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thebigmansentme Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:15 PM
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Poll question: who is your ideal candidate
Edited on Sat Jun-19-04 06:08 PM by thebigmansentme
who would you like to see in charge
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:17 PM
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1. You don't have Richard Nixon on the ballot ?????? darn
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thebigmansentme Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:18 PM
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2. also
here is a fun quiz to take

http://www.selectsmart.com/president/
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thebigmansentme Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:20 PM
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3. well
so far kerry is winning. isn't that surprising? i guess a lot of people actually like the guy, contrary to popular wisdom....
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thebigmansentme Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:24 PM
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6. ..
1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%) Click here for info
2. Nader, Ralph - Independent (88%) Click here for info
3. Green Party Candidate (88%) Click here for info
4. Socialist Candidate (84%) Click here for info
5. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (80%) Click here for info
6. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (78%) Click here for info
7. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (76%) Click here for info
8. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (70%) Click here for info
9. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (69%) Click here for info
10. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (63%) Click here for info
11. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (62%) Click here for info
12. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (60%) Click here for info
13. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (52%) Click here for info
14. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (42%) Click here for info
15. Libertarian Candidate (34%) Click here for info
16. Bush, President George W. - Republican (16%) Click here for info
17. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (14%) Click here for info
18. Constitution Party Candidate (14%) Click here for info
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thebigmansentme Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:27 PM
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8. damn
i wonder where do i agree with bush that constitutes 16% ?....
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:30 PM
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9. I hate to be rude....
But is that why you have jackass as your Sig?

I don't understand why you don't have Lenin, Mugabe, Stalin, Mao, Che and the junkie guy who sells friendship bracelets to teenage girls on the list.

I's sooner burn my mailbox to the ground than vote Lieberman ;)
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thebigmansentme Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:32 PM
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10. huh
what the fuck are talking about

take the quiz
http://www.selectsmart.com/PRESIDENT/president.php
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 06:57 PM
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20. I couldn't get past this question:
It is appropriate for the US to take unilateral military action against enemy nations--for example Iraq.

I do believe it can be appropriate for the US to take unilateral military action -- but not in the case of Iraq.

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69KV Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:36 PM
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28. interesting
1. Your ideal theoretical candidate.
2. Socialist Candidate
3. Nader, Ralph - Independent
4. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat
5. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat
6. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat
7. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat
8. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat
9. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat
10. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat
11. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat
12. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat
13. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat
14. Libertarian Candidate
15. Bush, President George W. - Republican
16. Constitution Party Candidate

What's the point of them including "your ideal theoretical candidate" ??
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Lestat Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:20 PM
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4. Kerry.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:21 PM
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5. If we clone Bill Clinton, can his clone run? :) or would that be. . .
Edited on Sat Jun-19-04 05:21 PM by ET Awful
barred by the Constitution?

j/k, I voted for Kerry :)
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:25 PM
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7. Actually - by law I think that would be Clinton v.2
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:43 PM
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11. Why are there no pro-gun lefties?
Edited on Sat Jun-19-04 06:00 PM by DaveSZ
1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%) Click here for info
2. Nader, Ralph - Independent (84%) Click here for info
3. Green Party Candidate (84%) Click here for info
4. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (82%) Click here for info
5. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (77%) Click here for info
6. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (73%) Click here for info
7. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (72%) Click here for info
8. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (71%) Click here for info
9. Socialist Candidate (69%) Click here for info
10. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (67%) Click here for info
11. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (66%) Click here for info
12. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (66%) Click here for info
13. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (46%) Click here for info
14. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (45%) Click here for info
15. Libertarian Candidate (32%) Click here for info
16. Constitution Party Candidate (23%) Click here for info
17. Bush, President George W. - Republican (18%) Click here for info
18. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (17%) Click here for info



I agree with most of Nader's positions on domestic and economic policy, but I wouldn't want him in charge of defense. That's why I backed Clark in the primaries.

I know Nader has zero chance as well.

I'm quite happy with Kerry, but question his stance on trade somewhat.

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thebigmansentme Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:48 PM
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13. oh
i know why i got 16% for bush.

i am mostly pro-gun as well.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:46 PM
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12. ME!
I aggree with me 100% of the time. I know I'll never betray me. I know that I'll never sign legislation that will harm me. And I know that I always want what's best for me.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:49 PM
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14. Dean is pro-gun too mostly
:)
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:52 PM
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15. The Constitution Party Guy is a nutcase, but Bush mostly believes the same
Edited on Sat Jun-19-04 05:53 PM by DaveSZ

UPDATE: Maryland attorney Michael Peroutka is currently the party's designated "provisional" Presidential candidate for 2004. Party founder and three-time Presidential nominee Howard Phillips has already endorsed Peroutka for the nomination. He has a long record of conservative activism, particularly on behalf of the pro-life and pro-gun causes. Peroutka's strong Christian beliefs also influence his political views. He advocates the view that the Constitution is founded on the Bible and it can't be sustained without a biblically-grounded judiciary.
Howard Phillips, Constitution Party "In 1999, at its national nominating convention for the 2000 elections, convention delegates chose to change the party name to "Constitution Party" believing that the new name better reflected the Party’s primary policy approach of enforcing the U.S. Constitution’s provisions and limitations. Also at that convention, Howard Phillips was elected to be the party’s presidential nominee for the 2000 elections. In the 2000 elections, the Constitution Party achieved full presidential ballot access in 41 states and qualified write-in candidate status in 6 others. This made for a total of 48 states where people were able to to cast their votes for Constitution Party candidates."

