinton but I am really getting sick of him grabbing the spotlight at the very wrong time. He should shut up and do something substantive for people like Jimmy Carter has done...and maybe let his wife carry on.

[Tellurian]

34. Comparisons serve no purpose except to distract from the prize...

getting Kerry elected!

Clinton is the strongest ally, we could possibly have, to see to it Kerry is elected. He knows the RWers inside and out and can run circles around their political analysts in his sleep.

Clinton has made his book tour an annex for another Kerry platform. He has created an opportunity to meet people F2F (discrediting the republican party for what they are through his book), while promoting Kerry as their best choice to straighten out the mess Bush and his party have made of Iraq and our country.

The Clinton/Kerry/VP team is a Win/Win situation for all of US..

[Carolina]

54. touche, Tellurian!

You are sooo right

[Selwynn]

35. I don't idolize Clinton in the slightest.

[Tellurian]

36. I don't idolize him either, but I have the ability to recognize talent ...

when I see it.

Clinton is a smart, savvy, talented politician.

He's proven it over and over, time and time again.

Clinton has the ability to tell the Republicans

to go to HELL, and have them looking forward to the trip!

[thebigmansentme]

40. what do you mean 'sucking up oxygen' ?

[kaitykaity]

42. I'd rather have Clintonmania than Raygunmania any day.

They got a week of idolizing their hero. I think we
deserve at least a week of idolizing ours.

I also think Clinton will help Kerry, not hurt him.
Clinton embraces Kerry and says Kerry will be a good
president, Kerry continues to raise $1 million every
day, and the right wingers have to deal with attacking
Clinton, so Kerry escapes having to deal with the right
wing attack machine a little while linger.

All positives, IMHO.

[Tellurian]

43. absolutely!

and the irony with Reagan is, the Reagans refuse
to be used as sloganeers for the Bush campaign.

[kaitykaity]

44. Yeah they stepped in it when they used their former

president as a campaign tool. It sure opened the door
for Clinton to play a more active role in Kerry's
campaign.

I think the irony here is just delicious.

[Carolina]

55. yep, kk, the irony here is absolutely delicious

[westsidexview]

45. clinton cravings are due to bush's political menu

i think a lot of people cannot shallow what bush is offering the public. people want a political icon to give them the warm fuzzies and clinton does this. bush is making clinton look damn good.

[Carolina]

46. then take a DU break ...

Frankly after the Reagasm of last week, I'm reveling in the all Clinton, all the time shift. Makes a lot of people remember how much better things were, forces them to see the striking contrast between the life under Clinton and BushCo world.

No one is sacrificing any hard word by talking about Clinton or giving him his due. And as for losing the House and Senate, review history. That was because OUR side did not get out and vote in 1994. The angry white male spurred by Rush and his clones (with no countervailing liberal media thanks to Reagan whose FCC chair gutted the Fairness Doctrine ... David Brock's book is a must read on this), voted in droves. But turnout that year was less than 39%!

As a result of our complacency because of our 1992 White House and Congressional victories, WE lost and have been on the defensive ever since. Thank goodness we had Bill to stave off the hordes at the gate until 2001.

[Tellurian]

51. Bush made a curious remark at the portrait dedication..

Although Bush seemed to be cordial and generous with his complimentary remarks when referring to the Clinton presidency. He said, almost incredulously, Clinton "liked" being president..almost half choking on the words as he said them. This led me to believe Bush thinks the presidency is too much work, requiring too much thought, and personal use of his time.

He seemed to subtly resent the responsibility and dedication required when one undertakes to be the president of the most powerful nation in the World. It gave me pause, when he sounded like an ungrateful child. I hope others picked up on that at well.

[DainBramaged]

52. OK, you don't want to 'hear' about him

How about seeing him.

[Carolina]

56. I'm lovin' it

:kick:

[Carolina]

57. then why 'd you start another Clinton thread?

:shrug: :eyes:

[Hippo_Tron]

58. Better than the VP threads, that's for sure (n/t)

[lancdem]

60. Kerry will benefit from this

Some people seem to be forgetting that all the focus on Lewinsky is giving Clinton the chance to kick Ken Starr's ass and remind the country why they most of them disagreed with impeachment.

[wyldwolf]

61. Kentuck, If you and I could speak for everyone on DU, I would make a deal

...with you.

At least until the election: No pro-Clinton threads if the other side gives up anti-Clinton threads.

Honestly, I get weary defending him and reposting the same economic accomplishments over and over to those who either just don't believe them or wishes they weren't so.

[Piperay]

62. and so...

you started yet another one. :shrug:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

63. How right you are. The "big dog" was more like a miniature poodle.

I find it hard to believe how many alleged liberals here idolize the guy who gave the party to the DLC.

[AnnitaR]

64. Woof!

Big Dawg can't help it if he still has "it"!

[TheWizardOfMudd]

65. "He is even sucking the oxygen out of DU also? What else?

If Clinton is "even" sucking the oxygen out of DU, he must be sucking the oxygen out of many things. What else is he sucking oxygen out of? Please provide a list.

Thanks

[Tellurian]

67. I slipped up yesterday. I put on my Wellies and slogged over to FR

just to read their feed back on WJC's interview...

Ewww...what a surprise! The jabberwokys cannibalized Rather instead.

He shushed them up by telling them they wouldn't have been happy
unless he hit Bill over the head with an anvil. Like the hunters do clubbing baby seals. It worked!

By Bill spending so much time talking about Monica..There was
hardly a whisper poking fun at him. So, I guess he did the
right thing by owning up to his mistake in front of the world- AGAIN!

Took the wind right out of their sails and forced them
to swallow their bile hard.