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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:07 PM
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Right Wing Bullshit Alert: "WHAT connection between Saddam and 9/11?"
I know, I know, "Right Wing" and "bullshit" are overlapping terms. Nevertheless, their latest spin is: "We never said that!!!!"

Apologies for the lengthy post, but this clearly illustrates how the right wing is spinning the 9/11 Commission's findings. Of course, the RWs party line right now, from Rush to the undisclosed-location "Prime Minister" Cheney: "Connection between Saddam and 9/11? We never said that -- blame the (liberal) media!!!"

But according to Wes Clark (a trustworthy source if there ever was one), and CBS News, the White House did indeed push the connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11. Rummy was planning to attack Iraq only 5 hours after AA Flight 77 struck the Pentagon.

This blatant attempt at dodging and spinning needs to be hammered down, and hard.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233810/
Updated: 11:31 a.m. ET June 18, 2004
Cheney blames media for blurring Saddam, 9/11
'We have never been able to prove that there was a connection,' VP says
WASHINGTON - Blaming what he called "lazy" reporters for blurring the distinction, Vice President Dick Cheney said that while "overwhelming" evidence shows a past relationship between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, the Bush administration never accused Saddam of helping with the Sept. 11 attacks.
<snip>
But Cheney declined to disagree outright with the report's conclusion that no evidence exists to connect Saddam to Sept. 11 — saying instead that, "I disagree with the way their findings have been portrayed. There has been enormous confusion."
Reiterating the distinction between contacts and actual collaboration on the Sept. 11 attacks, Cheney said some news media had blurred that distinction and reported the administration was directly tying the attacks to Saddam.

"The press is, with all due respect there are exceptions, often times lazy, often simply reports what someone else in the press says without doing their homework," Cheney said.
<snip>

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_061704/content/rush_on_a_roll.guest.html

Democrats Will Attempt Impeachment in Bush's 2nd Term
June 17, 2004
<snip>
...Bush has never, ever, nor has Cheney, ever linked 9/11 to Iraq and Al-Qaeda. There are countless bits of evidence of connections between Iraq and Al-Qaeda. But nobody's ever said there was about 9/11, not in the administration. There has been no misleading. There has been no lying. There has been no false assumption...{If you believe this} I think you're a student of the mainstream press, and they are making things up about this...
<snip>

NOW FOR SOME TRUTH:

http://www.fair.org/press-releases/clark-iraq.html

MEDIA ADVISORY:
Media Silent on Clark's 9/11 Comments:
Gen. says White House pushed Saddam link without evidence
<snip>
June 20, 2003 CLARK: "There was a concerted effort during the fall of 2001, starting immediately after 9/11, to pin 9/11 and the terrorism problem on Saddam Hussein."

RUSSERT: "By who? Who did that?"

CLARK: "Well, it came from the White House, it came from people around the White House. It came from all over. I got a call on 9/11. I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein.' I said, 'But--I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never got any evidence."
<snip>

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml
Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11
WASHINGTON, Sept. 4, 2002
CBS) CBS News has learned that barely five hours after American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was telling his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks.

That's according to notes taken by aides who were with Rumsfeld in the National Military Command Center on Sept. 11 – notes that show exactly where the road toward war with Iraq began, reports CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin.
<snip>
Now, nearly one year later, there is still very little evidence Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. But if these notes are accurate, that didn't matter to Rumsfeld.

"Go massive," the notes quote him as saying. "Sweep it all up. Things related and not."

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:12 PM
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1. And then there's the Richard Clarke's testimony, and the preambule
of the IWR for goodness sake! Every once in a while they say: "Who me? never said it". Then they turn around and say it again. Time and time again.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:15 PM
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2. Caught in a lie and cornered
not a pretty picture...
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:17 PM
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3. Prime Minister Cheney?
I prefer Plain Sinister Cheney.:evilgrin:
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Bullshot Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:20 PM
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4. Maybe Cheney's remark in which he calls the media "lazy"
Edited on Fri Jun-18-04 05:21 PM by Bullshot
will turn a bunch of them against him and launch a bunch of biting investigative reports on Cheney & Halliburton and other illegal and unethical deeds performed by the Bush administration.

I seemed to remember that Nixon's contempt toward the media was the catalyst which led to unending negative press on him which brought him down. He would actually take pot shots at members of the media during news conferences and you could feel the tension build between the two sides.

There's so much documentation in which Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, Rice and Bush explicitly stated there is a link, or made a strong, unmistakable implication there is a link between AQ and Saddam. The media should throw this back at Cheney in spades.

If I may digress--Cheney is increasingly becoming an albatross on the Bush campaign. I think he will not be on the ticket, but it will come in the form of him saying he underwent a medical examination and doctors stating that his heart condition will not allow him to run as VP, rather than booting him off the ticket with him kicking and screaming and embarrassing the campaign.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:48 PM
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13. You think it would incite them, but this may be the only thing I have
ever agreed on with cheney. Those lazy fucks should have exposed his ass years ago.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:21 PM
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5. I LOVE that cheney quote!!!
"The press is, with all due respect there are exceptions, often times lazy, often simply reports what someone else in the press says without doing their homework," Cheney said.
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:32 PM
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8. cheney should be happy the press just repeats information
without checking facts. Too bad they didn't check all the reasons for going to war.
Cheney has been given a free ride. Maybe now, the press is finally waking up. Look out Dick, they will be after you.
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:21 PM
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6. Note section 2 on this link
Edited on Fri Jun-18-04 05:31 PM by shylock1579
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:39 PM
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10. thanks, shylock
Wonder how long it will take for this letter to go down the memory hole. Kerry should use it in his ads.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:45 PM
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12. Thanks! I was looking for that!
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eileen from OH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:22 PM
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7. This is IDENTICAL
to the spin after David Kay said Iraq didn't have WMDs. Remember that? The constant refrain then was, "Well, we never said the Iraq danger was IMMINENT." And sure 'nuff, they didn't use that particular word - just images of mushroom clouds, and "clear and growing" etc., etc.,

And to think they lambasted Clinton for parsing "is".

Lyin' bastards.

eileen from OH
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:37 PM
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9. Cheney should be brought back to the 911 panel for questioning
If he is so sure that there is a link between al qaeda and saddam, why didn't he present all this "evidence" to the 911 panel when he had a chance?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:41 PM
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11. ok, so why did you drag us to war?
such BS. "The Terror war began on 9/11 and Iraq is part of the terror war. "

Except it didn't have ANYTHING TO DO with the terror attack. Oh, there were terrorists there. Now there's a lot more. Because we took away the forces that were keeping them out of the light. "Iraq and Al Qaeda are allies" (direct quote from Bush.) What a blatant obvious lie.

This is a slippery slope that I am getting a big kick out of watching those stuffed shirt a* holes trying to navigate themselves down. They are hilarious. Except that they act like we still ought to be kissin their asses. Not funny.

Slam those losers down. They are pathetic liars.

We aren't really going to stand for this, are we????!!!??
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