Taxes & Spending: "Eliminate income tax, corporate tax, & estate tax. (Jan 1996) We will propose legislation to abolish the Internal Revenue Service, and will veto any authorization, appropriation, or continuing resolution which contains any funding whatsoever for that illicit and unconstitutional agency. We are opposed to the flat-rate tax proposals that are being promoted as an improvement to the current tax system. The Sixteenth Amendment does not provide authority for an unapportioned direct tax."
"Moreover, it is our intention to replace entirely the current tax system of the U.S. government (including income taxes, Social Security taxes, estate taxes, and inheritance taxes)."
"It’s time to insist on a Constitutional budget, coupled with the elimination of the income tax, the corporate tax, the estate tax, and all taxes which unfairly and improperly enable Federal bureaucrats to invade our privacy, regulate our conduct, or steal from us the savings and earnings to which we and our families are entitled, and on which civil government has no legitimate claim."


Social Services Funding: "As we abolish domestic and foreign welfare, the wealth and well-being of every working American family will be expanded by the complete elimination of the income tax and other direct Federal taxes.
"The message of Christian charity is fundamentally at odds with the concept of welfare maintenance as a right. In many cases, welfare provisions by the Federal government are not only misdirected, but morally destructive. It is the intended purpose of civil government to safeguard life, liberty and property — not to redistribute wealth. Such redistribution is contrary to the Biblical command against theft."
"We encourage individuals and families to fulfill their personal responsibility to help those in need through tithes, offerings, and other acts of charity."
"The nation’s churches and synagogues should manifest their faith by operating effective programs to assist those who are in need."
Welfare: "Charity, and provision of welfare to those in need, is not a Constitutional responsibility of the federal government. Under no circumstances should the taxpayers of the United States be obligated, under penalty of law through forced taxation, to assume the cost of providing welfare for other citizens."

Security & Terrorism: Howard Phillips: "There is no war on terrorism. Congress has not declared any such war. With those words, a three-time presidential hopeful (Phillips) told a weekend seminar sponsored by Accuracy in Academia that President Bush should not go to war with Iraq without the constitutional blessing of a formal declaration of war. Source: NewsMax.com

Foreign Affairs: "The only Constitutional purpose and basis of foreign policy is to serve the best interests of the U.S., not to police the world.

Education: "Education should be free from all federal government subsidies, including vouchers, tax incentives, and loans, except with respect to veterans.
"Because the federal government has absolutely no jurisdiction concerning the education of our children, the United States Department of Education should be abolished; all federal legislation related to education should be repealed."

Healthcare: "The Constitution Party opposes the governmentalization and bureaucratization of American medicine. Government regulation and subsidy constitutes a threat to both the quality and availability of patient-oriented health care and treatment."

Social Security:" The Social Security trust should not be a "rainy day" fund which politicians can pirate, or from which they can borrow to cover their errors and pay for their excesses."
"Social Security will be privatized, with beneficiaries receiving all the money they have been promised. ...we believe an individual who has contributed to Social Security be allowed to withdraw contributed funds and transfer them to an IRA or similar investment under his control."

Illicit Drugs: Evidentally, the Party sees this a non-federal issue, leaving penalties to the states to decide. "The Constitution Party will uphold the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs and to enforce such restrictions in appropriate cases with application of the death penalty."

Gun Policy: "The Constitution Party upholds the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. We oppose attempts to prohibit ownership of guns by law-abiding citizens, and stand against all laws which would require the registration of guns or ammunition.

Abortion Policy: "The pre-born child, whose life begins at fertilization, is a human being created in God’s image. The first duty of the law is to prevent the shedding of innocent blood. It is, therefore, the duty of all civil governments to secure and to safeguard the lives of the pre-born."

Environmental Policy: "We call for repeal of federal wetlands legislation and the federal Endangered Species Act. Moreover, we oppose any attempt to designate private or public property as United Nations World Heritage sites or Biosphere reserves. We call for an end to United States participation in UN programs such as UNESCO, Man and the Biosphere, and the UN Council on Sustainable Development. We oppose environmental treaties and conventions such as the Biodiversity Treaty, the Convention on Climate Control, and Agenda 21, which destroy our sovereignty and right to private property."

Minority Issues: "The federal government should discontinue affirmative action programs.

Civil Liberties: In response to a group's efforts to hold a Pro- Life meeting, a Constitution Party of New York official said, "This is not the American way; it directly violates the right of free speech and is a denial of civil rights."
When asked if the Constitution Party would hold the same view if access was denied to pro-abortion groups, the official stated, "While our party is completely 100 percent pro-life, the issue here is not about abortion, it is about adhering to the Constitution...So my answer is Yes, I would support their use of the building."
Regarding drug law arrests, the 2000 Constitution Party platform states, "...we will take care to prevent violations of the Constitutional and civil rights of American citizens. Searches without probable cause and seizures without due process must be prohibited, and the presumption of innocence must be preserved."


Bush has already repealed the Endangered Species Act.
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alejandrofromcuba Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 06:04 PM
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16. Al Gore
why no support for Gore? The winner last time. Hard to imagine that everyone has forgotten him already....
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 06:06 PM
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17. Clark is the man
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 06:14 PM
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18. Kerry could steal some of Nader's positions:
Ex-felons' Voting Rights: "Restore the voting rights of people who are in prison or on parole. The stripping of voting rights of convicted felons, many of them drug war victims, has eliminated the voting rights of 1 out of 6 African American males. Loss of voting rights is no deterrent to crime, but it is a deterrent to rehabilitation. "


Trade: Ralph Nader said, "Millions of manufacturing jobs in this country have been shipped overseas. This transfer was supposed to be part of the "win-win" process of free trade. But 27 straight years of growing trade deficits makes one wonder: who's winning?"

Illicit Drugs: "Decriminalize possession of drugs. Regulate and tax drug distribution. Release nonviolent drug war prisoners. Treat drug abuse as a health problem, not a criminal problem. Drug abuse treatment on demand."
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 06:26 PM
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19. this is interesting
1.  Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%)  Click here for info
2.  Nader, Ralph - Independent   (89%)  Click here for info
3.  Green Party Candidate   (89%)  Click here for info
4.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (83%)  Click here for info
5.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (81%)  Click here for info
6.  Socialist Candidate   (80%)  Click here for info
7.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (80%)  Click here for info
8.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (74%)  Click here for info
9.  Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat   (73%)  Click here for info
10.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (71%)  Click here for info
11.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (68%)  Click here for info
12.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (64%)  Click here for info
13.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (47%)  Click here for info
14.  LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (45%)  Click here for info
15.  Libertarian Candidate   (32%)  Click here for info
16.  Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law   (12%)  Click here for info
17.  Constitution Party Candidate   (9%)  Click here for info
18.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (8%)

I am actually quite comfortable with voting for any of the candidates above 65% -- at least I know that I am informed enough about the candidates to vote the way I feel.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 07:36 PM
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21. More Green than Red - to my surprise.
1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%)
2. Green Party Candidate (99%)
3. Nader, Ralph - Independent (94%)
4. Socialist Candidate (83%)
5. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (81%)
6. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (79%)
7. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (78%)
8. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (76%)
9. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (76%)
10. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (72%)
11. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (69%)
12. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (65%)
13. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (39%)
14. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (39%)
15. Libertarian Candidate (21%)
16. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (10%)
17. Constitution Party Candidate (10%)
18. Bush, President George W. - Republican (9%)

I thought sure that Socialist would top the list since I am one. I guess I'm mellowing with age.


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thebigmansentme Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 08:16 PM
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22. i am surprised
that nobody seems to care for nader on this board. i would have thought otherwise.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 08:50 PM
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23. Green/Socialist/Dennis
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 09:55 PM
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24. Holy Zeus! I'm Almost a (Gasp) Socialist
But I'll happily settle for 75% and my supposed 9th place, although I declared JK my (1st) choice from Day 1. But, further giving Purists cardiac spasms, we know that "issues" don't matter to the enemy we're up against.

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%)
2. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (90%)
3. Nader, Ralph - Independent (90%)
4. Green Party Candidate (90%)
5. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat
6. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (82%)
7. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (80%)
8. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (79%)
9. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (75%)
10. Socialist Candidate (71%)
11. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (71%)
12. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (64%)
13. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (50%)
14. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (46%)
15. Libertarian Candidate (33%)
16. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (18%)
17. Bush, President George W. - Republican (10%)
18. Constitution Party Candidate (9%)
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 10:05 PM
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25. my heart is still with the doctor!
he woke many people up.
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thebigmansentme Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 10:24 PM
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26. but then
lieberman puts you to sleep !!!
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 10:37 PM
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27. None of these people will nuke Mexico
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:02 AM
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29. I voted Clark

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%) Click here for info
2. Nader, Ralph - Independent (87%) Click here for info
3. Green Party Candidate (87%) Click here for info
4. Socialist Candidate (82%) Click here for info
5. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (80%) Click here for info
6. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (80%) Click here for info
7. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (79%) Click here for info
8. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (78%) Click here for info
9. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (77%) Click here for info
10. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (76%) Click here for info
11. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (75%) Click here for info
12. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (72%) Click here for info
13. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (53%) Click here for info
14. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (40%) Click here for info
15. Libertarian Candidate (26%) Click here for info
16. Bush, President George W. - Republican (22%) Click here for info
17. Constitution Party Candidate (10%) Click here for info
18. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (9%) Click here for info
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